wensday afternoon.

[Tuthmes]

Pointing fingers are we? Dyvet failed as a community, not as a game. Do you really think that a bunch of assholes decided to roll albs and screw up the cluster? Let it lie now, it is over.

Yes we are pointing fingers. The community which you speak of never existed in Albion, cause all they really cared for whas Arthur (see TT stuff, etc, etc).

As people pointed out earlier, its the people who make the game. Cba to listen to what people have to say, fair enough. Have your empty cluster. For Arthur and the realm!

 

[othmaar]

Just 1 thing I see people misunderstand some times ... When I say CM, I mean CM + the community that supports them and aid them in their cause. I don't mean the whole guild, nor people who play with them, or people who know them ...

Why can't you just say that you mean everyone, except yourself, those whose asses you kiss or would have kissed, and those who kiss or would have kissed your ass, killed Dyvet. Especially if they were members of CM and you have no idea who they are or why they play the game.

Nobody is going to directly take the blame for the death of the cluster. Everyone likes to argue their favorite cause, which often involves blaming people other than themselves. The truth is probably that the decline in the population was inevitable. The game itself has more competition, the european population is split into many language groups, and europeans in general are arrogant, pretentious and patronizing by nature. Don't take my word for it, but ask around instead.

We did more or less invent the humor of irony and sarcasm after all

 

[Tuthmes]

I don't think they did it on purpose, they had their reasons for doing what they did when they did it.

It's like, "so, we're online at 6 am again (bloody day/evening-shifts at work), for the 100th day in a row, and I'm boored of killing mobs. Wanna go kill some guards instead? Lets hit it."

Then, "it's a game, they are our enemies, why should we care what our enemies think, they wouldn't be our enemies then, would they?! Besides, what else should we do all night?

Seriously on Prydwen OF (before cluster yeye) people would split up if they where the last group roaming around amg, mmg. It's not hard to use your brain and see what you are doing, really.

 

[Arethir]

Nobody is going to directly take the blame for the death of the cluster. Everyone likes to argue their favorite cause, which often involves blaming people other than themselves. The truth is probably that the decline in the population was inevitable. The game itself has more competition, the european population is split into many language groups, and europeans in general are arrogant, pretentious and patronizing by nature. Don't take my word for it, but ask around instead.

Yes, I totally agree. There are numerous reasons to why the server died, and it's death was inevitable, as I have said, and I can probably quote myself 4-5 times in this thread alone, already.

Having said that, my point was, that the certain incident in question, directly, and by that I mean, people moved/quit THAT day, DUE to that excact incident. This ofc, as said again and again and again, was not the cause alone, nobody thinks that, but it did cause a direct decline in the ammount of players on the server (and I can prove this, I got loads of "witnesses" who moved that can tell you this happened), and thereby speeded up the servers death.

However, this has gone totally off topic, as iirc, Muylaetrix haven't AC'd anything in like a year. (He says 6+ months in the thread i linked on page 2)

 

[Arethir]

Seriously on Prydwen OF (before cluster yeye) people would split up if they where the last group roaming around amg, mmg. It's not hard to use your brain and see what you are doing, really.

Well, as you're a hib and it actually means something to you, it probably aint.

But I guess the thought that the enemies would quit if they did this long enough just never strafed their mind, why would it, it's not like they read FH, and the few who does, doesn't care what the minority "leetist pricks" think. And if it at some point came into their head, I guess they just didn't care. Cause, what else would there be to do in the middle of the night then?

 

[Raven]

I know of at least 30 that jumped ship when the whole TT thing kicked off, that was my guild alone on US, hundreds more went to other Euro servers or US, or simply quit all together.

 

[Arethir]

I know of at least 30 that jumped ship when the whole TT thing kicked off, that was my guild alone on US, hundreds more went to other Euro servers or US, or simply quit all together.

I would like to call this, Excibit A.

 

[Tuthmes]

Well, as you're a hib and it actually means something to you, it probably aint.

But I guess the thought that the enemies would quit if they did this long enough just never strafed their mind, why would it, it's not like they read FH, and the few who does, doesn't care what the minority "leetist pricks" think. And if it at some point came into their head, I guess they just didn't care. Cause, what else would there be to do in the middle of the night then?

Yes lets start of by saying i'm a "Hib". Anyone with a bit of a brain can see what they are doing in the middle of the night, zerging down everything thats left.

No but's, no why's, no nothing.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

CM has done nothing and absolutly nothing else, but to grief this server. The fact you back them up says it all reallly.

I think stealth zergers like you deseve to be relic raided 24/7.

That goes for most players out here. Actually the only like White Paladin guy I've met way Gotmagi, the rest of you shouldn't really be moaning about being griefed in a PvP game, if you can't take it, go back to the kindergarten, aber don't whine about your carebears that you have lost at 5 am while you took them away from one girl crying at 11 am with a bunch of spoiled kids.

I am not sure you will get the analogy.

 

[whitelights]

Well, the english cluster is extremly low pop and heading downwards. So the question is what could be done about it? I was thinking about the solution people involved with Freeshard versions of the game thought up. Instead of using the whole oversiezed frontier (for small pop servers) they choose to use either of the different battlegrounds instead. And that would probably be better. Fighting in a Thidranki setting rocks when there are only about 100-200 players compared to trying to roam the huge areas of the standard frontier...

As a response to Muy. Its a good thought, and with some luck it helps atleast after a while the Hibs will get back out. But with so few rps around Albs are bound to try to get what ever rps they can get, and that unfortunatly atm is to defend the keeps.

The effects of last years actions (combined with other factors ofc) from the English GoA team seems to be irreversiable at this point. I know its not a popular comment here, but if you still enjoy the game and see no future for the english cluster, rather than quit playing the game, give the german servers a try. They are very much alive (3000 players prime time, 500-1000 off time), its easy to get started, germans are extremly friendly and helpful, the language barrier is easy to get around, and the rvr is separated, so that you wount risk getting whined at for doing something that isnt according to someone elses version of rvr. In short it is what DaoC New Frontiers was always meant to be...

With regards

Charmangle

fully agree with charmangle, started playing hib/avalon with some people from MID/excalibur and atm we have a nice pop in guild.
Nice community and loads of fun all day 7/7.

If u feel for moving, let us know.

Whitelights 11L4 pac (retired)
edionare 5L8 bard
migraines 3L6 banshee and rising.

:worthy:

 

[Tuthmes]

I think stealth zergers like you deseve to be relic raided 24/7.

That goes for most players out here. Actually the only like White Paladin guy I've met way Gotmagi, the rest of you shouldn't really be moaning about being griefed in a PvP game, if you can't take it, go back to the kindergarten, aber don't whine about your carebears that you have lost at 5 am while you took them away from one girl crying at 11 am with a bunch of spoiled kids.

I am not sure you will get the analogy.

Seriously Manisch you can do better then to come up with something bs then a stealth zerg.

Yes the ranger grouped up for once, because scout/minstrel/infil #12345 whas banging his arse for the 10,000th time, with the rest of his crew. Surely thats unfair...

Not like i ever solo'd on any of my chars anyways.

The "if you cant take it, carebear excuse" only points out to the griefplay. Nothing else.

 

[Arethir]

Yes lets start of by saying i'm a "Hib". Anyone with a bit of a brain can see what they are doing in the middle of the night, zerging down everything thats left.

No but's, no why's, no nothing.

Well, eh, it's dark in the night ye? And..

Ah fuck it, the only thing I can come up with is this: They didn't care. They were boored, and wanted something to do.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Seriously Manisch you can do better then to come up with something bs then a stealth zerg.

Yes the ranger grouped up for once, because scout/minstrel/infil #12345 whas banging his arse for the 10,000th time, with the rest of his crew. Surely thats unfair...

Not like i ever solo'd on any of my chars anyways.

The "if you cant take it, carebear excuse" only points out to the griefplay. Nothing else.

You just don't get it. You take it personal while I am trying to elaborate something to you but you don't want to get it. If you didn't grief, then take Post Mortem with their FG stealth zerg or take Nolby Pride Hib group using satellite navigation and adding on each FG fight for two weeks in a row for 50k RPs/h pre RP patch or take Apoclipsis Reloaded/Daesavio/Golden Age or the other 21 guilds that played the same way as CM did or take the level 20 asshole with that mega bow dealing several k damage. The drove a lot of people away too.

At least CM never claimed to be something that they were not unlike most of the self proclaimed rightful guilds/groups which were super PvP players at the first look but at the second a buch of ignorant my-way-whenever-like-it guys with no real principles.

It's beyond hope with you guys anyway, according to your self established standards you can kill a CM FG with 2-4 guys easily, now I know that you can get 2-4 guys, so go tiger.

Oh wait, here comes the "they zerg us down 16 : 8 and we can't beat them". Like the preemptive whine at Zorbas' RvR BG that turned to be unneeded as the Hibs shafted the Albs BG, but you guys whined anyway, the same guys that whine here even if it was a good night for all.

Why should Albs EVEN CONSIDER to think about your perspective when all you do is whining and bitching and blaming them? Often unneeded without even saying sorry. Why should Albs treat you fair when most of them never wanted that stupid iRvR every day in HW and you established it every morning anyway while x-realming?

I couldn't care less about TT, I am sure they still have tons of fun on other servers, eventually even more than they ever had on Dyvet.

I just don't get the mono causal blaming for something where there is dozens of arguments why Dyvet is as it is, it's yellow press style.

The world isn't black and white.

 

[ileks]

Action was actually very decent tonight untill about 10:30, had some really top fights.

 

[Arethir]

Why should Albs EVEN CONSIDER to think about your perspective when all you do is whining and bitching and blaming them? Often unneeded without even saying sorry. Why should Albs treat you fair when most of them never wanted that stupid iRvR every day in HW and you established it every morning anyway while x-realming?

Sorry but I do hope you're not serious. You want people to stop the whine and bitch? Would you like them to stop breathing while at it aswell?

It's like mythics character GM's. The inf GM gets a shitload of whine because everyone else is overpowered and infs need a boost. He can't ignore the whine simply because there always is alot of it, he has to filtrate out the importance of it, reflect upon the matter and try to discover for himself whether they have a point or not. There will always be whine, from all parts, and in between, you have to look for some kind of logic in that whine, and see for yourself if ther emight be some truth behind it.

 

[whitelights]

Hahaha, i could actually see that happening.

CM VENT:
'- Ok guys, the guards will be coming over this next hill, is BoF and DI up.'
-' Shit no, i burned those vs that solo warrior we met.'
'- Right, oh well it was needed so well played.'
'- Ok, any sec now........ Oh my god, theres 2 full groups of them!! RETREAT!!! BACK TO BENO 3!!!!!!'

/Alliance
[Alliance]: Kzn, 'Shit, muym8, we have 16 i repeat 16 enemy guards in Agramon center, we need backup, i repeat, we need backup'
[Alliance]: Muylaetrix,'dude, my moc and rr5 is down since our last fight, a boggart aggroed our driver so i had to do something!!111'

etc.

omg i laughed my ass off lols man this is the verry best post i ever saw on freddy's house tbh.U brought light in my nightshift(QQ)

Ty septina this was great!

:worthy:

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Sorry but I do hope you're not serious. You want people to stop the whine and bitch? Would you like them to stop breathing while at it aswell?

It's like mythics character GM's. The inf GM gets a shitload of whine because everyone else is overpowered and infs need a boost. He can't ignore the whine simply because there always is alot of it, he has to filtrate out the importance of it, reflect upon the matter and try to discover for himself whether they have a point or not. There will always be whine, from all parts, and in between, you have to look for some kind of logic in that whine, and see for yourself if ther emight be some truth behind it.

I would only try to discover the rightful reason for whining behind something when it would be a baby/kid or a person feeling very bad over something but not supposedly grown up young men with some education.

Sorry.

I surely don't care about whiners crying out lout for nerfs or boosts for characters, it's usually the people who get a good game nerfed beyond recogintion, but I get you what you are saying with that.

It was a never ending circle what that keep taking that eventually led to relic takes in the night, Mids and Hibs getting up early, screwing Albs till they have more players in the frontiers than they together and than Albs screwing Mids and Hibs with the rare occassion of an opted FG killing everything in sight because it was so inferior. Eventually Albs had the longer endurance or just the bigger base from the beginning to "survive" the collapse of the server.

For me the reason to fully stop playing on Dyvet was that one couldn't go out in the early mornings to have some okay solo fights because of all the DI botted, BG'ed chars or duos and trios and that were not Albs.

So I think depending on what time of day you're playing you can suffer the same and sure I wouldn't like it to face a high RR group taking keeps late at night and I'd stop to play too. But for me it would rather seem natural what they're doing (What are they supposed to do? Get other jobs so they can play day time?) than artifical griefing. Just as some opted groups used to farm the zerg for the holy RR12 CM takes what it can get late nights to get their RPs.

I had my fair share of zergs, keep/tower takes with CM members but also know that some of them were hardcore solo'ers like that ex Maelstrom guy (forgott his name) and that plenty of them used to have FG fights (especially when Gobo was around leading) when the night gave it, once upon a time we had fights versus Prodical's or Wela's group til like 4 am in Emain or Agramon.

But how would people that bitch know? They only see that after 6 am the guys who didn't go to sleep painted a frontier red and took some relics.

So yeah, bitching might be okay, but please from a position of knowledge, I am sure most of the guys whining never played with CM or spoke to them just like most of the guys whining about class balance never played others classes much.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

omg i laughed my ass off lols man this is the verry best post i ever saw on freddy's house tbh.U brought light in my nightshift(QQ)

Ty septina this was great!

:worthy:

I think CM's TS is a bit different, Magon and Blindguardian crying about being sheared, Blow getting phoned each 5 seconds, Onlyone making dirty jokes, 2-3 guys not speaking due to no mic and when I am on I am laughing about you.

 

[whitelights]

I think CM's TS is a bit different, Magon and Blindguardian crying about being sheared, Blow getting phoned each 5 seconds, Onlyone making dirty jokes, 2-3 guys not speaking due to no mic and when I am on I am laughing about you.

O but you've hurt my feelings sooo hard i cry tears all night long , so i left ....my beloved server , lol.

paccie 11L4 (retired)<<<<<<see o-O<<<<<<
Currently playing avalon bye,

 

[charmangle]

or one could say it was the childish drama queen act from TT on fredies that caused all the damage... opinions i guess.

Well I dont agree with you here. And to be honest I thought you had come around to understanding that at this point!:/

Speaking as one of those who left only and I do mean only because of the moronic decision by GoA, it had absolutly nothing to do with what TT wrote or said. It had nothing to do with their feelings on the matter at all.
What was so wrong with the whole situation was that GoA choose to use a rule that has no specifications at all, a rule without any frames, that should only be used in extreme situations and only if the game itself is in danger. The reason for this is that its very important for a client to feel certain that he KNOWS exactly what is allowed and not before he is punished for an act. Remember he is the customer!

What GoA should have done was to release the keep manually, write a post on the website specifying exactly what is allowed in lowering/releasing a relic/normal keep. If someone still does something against those specifications, then you punish them.

i say TT was responsible for more people leaving the server than any other reason ever before. think about it, maybe TT damaged the server more than CM

Well, you are allowed to have your own view on it ofc. But it would probably be prudent to listen to what those actually leaving over this found so repulsive.

Ofc you can argue that if no one had ever heared of the decision the effects had been different. But that doesnt make it TTs fault, and it doesnt make the decision right! When you are abused (as TT was as customers in this incident) and there is no way of getting an appeal your only choice is to warn others.

i say that what i did can`t be compared to what TT did.

if you can`t see the diff between releasing an enemy keep to restore ports to have `some` action when there are 100 players on the cluster and setting a keep containing a relic to level one and telling a majority of fellow realmmates they are wankers and should foad on a cluster with 1000 - 1400 people, you insist on being blind imho.

Well, you are missing their point here. You keep arguing it from your point of view without trying to see where their views are comming from. They are saying that it is the same thing when you apply a rule that only says: May not do anything against the Spirit of the Game. A rule so open to interpretation that it can be used on any and all situations in the game. In that light setting a relic keep to lvl 1 is exactly the same thing as releasing it purposly for another realm to be able to retake it. Simply because both can be construed as not beeing in the purpose of the creators of the game.

Hope I made the points clear!

/Charmangle

 

[brad]

Wow anyone realised...

school started again..

still loads of albs on

Mids and hibs population went down by like 75%

Think your to much of a prick to realise that, people left for other reasons other than school lol.

 

[brad]

Look at the players not playing on Dyvet but caring about Dyvet's situation enough to do major finger pointing.

Ironic. It's YOUR fault that the situation is like this, you are the cause. CM or whoever being able to paint the Hib/Mid frontiers is just an effect.

Now you could say CM is the cause why are not there in the first place and then I'd say "bad losers".

If you want it better, resubscribe and fix it, but I guess the majority of you belongs to that kind of group of players that wants FG or solo fights served on a golden tablet.

Think i'll say just lol.

 

[Nate]

Thread of the year me thinks

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Think i'll say just lol.

Not like you are able to contribute much in any other way .

 

[Golly]

is it worth reading pages 2-10?

 

[Vodkafairy]

is it worth reading pages 2-10?

apart from kiwiks oneliner on page 3, no.

 

[Muylaetrix]

Seriously though, I always said to myself that I will play till the last man on Dyvet, however what I witnessed this morning: albs cutting ALL hib ports, albs cutting mid port to Emain, albs running in fgs randomly taking towers when there's like 3 enemies out.Now all I can say is fuck you and have fun on your private daoc server. Where you can capture all the towers and keeps you want and no one will interfere.

the point is NOT to play to the last man standing.

i want to have people to play against.

for that, consessions have to be made.

with 1000 players on the cluster, it was a different issue than it is now.

 

[Muylaetrix]

Albs didn't Win DAOC btw in this case there were no winners only losers.Soulja

i agree

/cry

 

[Punishment]

'Hey mates, maybe we shouldn't have destroyed the server? '

Funny

Rofl ;D

Hahaha, i could actually see that happening.

CM VENT:
'- Ok guys, the guards will be coming over this next hill, is BoF and DI up.'
-' Shit no, i burned those vs that solo warrior we met.'
'- Right, oh well it was needed so well played.'
'- Ok, any sec now........ Oh my god, theres 2 full groups of them!! RETREAT!!! BACK TO BENO 3!!!!!!'

/Alliance
[Alliance]: Kzn, 'Shit, muym8, we have 16 i repeat 16 enemy guards in Agramon center, we need backup, i repeat, we need backup'
[Alliance]: Muylaetrix,'dude, my moc and rr5 is down since our last fight, a boggart aggroed our driver so i had to do something!!111'

etc.

Haha I pee'd a little ;O


Congrats Retards ... YOU WIN DAOC !!!11

 

[Muylaetrix]

disclaimer : !!!!
i am drunk at the moment of posting this.

Damnit, searched trough the thread, and I actually can't find Muyl saying he's interacted with GoA in any way about the subject :/
So, Muyl, did you interact with GoA in any way to assist in getting TT "banned"?

i was opossing what TT did vocally ingame and on freddies

I NEVER had any contact with GOA on this matter.

Anyhow, I still don't need that quote to prove my point, which is that you were highly against what we did. Whereas you now take an action I would classify as identical.

your argumentation fall short.

cases are NOT identical. imho. if goa thinks differently, i DESERVE a ban

So, my point stands. Same action ("helping" the enemies). Same purpose (improve the status of RvR).

helping the enemy WITHOUT sabotaging your own realm. i din`t PREVENT / SABOTAGE any realm mates attempts, i talked them out of it when relevant. no person objected at ANY TIME to the things is asked people.

would classify as identical.
To me, the actions are the same.

nope

This tells me you, and hopefully more with you, have come to realize, that sometimes you have to take a step back and cut your enemies some slack, to have anything at all left to fight.

agree