wensday afternoon.

[Punishment]

So yeah, bitching might be okay, but please from a position of knowledge, I am sure most of the guys whining never played with CM or spoke to them just like most of the guys whining about class balance never played others classes much.

Afew times i beat CM full strength group on my rr4 bard in a PuG with random rr2-5 hibs from all walks of life ...

Fight went like this ...

CM instawiped half of our group as they had superior dps ...

I Egg and all are back up and rebuffed as i fz away Kzn affections and i BoZ+Amnesia their 2 clerics ...

We then tore them to pieces w/o assist

I am m8's irl with Prodical ... and if you are trying to say that THAT can beat a group with the likes of Prodical/Gear/Vulcan playing in it ... You sir are very VERY wrong

 

[Muylaetrix]

There's no (hardly) any differance between a lvl 1 keep or 1 thats unclaimed, so go buy a big stfu, so seriously stop playing the /gc release /4tehrealm game.{QUOTE]

if i recall correctly as keep who has been set to level one has been `guarded` by an armie of albs who didn`t agree with had haad happend for over a week against a great number of attempts who were made to take the keep at any possible amount of eneemies.


TT acted on their own behalf, ignoring their own realms wishes and received 2 suspensions of 5 days for it.

lets see how many players STILL active complained about what i have sugest to players.

 

[Punishment]

You are not only doing what TT did , you are doing it in a premeditated way ... aka both admitting it and asking players how they feel about it ...

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TT did what they did so as not to take the piss with hibs etc and give em a chance ... you are doing it as no more hibs/mids are coming to your bridgecamp party and you miss the rps ... Have fun with that

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Afew times i beat CM full strength group on my rr4 bard in a PuG with random rr2-5 hibs from all walks of life ...

Fight went like this ...

CM instawiped half of our group as they had superior dps ...

I Egg and all are back up and rebuffed as i fz away Kzn affections and i BoZ+Amnesia their 2 clerics ...

We then tore them to pieces w/o assist

I am m8's irl with Prodical ... and if you are trying to say that THAT can beat a group with the likes of Prodical/Gear/Vulcan playing in it ... You sir are very VERY wrong

Nice story, shrug. Prodical and Vulcan know better, I guess you were not there when we had the fights versus them, but it's good of you to comment on it anyway.

 

[Punishment]

Nice story, shrug. Prodical and Vulcan know better, I guess you were not there when we had the fights versus them, but it's good of you to comment on it anyway.

Not a story ... i was looking over their shoulders so i know the facts

Now kindly drop the Iraqi Propaganda Fascade ... as im not buying it , only time they died and you guys were left standing was when you added on them or jumped them straight after a fight with ooe+oom ... and even then you guys lost more than you won ... :touch:

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Not a story ... i was looking over their shoulders so i know the facts

Now kindly drop the Iraqi Propaganda Fascade ... as im not buying it , only time they died and you guys were left standing was when you added on them or jumped them straight after a fight with ooe+oom ... and even then you guys lost more than you won ... :touch:

Uh yeah, story as in happening, I didn't question it unlike you question something you didn't witness. What you described happens prolly daily . Prodical and Vulcan know that we had good fights with Gobo/Kzn/Blind/Only1 then Zaggy on Theurg or Cleric and me on Sorc, so not really a CM group, it was Gobo's PuG with 4-5 CM players.

Anyway, I'll rather buy you a pint of Guinness at The Kings' Head or some other pub you like than talking about that stuff, those times where one could have some nice FG fights til 4 am or so are sadly gone.

 

[Jupiter]

Not a story ... i was looking over their shoulders so i know the facts

Now kindly drop the Iraqi Propaganda Fascade ... as im not buying it , only time they died and you guys were left standing was when you added on them or jumped them straight after a fight with ooe+oom ... and even then you guys lost more than you won ... :touch:

wanna watch out m8, he might post some random picture from 2-3 years ago and try persuade people that a) ur in it, b) u zerg, c) that a whole fg of ur guild are in it............ he's warped in de head, a few sandwichs short of a picnic, a few slates missing from the roof, as mad as a brush....... just smile we are know he's crap

 

[Raimo]

wanna watch out m8, he might post some random picture from 2-3 years ago and try persuade people that a) ur in it, b) u zerg, c) that a whole fg of ur guild are in it............ he's warped in de head, a few sandwichs short of a picnic, a few slates missing from the roof, as mad as a brush....... just smile we are know he's crap

3 fries short of a happy meal
I like that the best

 

[aika]

Heard there was nice solo action yesterday, gonna log my champ today to try and solo a bit, I wanna ding

 

[Soulja_IA_]

Heard there was nice solo action yesterday, gonna log my champ today to try and solo a bit, I wanna ding

Reason was US servers were down for repatching think you may find it different today

Soulja

 

[kirennia]

the point is NOT to play to the last man standing.

i want to have people to play against.

for that, consessions have to be made.

with 1000 players on the cluster, it was a different issue than it is now.

I don't want to argue rights and wrongs really, just to make our situation at the time and now clear. If you still think I'm wrong, fair play to you.

Personally I just see it as a different number but the same thing. You see 100 players as a dead server, we saw that when there were around 1000, these AC relic takes were driving people away from the game. I personally don't care if it was the 'crybabies' as some people say or whatever, they were enemies and just as you say, we also wanted people to play against.

cases are NOT identical. imho. if goa thinks differently, i DESERVE a ban

Just to point this out, even if you did lower a relic keep to level 1, you wouldn't be banned. Roaken made it clear that it's not a bannable offence, it was just that Requiel decided to make up a rule on the spot because he was one of the albs who opposed us. This was what made more of an impact then it all. From the moment that took place in a time of vibrant discussion and he acted by simply making up a rule, people realised that he could and would do it whenever he pleased. We didn't deserve a ban, just as if you did it now, you wouldn't deserve a ban. I don't care what side of the fence people are on with this, the rights or wrongs, he made up the rule because it was us. I'd put money on it that he would of acted differently if it was his guildie who did it; he never did get on with any of the 'FG' lot as far as I'm aware...

helping the enemy WITHOUT sabotaging your own realm. i din`t PREVENT / SABOTAGE any realm mates attempts, i talked them out of it when relevant. no person objected at ANY TIME to the things is asked people.

We can argue the same. We didn't talk to everybody but those we did talk to (in alb by the way, we didn't confer with hibs/mids about it) all supported us. If for example I was online and said to you 'that's not fair, you're sabotaging the realm' what would you have realistically of said to me? You didn't talk to everyone, nor did I. And yes, I have been online of late as have other members of TT so we're part of the 'active community' too...

I am m8's irl with Prodical ... and if you are trying to say that THAT can beat a group with the likes of Prodical/Gear/Vulcan playing in it ... You sir are very VERY wrong

As far as I know, Manisch is talking about the old Gobo groups. I too was part of them and we very often had good nights of combat against prodicals groups, winning as many as we lost. Some nights we'd have the upper hand, some nights they would. I don't know about recently as I haven't played with or against those groups of late.


I was never a saint at FGing, nor were any of the TT members as far as I remember, we just tried to do something to oppose what WE saw as killing the server, just like what has happened now. The irony has made me chuckle a little but as someone said, there weren't really any winners in terms of Dyvet. All I know is that we've had a blast since leaving and I'm glad we did, just wish it could have been in different circumstances.

 

[Twoeye]

And when u log on today what do u c....yay it all looks like it did yesterday in hib

 

[Rigga Mortice]

It's not a matter of who is right, it's a matter of who is left

 

[Bistrup666]

Afew times i beat CM full strength group on my rr4 bard in a PuG with random rr2-5 hibs from all walks of life ...

Fight went like this ...

CM instawiped half of our group as they had superior dps ...

I Egg and all are back up and rebuffed as i fz away Kzn affections and i BoZ+Amnesia their 2 clerics ...

We then tore them to pieces w/o assist

I am m8's irl with Prodical ... and if you are trying to say that THAT can beat a group with the likes of Prodical/Gear/Vulcan playing in it ... You sir are very VERY wrong

CM never has and never will be a challenge to any fg that knows how to play the game.

Gobo atleast knew how to play his merc, unlike the perma overextending kzn. U can see how much difference 3-4 players make in a grp. Back then that pug gave a nice fight, now the GG is just sad, thats why they stick to AC raiding for rp's.

 

[Sean]

It's not a matter of who is right, it's a matter of who is left

i like what you did there

 

[censi]

No Overlord = Dead server!

 

[Sean]

No Overlord = Dead server!

the cocklord has spoken!!!
what server is plagued by you now?

 

[Raimo]

No Overlord = Dead server!

You never was an Overlord and never will be.
The only Overlord for hib was Mastade!!

 

[Dard]

the point is NOT to play to the last man standing.

i want to have people to play against.

for that, consessions have to be made.

with 1000 players on the cluster, it was a different issue than it is now.

Wasnt it about this time last year, when people had been complaining about Albs being stupid, you posted on FH likening this game to a war, you posted somthing about if you cant stand unequal numbers then you shouldnt be playing a MMO & you also posted somthing about the way way to win was having to grind your opponent down or breaking there morale or somthing ?

Well you had your warnings back then, you ignored them & now ... you reap what you sow.

Enjoy.

 

[CorNokZ]

You never was an Overlord and never will be.
The only Overlord for hib was Mastade!!

Proof:

 

[Cromcruaich]

Cant be bothered arguing with Muy and Kin. Whats the point? They know the score, they are just pissing around on FH.

Reason for a lot of people that the TT incident was a turning point was not the ban itself (and ban is a reasonable description - cant believe that ridiculously petty argument Muy tried generate around that terminology) - it was that it represented Requiel taking a specific position on in game actions that we're within the CoC - it was a feeling of complete disbelief and outrage that sent people over the edge. Its was put more eloquently at the time by other people.

And just to say, NFD guild upped sticks a few days later - 3 guild groups moved, and the whole NFD alliance (one of the bigger hib ones, infact in terms of rvr action we were often top of the hib lwrp, and occasionally the server lwrp at that time) collapsed as a direct result.

Oh and what the people who spout leetist prick rubbish all the time completely fail to take into account is that all those gg people have solo and muck around characters - our fixed groups only ran twice a week. Rest of the time their other chars would be in pugs, solo, duos, zerging, keep defence, tower taking etc etc etc. But oh well.

Guess i'd best start amusing myself on the OT section.

 

[Kinetix]

I think CM's TS is a bit different, Magon and Blindguardian crying about being sheared, Blow getting phoned each 5 seconds, Onlyone making dirty jokes, 2-3 guys not speaking due to no mic and when I am on I am laughing about you.

ffs you forgot about me QQ

 

[Genedril]

Oh and what the people who spout leetist prick rubbish all the time completely fail to take into account is that all those gg people have solo and muck around characters - our fixed groups only ran twice a week. Rest of the time their other chars would be in pugs, solo, duos, zerging, keep defence, tower taking etc etc etc. But oh well.

Guess i'd best start amusing myself on the OT section.

Surely not - you know we run in opted FG's 24/7 don't you. Even those old fashioned ones when we were all trollyed & your bard could no long form coherent sentances while the only thing you could say was extend while hitting the zone wall. (/irony off for those that didn't notice it going on).

(and ban is a reasonable description - cant believe that ridiculously petty argument Muy tried generate around that terminology)

Ban is the correct terminology, to argue otherwise is incorrect. An example would be when one is banned from driving in the UK. The ban is usually for a period of time (6 months/1 year/3 years/whatever).

...it was that it represented Requiel taking a specific position on in game actions that we're within the CoC - it was a feeling of complete disbelief and outrage that sent people over the edge. Its was put more eloquently at the time by other people.

Indeed, it was just that the cause the ructions. The fact was that it was unprecedented & done without warning with no possible recourse was the issue. If they'd have been told of the possible consequences & said 'we will do it regardless as a stand & take the ban' then fair enough. Instead there was no consultation, no warning just the spiriting out of a SotG rule that had never been applied before in similar situations.

And just to say, NFD guild upped sticks a few days later - 3 guild groups moved, and the whole NFD alliance (one of the bigger hib ones, infact in terms of rvr action we were often top of the hib lwrp, and occasionally the server lwrp at that time) collapsed as a direct result.

Aye & unfortunately it hit NFD pretty hard even after the move. The guild took a huge playerbase hit around that time & it's all down to the fact that we felt that we had to move if that is how the UK servers were going to be 'managed'. Even after NFD returned to the cluster we never managed to get the player base back; some people stayed on Avalon, some people stayed away.

I'm not claiming that the TT incident & repercussions killed the server. What has damaged it most (in my own opinion as I have neither the statistics or facts to back it up) is people from all playstyles on the server claiming that they are right & everyone who doesn't agree was wrong in the most vociferous & abusive way possible. In that respect Censi-esque (well old skool Censi anyhow) comments in game & on FH have been just as damaging as Muly-esque comments. No particular offense to either of those 2 but they provide diametrically opposed thread styles as an example.

(appologies for the ramble).

 

[Lethul]

I am m8's irl with Prodical ... and if you are trying to say that THAT can beat a group with the likes of Prodical/Gear/Vulcan playing in it ... You sir are very VERY wrong

= if you get beat by prodical groups you are far far faaaaaaaaaaar down the foodchain tbh

 

[brad]

No Overlord = Dead server!

You mean Overlords!!! Don't you!!

I think albs took our signed letter abit to seriously lol.

The movie clip of that kid smashing up his keyboard i think was kinetix tbh. He went mad with rage. Haha. Someone post the link i must see it!!!!!!

 

[Jupiter]

Cant be bothered arguing with Muy and Kin. Whats the point? They know the score, they are just pissing around on FH.

Reason for a lot of people that the TT incident was a turning point was not the ban itself (and ban is a reasonable description - cant believe that ridiculously petty argument Muy tried generate around that terminology) - it was that it represented Requiel taking a specific position on in game actions that we're within the CoC - it was a feeling of complete disbelief and outrage that sent people over the edge. Its was put more eloquently at the time by other people.

And just to say, NFD guild upped sticks a few days later - 3 guild groups moved, and the whole NFD alliance (one of the bigger hib ones, infact in terms of rvr action we were often top of the hib lwrp, and occasionally the server lwrp at that time) collapsed as a direct result.

Oh and what the people who spout leetist prick rubbish all the time completely fail to take into account is that all those gg people have solo and muck around characters - our fixed groups only ran twice a week. Rest of the time their other chars would be in pugs, solo, duos, zerging, keep defence, tower taking etc etc etc. But oh well.

Guess i'd best start amusing myself on the OT section.

Crom sometimes i think you go too softly softly but this time i agree 100%

 

[Fanguir]

No Overlord = Dead server!

Overlord ftw

 

[brad]

I think this will represent albs. Self owned them selves by their own action and are now moaning that there is no action. Two words, Shame lol.

Aninote.com - Albs just got OWNED!

 

[Sean]

You mean Overlords!!! Don't you!!

I think albs took our signed letter abit to seriously lol.

The movie clip of that kid smashing up his keyboard i think was kinetix tbh. He went mad with rage. Haha. Someone post the link i must see it!!!!!!

www.KinetixIsBabyish.com

 

[brad]

www.KinetixIsBabyish.com

lol