Games What are some of your favorite MMOs?

[Scouse]

Though on that side subject i disagree, given enough time you can teach anyone anything.

100% not true.

Perhaps you should read or listen to this.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well those won't help at all, you could give the key points or a link that doesn't require buying stuff, but it's another subject anyway that's not relevant here. New topic?

 

[Scouse]

Well those won't help at all, you could give the key points or a link that doesn't require buying stuff, but it's another subject anyway that's not relevant here. New topic?

The listen-to link doesn't require buying stuff.

Also, I'm amazed* to find that, despite never having read Flowers for Algernon, which is a book based around mental compentency and ability to learn, you already know that it's "not relevant" to this discussion!





*unsurprised

 

[Gwadien]

MUM DAD I HATE IT WHEN YOU ARGUE LIKE THIS

 

[Scouse]

MUM DAD I HATE IT WHEN YOU ARGUE LIKE THIS

You love it you slag.

 

[old.Tohtori]

The listen-to link doesn't require buying stuff.

Also, I'm amazed* to find that, despite never having read Flowers for Algernon, which is a book based around mental compentency and ability to learn, you already know that it's "not relevant" to this discussion!

*unsurprised

It's not relevant though, because it's more about how well you learn and not about if you learn at all.

If you don't learn at all how MMO mechanics work, then you shouldn't play MMOs. As it is, if you do learn while you play, then time = skill is true for all games that you yourself are able to learn.

 

[Scouse]

It's not relevant though, because it's more about how well you learn and not about if you learn at all.

How the fuck do you know that if you've not read the book Toht?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm not talking about what the book is about

This discussion is about learning to be better at a game when you play the game. It's just a fact that you learn a game by playing it, how -well- you learn it and what your cap at it is is irrelevant to the games core mechanics.

If you're unable to learn MMO mechanics, then the MMO shouldn't cater to you either. It's a personal problem, not a game problem.

Also on a sidenote, since you -have- read the book, you should be able to use the arguments made there quite easily to discuss things, instead of demanding someone waste time on it and expect a magical change of heart.

 

[Scouse]

you should be able to use the arguments made there quite easily to discuss things, instead of demanding someone waste time on it and expect a magical change of heart.

I've already given you the only reasonable distilled version and given you an option to challenge your own ideas by reading something I think could sway your opinion (and entertain you massively in the process).

I can't help it if you don't wanna do it...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes but it's still off the beaten path of this discussion.

It comes down to one question; if you've never played an FPS and start playing one, will you become better at it to any extent? ANY extent.

 

[Tuthmes]

Dark age of Camelot.

 

[mooSe_]

I've enjoyed guildwars 1 and 2 but any MMO I've had the misfortune of subscribing to has been wank.

 

[fettoken]

Dark age of Camelot.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Sorry Wazz but he does have a point. Football management games seem more pointless than MMOs to me.

It's not relevant at all. If I was a checkout worker at Waitrose, would I not be allowed to have a personal opinion on Aldi? Of course I am. What my job is and what I actually think are not mutually exclusive entities, what a silly thing to suggest.

I'm disappointed in you.

 

[Raven]

Actually both are the same. Your game requires virtually no skill to win at and has players who spend obscene amounts of time playing it (wasting their time)

You seem to think people who play MMOs have some sort of problem, ergo you think your customers have some sort of problem.

Not to mention you have a pretty juvenile outlook on gamers, which is surprising for someone who works in the industry.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

What are you basing that on exactly? I've said only one thing that could be construed as critical of gamers:

"Don't say that! The MMO fools have yet to reaslise that time spent does not necessarily equal ability gained."

So where are you getting this "juvenille outlook on gamers" from? Oh yes, you're talking firmly out of your arse again.

 

[pikeh]

DAoC in its prime ofc.

Played WoW, maxed out with top gear and got bored of sitting around town jumping on my mount.

Played WAR which could have been really good and I loved my character (rr60 squig herder), but let down by missing a third realm to fight against and was mostly a boring zerg a lot of the time.

Not really had the time to play anything else.

 

[Bigmac]

None as they all drain your money and life away.

 

[Wij]

It's not relevant at all. If I was a checkout worker at Waitrose, would I not be allowed to have a personal opinion on Aldi? Of course I am. What my job is and what I actually think are not mutually exclusive entities, what a silly thing to suggest.

I'm disappointed in you.

It's more like working on the checkout at Tesco and then saying Asda people are totally gay because they ring items through tills for customers and only gayers do that.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

No it isn't. I'm not criticising the makers or the consumers of the product that is being sold, I'm being critical OF the product being sold.

So that doesn't work, what you mean is: "It's more like working on the checkout at Tesco and then saying Asda brand goods are shit."

 

[Everz]

DAoC obviously but Asheron's Call get a close 2nd. Both skill based.

 

[Wij]

No it isn't. I'm not criticising the makers or the consumers of the product that is being sold, I'm being critical OF the product being sold.

So that doesn't work, what you mean is: "It's more like working on the checkout at Tesco and then saying Asda brand goods are shit."

...even though they taste the same.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

But they don't, at all. They're recognisable as comparable products but have distinct characteristics.

 

[TdC]

I'm typing this with my tongue while enjoying mind pics of Wij and Wazz as bleach blonde front and rear tramp-stamped Aldi check out girls. Wazz is about 4'8", massively overweight with an infected cheek piercing, and Wij...looks more or less as he does now tbh

 

[Wazzerphuk]

But they don't, at all. They're recognisable as comparable products but have distinct characteristics.

Well, they don't in the original Waitrose-Aldi analogy which worked fine.

 

[Moriath]

DAoC always will be the best nothing like it before and the 3 layer pvp ..

Nothing like 2001 or 2 walking from atla to gna faste with the forests all around you not knowing anything in them shitting yourself

First PvP kill came out shaking so much of a more emotional response that i have not had since.

WoW was good but it wasnt the first .. like losin your virginity

Still searching for that DAoC compulsion to sit for 10 hours in Malmo ..

Not found it since.

 

[Bigmac]

Good times in Malmo, run its 12:00, everyone to the mountain, dragon incoming! Good times.

Memories of dragon raiding, love the breath attacks

 

[MYstIC G]

No it isn't. I'm not criticising the makers or the consumers of the product that is being sold, I'm being critical OF the product being sold.

So that doesn't work, what you mean is: "It's more like working on the checkout at Tesco and then saying Asda brand goods are shit."

Have you and Toht swapped logins?

*hopes Wij will post something about his shits now so this nonsense reaches its natural conclusion*

 

[old.Tohtori]

That's twice in two days that's been suggested. First Scouse's account being hacked by me and now Wazz's and mine being swapped.

I'm starting to think there's some kind of a stereotype regarding my actions

 

[Ormorof]

i was 14 when i started playing MMOs and it blew my mind, dont think i played a singleplayer game for the first 2-3 years after that, it was as if something was missing

since then i find any mmo where i dont have a setup guild ready from day 1 or a duo/trio ready to roll gets dull very fast (also as a working stiff i dont have as much time anymore for that kind of thing )

what i miss most about DAoC is the "static" battlefield, i detest this "reset" after a certain period of time and i hate battlegrounds/arena for the same reason, whats the point of doing it if any benefit will simply be reset after a day or two