When are Skalds being nerfed?

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by old.Hienrich
Im a 2hand paladin(50 2hand 44slash)gimped maybe, but i have to say i have soled both deathwish and madeline(not at the sametime and deathwish was b4 patch aswell , and i have screenshots of me killing them to, but i do think skalds are a bit over powered, but later on everyone becomes equal(except us poor old pallys

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whats that.. smell? is that, bull shit??

hands up (even if you hate me) who thinks a paladin, a 2H paladin no less, could take on a skald, 1:1, when the skald has FULL power and all his shouts ready to go?

im sorry but thats really is utter utter bollocks. i have solo'd skalds before, but ONLY because they had just used they're shouts on someone else, so i've been able to get in there and own them before they're shouts recharge.

i've been killed by yellow con skalds before i even knew they were there before. there is NO chance in HELL that the worst class in rvr (paladin) could take on just about the best (skald).

either the skalds you fought had no mana, or they'd just used all they're shouts up.

 

[Seerkind]

LOL skalds are sooo overpowered and heros suck eh???
One sunny afternoon I get death message so and so killed by Bee in gorge, so I go out and look for him, WHAM mezzed, Bee beats me. So I release and think hmmm I wasnt to far off killing him, so I go back. Again WHAM mezz, but this time I won. Btw Karam, Bee was ORANGE con to me at the time, Maaan I didnt know how bad armsman must suck not being able to beat an even con Skald.
Hero > Skald
Skald>Karam
Karam = gimped armsman.

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Seerkind
LOL skalds are sooo overpowered and heros suck eh???
One sunny afternoon I get death message so and so killed by Bee in gorge, so I go out and look for him, WHAM mezzed, Bee beats me. So I release and think hmmm I wasnt to far off killing him, so I go back. Again WHAM mezz, but this time I won. Btw Karam, Bee was ORANGE con to me at the time, Maaan I didnt know how bad armsman must suck not being able to beat an even con Skald.
Hero > Skald
Skald>Karam
Karam = gimped armsman.

lmfao

ya.. hero with his bee sting celtic needle.

get real

 

[old.Cadwyr]

Rofl, Karam owned by a Skald.. U truly suck. I've fought several lev 50 skalds solo and never lost yet. Skalds very rarely attack equal level tanks in solo situations. Then again whoever it was obviously saw it was that message board gobshite Karam and could not resist. ROFL that's too funny.

 

[Seerkind]

I was actually 1 hand blunt/shield at the time

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by old.Cadwyr
Rofl, Karam owned by a Skald.. U truly suck. I've fought several lev 50 skalds solo and never lost yet. Skalds very rarely attack equal level tanks in solo situations. Then again whoever it was obviously saw it was that message board gobshite Karam and could not resist. ROFL that's too funny.

dear god lol you could not be more wrong.

skalds dont fight tanks 1:1 ????? have you met a skald before?

most tanks in alb that i know are scared to shit of them, infact every class type i know in albion is terrified of skalds 1 v 1. they're the most powerful rvr class in the game, and the only one that really gives me trouble 1 on 1.

IF skalds arent so fucking over powered, WHY are mythic nerfing them? answer that.

 

[Eleasias]

I saw Nova fighting Madeleine ... in the end Nova was at ~80% hp and Madeleine dead, go figure :/

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Karam_gruul

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they're the most powerful rvr class in the game, and the only one that really gives me trouble 1 on 1.
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Ahhh - I think we have come to the matter of the problem here

 

[Subbiz]

hey karam we cant help that u are a gimpsman ! =]

skalds owns j00

 

[Subbiz]

nerf heroes instead ok thx

 

[Cerverloc]

Hahahaha, nerf you all hahaha. And make armsmen uber

 

[old.LandShark]

karam's original post is bollocks.
The guy who said a minstrel is a stealthing skald - lol, get your head out of your arse and play a minstrel past lvl 5 before you come out with dogcrap like that

Karam: nerfing anything is bad. nerf nerfs. Nerf "nerf so-and-so" threads!
Don't nerf skalds
don't nerf minstrels
don't nerf clerics
oh look, few more patches and those last 2 will both get nerfed, haha.

this thread and any like it are a waste of everyone's time

edit:
Wanted to add the following:
a) Karam, hope you've read novamir's post a few times cos he's quite right...
b) Can everyone stop acting like duels are real RvR?

 

[old.¥ØÐÄ]

if i were to nerf a skald id take away his mezz/stun or what ever the fook it is and his speed ..

cos imo a TANK class which iswhat a skald is with mezz and speed song is bolox i dont mind the dd's or his dmge output although they do friggin hurt. but for me spd song and mezz is to much for a tank class to have , and you cant compare a skald to a minstral at all they totally different classes ,

 

[eös]

Originally posted by K0nah


Youve never killed me one on one - ever. Your welcome to try tho, anytime

The last one on one we had u ran off and got some mates to help u finish the job cos i was kicking ur arse.

hmm well you havent killed me since i was like lvl44, and since i solo for rvr who are all these mates i got to come finish you? you are hard for me to kill i will say that but i HAVE killed you at least 3 times 1on1 since making 50, the only melee classes i ever have trouble with 1on1 are armsmen and hero's...

 

[Gahldir]

Dear, oh dear. No hibby fears a skald I think. Maybe some, but surely not the tanks. at L49 I had the chance to fight Blupje. He coned orange wich means he was orange. I think he used 1h-hammer(blunt) and shield and I used a sword and a shield. tho I know slash sucks badly against chain I came out on top of the fight with a few hps.

Pls, Karam, next time youre in emain attack someother class that you can come back here and whine about it, cuz I thin it is sooo fun!!

and by the way, every thought that Heindrich might be a bit skilled? how perfect you now specc your character and how great it's adventages is against the other classes it still comes down to how good the person behind the character is to use the character.

but plz, don't take this lesson, they boards wouldn't be the same

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Scooby
You seem to be forgetting that you have healing, buffing thanes in the cleric, a stealthing skald in the minstrel and plate. please stop whining.

Have ever even seen a minstrel? Skald with stealth? I think not. Try having less hp, HUGELY less dmg (hits for 350? I'm lucky to hit for 100 on yellow cons! blah blah weapon speed and all but that's with a 3.5 speed jambaiya (my epic)), even given level difference that's a huge difference in damage. Plus they get a damage add, uhh?!
Not to mention minstrel stealth becomes useless effectively soon making us skalds with no damage, ooo I can't wait.

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by old.¥ØÐÄ
if i were to nerf a skald id take away his mezz/stun or what ever the fook it is and his speed ..

cos imo a TANK class which iswhat a skald is with mezz and speed song is bolox i dont mind the dd's or his dmge output although they do friggin hurt. but for me spd song and mezz is to much for a tank class to have , and you cant compare a skald to a minstral at all they totally different classes ,

And removed the speccing of shield for scout, cause they are archers and for archers to have shields is just plain ....

And remove smite from a cleric, because a cleric is a healer, and for a healer to have offensive powers is just ....

And remove the mess from a minstrel cause a stealthed mess. has killed me more times then I've fallen off a cliff and that is just plain .....

And remove the bow from the merc. because he is a tank, and taks shouldn't be allowed to use bows, cause they are tanks ...

(okay - I think you get the picture)

I am so tired of people compalining that this class and that class have killed me so many times in combat and bla bla bla. so they must be uberclasses.

Play the game and stop whining so damned much.

 

[Jimli]

Originally posted by old.m0000
look @ sig
k thx

a tank with shouts and insta-mez - which dev was on pot?

A skald a tank? My healer prefers warriors and thanes. Skalds are huge manadrainers in keeping them alive

 

[Release]

1. your lying, Skalds only have 2dds so how did he hit you 3times?
2. Skalds dont have more hps than a armmen (Skalds have same hps as Thanes and Rogues)
3. Skalds dont have more Str (unless like someone said before, your a Troll and therefore give up your quickness and dex for it)
4. Skalds do not have stun, they have 2dds, mes, snare


Compare a Skald to Albs match (Minstrel)


1. Minstrels get stealth
2. Minstrels get mes and stun + 2dds
3. Minstrels get evade II, Skalds get evade I
4. Minstrels get plate armour


Conclusion:- you dont like Skalds, get better spirit resist so mes duration is shortened, get body resist so there dd's dont hurt you as much. And pray that respec comes soon so you can spec Thrust. Dont come shouting Nerf this bla bla bla just cos you specced wrong and cant play the game with skill.

 

[Perplexed]

1v1 a smite cleric kicks a skald's ass every time, if he knows what he's doing

p.s. Minstrels don't get plate (I don't think..!!)

Thrust polearmsman should prolly be able to kill them too.. heros will win every time. A hero with slam and 44 in spear beats any tank 1v1

 

[Perplexed]

Gotta love this

Originally posted by Karam_gruul
IF skalds arent so fucking over powered, WHY are mythic nerfing them? answer that.

After he's just posted a thread with the title:

When are Skalds being nerfed?

what a kid

 

[Dherkova]

Compare a Skald to Albs match (Minstrel)
1. Minstrels get stealth
2. Minstrels get mes and stun + 2dds
3. Minstrels get evade II, Skalds get evade I
4. Minstrels get plate armour

I can start to say the differences between minstrels and skalds but i'm not goin to do it. Both classes are well balanced, 1 in front the other. Not going to talk how balanced they are in front other classes, cause u all will whine. But...
OMG can I use plate???!!!!
Ok, i go to camelot and buy some now

 

[herjulf]

Ridiculous!!!

NOT overpowered.

the comparison below is of minstrels and skalds. common template at lvl50 no magical items base skillpoints unspent.
and all skills to 50.

Base:
Norseman skald:
93/85/50/50/60/60/60/105

Higlander Minstrel:
85/70/73/50/60/60/60/105

conclusion of base:
Skald will get higher weapskill with base, but minstrels will be more likely to hit.

Abilities:

Skald has Parry/axe/sword/hammer, battlesongs, chain armour and evade 1
Minstrel has Stealth/slashing/thrusting, instruments, chain armour and Evade 2.

conclusion of abilities:

Skald has the privilege of having parry while leveling.
however the skill is utterly useless in RvR more or less.
While minstrel have the ability to stealth an Excellent scout also Evade 2.

Magical properties:

Skald:
has 2xDD (89 + 114 dmg) shouts , snare (101s) , mezz ( short duration max 29s 700 range ), health regen (12hp/tick), grp spd (204%), grp dmg (7.5dps), and 6 resist song all top at 20%.

Minstrel:
has 2xDD (92 + 114 dmg ) shouts , Confusion 100%|30% , mezz ( short duration max 29s 1000 range ), Stun (6s), health regen (11hp/tick), grp spd (204%), grp dmg (7.5dps), Power regen ( 6 sec pow ), Charm ( chant + 5 sec )

Information gotten from these sources:
http://daoc.catacombs.com/test_spell2.cfm?classname=Skald
http://daoc.catacombs.com/test_spell2.cfm?classname=Minstrel

Final conclusion these 2 classes compared tell me that MINSTREL is WAY overpowered compared to skald.
Omg, stealth stun long range mezz power regen + charm.
Same armour same con slightly less strenght.

However if we were to compare either of these classes versus most other warrior like class. We lack HP in comparison, Less protection (shields etc).
Some of these TANK classes even have a crossbow and another able to rezz and heal.

Well, let me tell u this. I have had to go for less protected targets with my skald. like Saracens or other not so strong classes when it comes to 1vs1.
I tried a joust with an armsman once yellow con to me, i would say +/- 1 lvl from me then i was lvl40.
And i lost horribly. what he didnt block i hit quite weak.
I was an easy prey, and what the heck i accept this.
However when i saw i was loosing i mezzed at 50%Hp and made a run for it.
Here cunning makes up for it.

Skalds are not uber.
even though mine is quite cool cough couch.

I use HEAVY 2-H, sync DMG song, DD1, DD2 and Special attack and try to mezz then w8 and try to do a follow through on DD, then follow through on specials.
This is prolly the main reason skald´s are feared because of that first lasting impression .
HP meter moves good when a 2-h weapon lands damage, and the 2xDD shouts.
But then the skald stands without DD for 20s and prolly has SLOW attack rate.
Should the skald MISS one hit omg, then it gets quite another story. my favourite axe has a 5.8 timer, = 11.6 seconds w8 if i miss.
That is alot of hits by one using faster weapons.
Remeber all that thin kthe speed is so UBER the instant i get engaged.
If a skald get shot by a sniper even if it is a miss he loose speed.
And will not regain speed until un engaged for about 10-15 seconds.
So skald has no use of the speed song in combat, only in initial attack to penetrate or catch up to a fleeing opponent.

All classes have alittle something that makes them a worthy opponent.
Problem is noone learns to use them.
Little kobolds whine over dying from snipers arrows on 1-2 hits, mages whine because of snipers.
Snipers whine because of skalds sniffing them out and then not having platemail and a UZI to fight the skald off.

Take the mages they have poor protection but deliver frightening damage.
Same as snipers, have the element of surprise and delievers HIGH damage.

OVERALL class balancing is considered.
shure some classes are stronger then others in someways. but those classes have other weakneses.
therefore other classes exist to balance out the others weaknesses.

Shure skald will prolly get nerfed, they will prolly give them cloth armour and restrain the class to kobold only.
and lower the DD shouts to 20damage a shout.
the snare will be inverted to target speed buff so that the targets will have easier to get away, and the mezz will be a to safety teleport that teleports the target to a safe studded area, where cold beverages is served to calm worried souls.
Group dmg song will give melee dmg penalties to all group members.

Well whatever, by then SHADOWBANE will have come and i couldnt care less.

Peace

Herjulf Hornbrytare Lvl46 skald

 

[old.Arya]

Karam, be proud I use dirty words... You are such an idiot, you really think you get any respect by typing BS big time on the forums ??? Telling us how much you own but doing BS and having not a fart worth of reputation ( besides being most ridiculous person playing this game ? )
You are the only person I .... /select Karam spam /laugh
when I see your corpse. But for some reason I never see your corpse anywhere (You camping greys in Yggdra ?)
You are most stupid person I ever met in online games, I could never ever imagine there are idiots like you out there.

P.S. SOZ for the stupid post but this idiot really makes me furious.

 

[old.Thufire]

herjulf

May i remind you that minstrels only have half weaponspec? Yes we got a lot of tools, but power drains FAST and damage output of a minstrel is by far the worst of ALL albion classes who can spec in weapons.
In the end skalds and minstrels are imho as balanced as they can get. Skalds will own minstrels in 1-1 but yet they cant solo as well as minstrels cuz off stealth.

Gwari, lvl 45+ minstrel

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by eös

hmm well you havent killed me since i was like lvl44, and since i solo for rvr who are all these mates i got to come finish you? you are hard for me to kill i will say that but i HAVE killed you at least 3 times 1on1 since making 50, the only melee classes i ever have trouble with 1on1 are armsmen and hero's...

Not ever one on one face to face stun - rest - finish skald style or any other way. Perhaps u thinking ur weapons do double dmg now and then when really its Nolbypride or Kull shooting me in the back. Youll just have to give me a reminder sometime, good luck

Oh and by "mates" i mean realm comrades who were 200m up the road, wether u were grpd with them or not is irrelevent. You ran to them for help. Or surely u woulda hogged all the rps for urself if u could have, right?

 

[eös]

yeah sure whatever... :sleeping:

 

[sorusi]

Skalds: Insta mess..
Minstrels: insta stunn 6sec, and castable mess for 3sec..

I just wanted to add this...


Oh yeah rofl @ this post

You guys really love to flame

 

[healer_mcheal]

LOL omg even my Warden (that people think r sucky in rvr cos there dmg output sucks) can beat most yellow con hitters,,, even some orange only hitters i cant handle are bloody deul weilders.. bubble dont stop that off hand

 

[Dherkova]

Minstrel:
has 2xDD (92 + 114 dmg ) shouts , Confusion 100%|30% , mezz ( short duration max 29s 1000 range ), Stun (6s), health regen (11hp/tick), grp spd (204%), grp dmg (7.5dps), Power regen ( 6 sec pow ), Charm ( chant + 5 sec )

grp dmg (7.5 dps), mmm.... NO