Weird Hibernian Tactics.

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

right albs never whined ?

u guys are already whining about inc warlocks, theres nothing in hibernia/midgard left that u havent whined on :touch:

Ah the wajn is stlong in this one.....

 

[Raven]

Hibs need to learn to zerg, its not something most of us actually like doing but its something we are forced to do in NF. VGN have been knockng holes in keeps in albion and Midgard over the last week for various reasons. To pester the enemy, to test tactics, to get RPs and as the VGN now is not the VGN of pre NF we are building a team and learning how to work as a team, running into 100 albs in new emain doesnt teach anyone anything, Zerging with the rest of hib doesnt teach anyone anything, dealing with similer or slightly larger numbers teaches us a lot and you will be seeing a lot more of us soon.

 

[Danya]

Its not me crying, during those times i didn't come and moan everyday about how unbalanced rvr, but now well, you and your realm mates along with whinegard give us much amusment

LOL. Alb whines used to be so thick on this board you'd need a chainsaw to cut them.

 

[Xajorkith]

Hunters still have great distance, nearsight range is greater than thurgs pet casting distance.

Hunters are dead as soon as they un-stealth as they are killed by Scouts who they cannot reach.

Like every Mid/Hib has said before, OF was balanced, Mids had thier Melee, Hib had their casters, Albion had their Numbers and Stealthers. Albion could still compete with the best; this was reflected in the LWRP count which was roughly over the years 33% each. The relics aided Mid and Hib to compete against Albion.

In NF the Mid melee classes have all been made redundant, their archers for siege are poor, Hibernian numbers are too low. Albion has strong classes, Wizard, Sorcerer and Scout as well as having superior numbers.

Midgard and especially Hibernia struggle to compete. LWRP show a swing to Albion. The more Hibernia and Midgard get dicked the more that quit. I'm also sure more Albs have rejoined Albion because Albion is now FoTM. This compounds the problem.

I really do wish Albs would stop saying, “we were crap for two years and now our time has come so stop whining.”,

Look at the total RP table it shows Albion top with an 8% difference between top and bottom, it looks almost balanced to me?
Albion 1716735194 37%
Midgard 1602192904 34%
Hibernia 1369690127 29%

And look at last weeks RP Albion still top but with a huge 20% difference between top and bottom.
Albion 33923789 45%
Midgard 22452487 30%
Hibernia 19124639 25%

 

[Xone]

what is unbalanced with sos/bof: cleric, cleric, sorc, pally, theurg, minstrel, merc, merc?

It was unbalanced coz the clueless albs in exc didnt know how to use a grp like that.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

LOL - 2 classics.

It was balanced in OF -if you were a mid or hib it was fine. If you were in Alb with diluted classes and castable v instant it was far from fine.

Oh - and those same people that play Alb also play mid/hib btw. So when we select the other realms we suddenly become more skilled? Or did we all get brain transplants in 1.70 - because the same people who were so clueless pre 1.70 are kicking your ass with exactly thesame unadjusted characters and classes post 1.70

 

[Jergiot]

loss of GP made hibs abit koko^^

 

[Jergiot]

It was unbalanced coz the clueless albs in exc didnt know how to use a grp like that.

just like the clueless exc hibs are getting their asses handed to them 24/7, unlike the pryd hibs?

 

[Raven]

yes your 3x our number are really doing well, you may actually get past Nged this side of 1.72.

 

[Jergiot]

yes your 3x our number are really doing well, you may actually get past Nged this side of 1.72.

oh no dont worry, its the fg vs fg im talking about here. since RR quit u have nothing....

 

[Xajorkith]

LOL - 2 classics.

It was balanced in OF -if you were a mid or hib it was fine. If you were in Alb with diluted classes and castable v instant it was far from fine.

RP Stats showed it was balanced noob.... your numbers and stealthers compenstated. What you're wittering about is 1fg v 1fg which is NOT what DAoC is about, if you want that play that type of game go play 9 v 9 Counterstrike.

 

[Calo]

LOL - 2 classics.

It was balanced in OF -if you were a mid or hib it was fine. If you were in Alb with diluted classes and castable v instant it was far from fine.

Oh - and those same people that play Alb also play mid/hib btw. So when we select the other realms we suddenly become more skilled? Or did we all get brain transplants in 1.70 - because the same people who were so clueless pre 1.70 are kicking your ass with exactly thesame unadjusted characters and classes post 1.70

so what u think that is?

only albs have skilled players?
Or perhaps NF favors albion in a big way?

Oh btw, whole ur realm said they have been preparing on NF with rerolling sorcs etc.

 

[Hestethun]

I don't understand...

Albion has torched Hibernia, 11 Towers are in Albion hands, 2 Keeps are in Albion hands, 5 of the 7 teleports are closed.
So Hibernian take Avakr from the 8 or so Mids (out of a possible 17!) at 05:30 CET on a Sunday morning (such l33t skills!).

While Hibernia over many hours try and take Avakr and get repeatedly farmed, Albs gratefully take 2 more Hibernian towers and Hibernia losses two more teleports.

Hibernia has a relic, Midgard has none.

Soooo I'm confused..... why don't Hibernia take there own keeps back? Why do a 05:30 raid on Midgard? Weird.....

cuz its waste of time , alb zerg is so much huger then hib are. Albs have 110 at most attacking crim , we got 150 lvl 50ish on......all dosent want to rvr , cuz they find rvr poo xD

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

so what u think that is?

only albs have skilled players?
Or perhaps NF favors albion in a big way?

Oh btw, whole ur realm said they have been preparing on NF with rerolling sorcs etc.

How about now that classes are more equal, numbers actually matter. Or that casual players can partake in large scale battles unlike the OF perfect FG setup approach.

Only thing that Ab has as an advantage is numbers - which they had before. However the game design was such that it favoured small groups with a wide range of abilities - ie mid/hib.

 

[Danya]

It was balanced in OF -if you were a mid or hib it was fine. If you were in Alb with diluted classes and castable v instant it was far from fine.

Alb was fine pre-NF (and yes I did play alb - more than I played hib in fact). You were just too lame to be successful.

How about now that classes are more equal, numbers actually matter. Or that casual players can partake in large scale battles unlike the OF perfect FG setup approach.

LOL good one, how is outranging everyone else by miles "equal"?

 

[Ilienwyn]

And hib/mid is fine now, prove your skills!

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Alb was fine pre-NF (and yes I did play alb - more than I played hib in fact). You were just too lame to be successful.


LOL good one, how is outranging everyone else by miles "equal"?

So when we played Alb we were lame, but magically when we played hib/mid we became skilled.

Wow - invite me to your planet sometime.

 

[vintervargen]

So when we played Alb we were lame, but magically when we played hib/mid we became skilled.

Wow - invite me to your planet sometime.

why dont you stop hiding behind a FH name and start answering the questions instead?

 

[Brack]

Mid taken towers in Albion during the weekend: zero? Keep up the good work.

Edit: as for VGN, yea, they should've pulled the stunt in Albion, but guess they wanted a change.

we did try a few towers in Albion but it seemed even when their zerg was in emain they could still get enough to wipe us on the first tower real quickly!

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

why dont you stop hiding behind a FH name and start answering the questions instead?

I wasn't aware you had asked me a question - fire away.

 

[Danya]

So when we played Alb we were lame, but magically when we played hib/mid we became skilled.

Wow - invite me to your planet sometime.

No, you probably sucked in hib/mid too. I dunno for sure since I never played against you (that I know of).

Incidentally, plenty of albs on excal did fine even before NF; AD, BF, etc.

Don't forget - balanced means you lose half your fights, by that reckoning albs are not balanced atm.

 

[Vodkafairy]

We know how you feel, the resignation among the mids after getting fecked over with the double amount of albs for a week, made alot of mids simply quit. FoM lost many old timers and we have in no way recovered from it and this goes for all of Midgard. The biggest amount of mids I've managed to get after that is 120 mids and then I really really tried hard.

The key to success is to do the unexpected and do it coordinated. It only takes 1 FG to grab a lvl 10 tower fast so having several small teams moving around causing commotion and 1 big team for the retaking of keeps does work. Albs don't use much tactics when grabbing keeps, they're just ..... many. If you hit at more than 1 place at the same time they don't split the zerg, they retake it one at the time. Guilds like VGN could farm the alb zerg back to the stone age if they managed to get a tower at DC or Crim to lvl 10, and that would keep 'em occupied so that the more casual players can form a zerg and hit whichever keep/towers they want.

I would also urge you to get yer fellow hibbies to read the "siege warfare for dummies" post in the hib section of this forum. Albs are good at bringing siege whereas mids and hibs are not.

It was very coordinated. We brought shitloads of siege which was used in the right way. We did have gankgroups out intercepting inc, we did have several teams working together taking other towers. We just weren't enough, its that simple.. it came as a total surprise for albs because everyone moved to eras from scat, dived to the bottom and we swam to beno from there.

I tried really really hard to get 90-100 hibs, where albs got the same numbers together in 10 min, and a lot of high rr groups part of that zerg, using twf3 st3 on us.

 

[Raven]

To stop people QQing to much we moved the siege to Albion, we got insta zerged twice but in the end managed to take a tower and farmed the albs, we even had groups roaming outside killing, Hib is starting to work together at last. I just hope we can keep the momentum going.

On a side note, this is aimed at people from Hibernia, stop complaining that we take enemy towers/keeps, if you would rather sit around and wait for the enemy to come to us do so, but dont whine at us for taking the fight to them.

 

[Brack]

After u logged raven we got surs keep gate to 10% and very few hibs decided they would like to come help (1-2), seems they don't want a keep in enemy realms!

 

[Lothandar]

I could swear that when I was around Arvakr today I got zerged pretty well by Mids (20+ Mids there).
What is this "hidden" prizes stuff? Scouts are equal to hunters are equal to rangers, same with the assasins...

It iz a known fact that scout adds don't outnumber hunter and ranger adds by about 3 times, plus, they also don't do 700-900 damage critshots on chain classes.

 

[Cracked]

All i know is that Mid population dropped from ~650+ Primetime to ~350+ Primetime after we lost the relics. 300ppl on average stopped playing because they thought balance was shot to hell. That is a mayor blow to Mid. And it wasn't just FOTM's that quit, as Ardamel said alot of oldtimers quit playing.

The game wasn't blanced before but it sure is worse then ever. I logged on my SM a couple of days ago, i got to the closest bridge before a Wizzy spotted me. BAM 1040 dmg BAM 680 dmg Dead, über bolt's of doom. He was to far away to interupt and since the second bolt is in the air before the first 1 lands i didn't have a chance to run away. Needless to say, i logged right after. Balanced? Yeh right. uke:

 

[Glottis]

I love these QQ's.
Bloody priceless.
Mids and Hibs feeling the same way Albs have felt over the passed 2 years, and all they can do is quite...
I would advise you guys, like you advised Albs plenty of time, to learn how to play your classes....
Regards, Glottis :kissit:

 

[Cracked]

Better yet, Glottis. We become FOTM and roll a toon in Alb. CU in Alb!




oh btw what's the name of your scout? :wub:

 

[Bracken]

It was unbalanced coz the clueless albs in exc didnt know how to use a grp like that.

It was unbalanced because being able to compete once every 30 minutes when BoF and SoS were up meant the average player who can be on for 3 hours could get no more than 4 balanced fights in an evening.(30 minutes to an hour getting all the essential classes leaves you 2 hours actual play time). Add in to this the old relic situation and you'll start to get the picture. Oh and let's not start on how grapple helped Hib more than Alb shall we? Just because you are bitter about being on the receiving end now doesn't mean you should fail to engage brain when thinking what to type.

 

[Bracken]

Hib is starting to work together at last. I just hope we can keep the momentum going.

Hear hear!