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Whats happening to our server guys..
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Kallahanden
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One of freddys beloved > Tight bastard ?
Kallahanden
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bahu and mvv knows
MadsKaizer
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so you all blew tilda to get your postcount? 
Kallahanden
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Gotrag said:
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probably because any to-be *NEW* people who wanted to try/start on camlann in the past didnt because they could not get into a guild unless they had a 50 char of a certain class etc which ofc they wont have because they are just starting off!?
Starting on a pvp server knowing nobody is enough to put most people off, so being in a guild would make things alot more pleasant for the noob.
think when i wanted to start out on camlann i asked about 3 or 4 well known guilds on camlann if i could join & all said no, so i gave camlann a miss & im guessing alot of other people have had a smilar experiance & in turn gave camlann a miss.
Im guessing the reason behind this attitude was more RP's for them when these noobs became higher level & worth RP as an enemy, but instead its kinda backfired
im not saying all guilds should have invited anyone & everyone, but every guild i asked i offered to even roll what class they needed most.
if camlann is dead... blame yourselves
Starting on a pvp server knowing nobody is enough to put most people off, so being in a guild would make things alot more pleasant for the noob.
think when i wanted to start out on camlann i asked about 3 or 4 well known guilds on camlann if i could join & all said no, so i gave camlann a miss & im guessing alot of other people have had a smilar experiance & in turn gave camlann a miss.
Im guessing the reason behind this attitude was more RP's for them when these noobs became higher level & worth RP as an enemy, but instead its kinda backfired
im not saying all guilds should have invited anyone & everyone, but every guild i asked i offered to even roll what class they needed most.
if camlann is dead... blame yourselves
Caledwyn
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boppas said:probably because any to-be *NEW* people who wanted to try/start on camlann in the past didnt because they could not get into a guild unless they had a 50 char of a certain class etc which ofc they wont have because they are just starting off!?
Starting on a pvp server knowing nobody is enough to put most people off, so being in a guild would make things alot more pleasant for the noob.
think when i wanted to start out on camlann i asked about 3 or 4 well known guilds on camlann if i could join & all said no, so i gave camlann a miss & im guessing alot of other people have had a smilar experiance & in turn gave camlann a miss.
Im guessing the reason behind this attitude was more RP's for them when these noobs became higher level & worth RP as an enemy, but instead its kinda backfired
im not saying all guilds should have invited anyone & everyone, but every guild i asked i offered to even roll what class they needed most.
if camlann is dead... blame yourselves
eeeeemmm, wroooooong...
You make it yourself a bit too easy I guess.
Isn't the fact that everything on pvp is a bit more difficult a good reason to play there instead of going to a server where all just depends on your playtime? (excluding axty ofc
)If I would go to Excalibur asking even the 15 biggest guilds to join them and to roll what they need, well then I expect they wouldn't answer me at all even.
Caledwyn said:
funny you say that, i played on both exc & pryd before the merge & during my time on both i was asked into a few of the larger guilds on both servers (White rose/Soul Pact/Enduring Effer/WoL.. to name a few) & this was without me having any L50's at the time or me saying i would roll whats needed.
What ive said in my previous post is not just my own opinion (which is what i usually type on these boards!!) i have a few friends who in the past have ALL had the same problem as i had on cam when they wanted to start on there.
As for the difficulty... annoying & difficulty is 2 different things. Being chaned 24/7 while XP'n or questing etc is no fun & annoying... dont get me wrong..i know its a PVP server which was i wanted to try it, but being chaned over & over with not a thing i could do about it or knowing no-one to help me, soon made me think f00k it, this is cr@p!. Why would i want to stay? No guild + No friends = No fun
If on the other hand I was in a guild with active members it might have been a different story for me & many others who have also tried cam. Being in a guild/clan etc on any mmorpg game is what makes mmorpg's what they are.
The numbers on the euro pvp server alone during prime time speak for itself, camlann is almost a dead server & now some of those left on it ask *why* ...maybe because many people who tried it had the same problem me & a few other friends had? If me & my friends started at the same time we would have started a guild & invited people, but we all tried camlann at different times (over a period of 3-4 months) so this wansn't a one off thing.
tbh im glad i didnt stay & stick it out to level a 50 to join a guild, because it would have meant i spent months to get L50 (with next to no fun on the way) only to find the server is... dead \o/
I cant but agree boppas but only to a certain extent. I together with some people from Hib/Pryd formed <Fear> on same day as Camlann release. At start we had allmost only people from Pryd in guild (among with some people from US PvP servers, hug Nam and Mail).
To survive we invited more people with no rules on lvls or classes or original server or english as main language. That lead to "plz exp group plz plz plz" from a certain number of "non wanted" group chars like stealthers. So, we invited them to exp with the classes we had (many rolled PBAE or support or tanks from the start gang). Once those stealthers got to 50 the magically vanished to the big guild with 6 relics called Requiem.
Being nice and gentle persons we did not let that get to us but kept the same policy for quite a while. After having 15-20 of those people it sort of was enough though and we started a rule saying we dont recruit people with stealthers as main if not lvl50. And from that on it evolved to trying to keep a balance in the guild when it comes to support and damage chars.
I totally agree that guild is a vital part on Cam, more there then on a RvR server. But it can also be a reliability, as an example we had many people killing everyon with a <Fear> tag on cause they thought it was an alt of a char/person they did not like. So the guild tag could put you in troubble rather then help you out.
About the getting chained when exping part. Thats.....no intention to sound rude...but not very hard to avoid at all. The server has not had more then ~1k players in ages even on peak hours. To find exp spots where people dont chain you is not really hard. Harder then on a RvR server yes but hard....no. It was hard the first months cause of 3k online and an extreme amount of people exping to 50 but not after.
I do agree with you though that the mentality of many players killed the server. They prefered 1 button classes with DI bots stuck to them at bind spots, and "I logg my main and chain yoooooo!!!" when they die on an alt. That being said there is a-holes on all servers...Cam just give them the opportunity to do it full time if they wish.
Soul Pact was created on release on Pryd so was Enduring iirc. Back then no one cared about lvls at all so...dunno...is it still like that? I only been in 2 guilds no entire daoc game so cant answer
To survive we invited more people with no rules on lvls or classes or original server or english as main language. That lead to "plz exp group plz plz plz" from a certain number of "non wanted" group chars like stealthers. So, we invited them to exp with the classes we had (many rolled PBAE or support or tanks from the start gang). Once those stealthers got to 50 the magically vanished to the big guild with 6 relics called Requiem.
Being nice and gentle persons we did not let that get to us but kept the same policy for quite a while. After having 15-20 of those people it sort of was enough though and we started a rule saying we dont recruit people with stealthers as main if not lvl50. And from that on it evolved to trying to keep a balance in the guild when it comes to support and damage chars.
I totally agree that guild is a vital part on Cam, more there then on a RvR server. But it can also be a reliability, as an example we had many people killing everyon with a <Fear> tag on cause they thought it was an alt of a char/person they did not like. So the guild tag could put you in troubble rather then help you out.
About the getting chained when exping part. Thats.....no intention to sound rude...but not very hard to avoid at all. The server has not had more then ~1k players in ages even on peak hours. To find exp spots where people dont chain you is not really hard. Harder then on a RvR server yes but hard....no. It was hard the first months cause of 3k online and an extreme amount of people exping to 50 but not after.
I do agree with you though that the mentality of many players killed the server. They prefered 1 button classes with DI bots stuck to them at bind spots, and "I logg my main and chain yoooooo!!!" when they die on an alt. That being said there is a-holes on all servers...Cam just give them the opportunity to do it full time if they wish.
Soul Pact was created on release on Pryd so was Enduring iirc. Back then no one cared about lvls at all so...dunno...is it still like that? I only been in 2 guilds no entire daoc game so cant answer
Yvbani
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agree also, it's not hard to either make new friends that can help you, or pull it off solo.
people that try out camlann and give up are just pure quitters that's used to having everything done for them, without lifting a finger themselves
people that try out camlann and give up are just pure quitters that's used to having everything done for them, without lifting a finger themselves
MadsKaizer
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Yvbani said:
agree!
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Yvbani said:
Humm, how many days of play to build a decent new char here, with all those arte, RR, Ml, Chp, Sc for a really new player here ?
Playing for months for nothing, just Pve or so, before be able to beguin "fair" fights, i can't see this possible.
We need a new shard PvP with DAOC classic in 1.4 (perhaps with Sc, so no need to farm loots ), and new people surely join us
Nice post Nedo & nicely put
Don't get me wrong it wasnt just for XP'n i wanted to join/be part of a guild, but mainly because i enjoy company/socialising when playing DAoC, weather its XP'n/helping fellow guildy's do quests etc, basically all the things that guilds do
Yvbani, I'm far from a quitter & ive done alot of XP'n solo over a number of chars I have, as explained above & in my previous post, it wasnt just for XP why i wanted to join a guild. Im sure i could have leveled up to 50 on camlann solo no probs with the right char, but in doing so id have alot less fun not being in a guild, once im 50 then id probably get a guild. But it would have been nice for a guild to say "yes, you can join on a trial basis" instead of "u got any 50's?" ..with attitude/community like this it soon become clear that this server wasnt for me! so off i went back to my normal server, & im sure i wasnt the only one who have done the same.
I just feel that camlann players (not all, i might add ) have let them selves down & done the server no good by not inviting new people who were trying cam into there guild if they asked, providing there nice/friendly people & as Nedo mentioned, not just joining for XP then buggering off, i didnt see the problem.
Don't get me wrong it wasnt just for XP'n i wanted to join/be part of a guild, but mainly because i enjoy company/socialising when playing DAoC, weather its XP'n/helping fellow guildy's do quests etc, basically all the things that guilds do
Yvbani, I'm far from a quitter & ive done alot of XP'n solo over a number of chars I have, as explained above & in my previous post, it wasnt just for XP why i wanted to join a guild. Im sure i could have leveled up to 50 on camlann solo no probs with the right char, but in doing so id have alot less fun not being in a guild, once im 50 then id probably get a guild. But it would have been nice for a guild to say "yes, you can join on a trial basis" instead of "u got any 50's?" ..with attitude/community like this it soon become clear that this server wasnt for me! so off i went back to my normal server, & im sure i wasnt the only one who have done the same.
I just feel that camlann players (not all, i might add
) have let them selves down & done the server no good by not inviting new people who were trying cam into there guild if they asked, providing there nice/friendly people & as Nedo mentioned, not just joining for XP then buggering off, i didnt see the problem.
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the downside camlann has is the population has always been lower than rvr so if everyone guilds people then there are no enemies, if you have alot of smaller guilds people end up taking the strongest players and forming good guilds, from here these are the guilds everyone wants to join.
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maybe a very simple idea to try to help wud be tha nobody looses any con (still drop money but no con loss) untill lvl 40 or something, then it wouldnt matter if the low levels chain you, and by level 40 youv made a nice stash of con money?
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so are you /finishes the sentenceEpo said: