We Need Mythic's POV

[tamtap]

In the past when the going gets tough and GoA fuck up we turn to mythic for some answers.

My Mythic I want some answers.

Excal has a problem with some players doing AC raids to the detrement of the server.

GoA do fuck all.

Ppl whine and compain (from all realms) on forums and guild boards.

GoA do fuck all.

The AC raids continue, people are getting seriously pissed off and not bothering to play to the detrement of the playerbase.

GoA do fuck all.

A bunch of albs decide to put the situation into the spotlight.

GoA fucks them.

Mythic maybe checkout all the 'woohoo usa servers' threads and realise there is a MAJOR problem this side of the pond.

And you want these muppets to run Warhammer and expect EU players to actually pay them money ?

Havent ever seen a mythic post here, maybe you just dont give a fuck about EU i dont know, but we do.

Tam

 

[trycorn]

In the past when the going gets tough and GoA fuck up we turn to mythic for some answers.

My Mythic I want some answers.

Excal has a problem with some players doing AC raids to the detrement of the server.

GoA do fuck all.

Ppl whine and compain (from all realms) on forums and guild boards.

GoA do fuck all.

The AC raids continue, people are getting seriously pissed off and not bothering to play to the detrement of the playerbase.

GoA do fuck all.

A bunch of albs decide to put the situation into the spotlight.

GoA fucks them.

Mythic maybe checkout all the 'woohoo usa servers' threads and realise there is a MAJOR problem this side of the pond.

And you want these muppets to run Warhammer and expect EU players to actually pay them money ?

Havent ever seen a mythic post here, maybe you just dont give a fuck about EU i dont know, but we do.

Tam

if u rly want mythic's answer why dont ya bloody write to them then ?? its not rly that hard, and ofc they dont check this forum as its a forum 4 EU Daoc witch they have GoA to take care of. they have plenty of stuff to worry about on their side of the pond...
write them and post ur answer here...

 

[chretien]

People aren't leaving due to AC raids. Some people are leaving because the grass is greener on busier servers and it's always been fotm to follow the herd. The vast majority of people aren't going anywhere (including a lot of people who posted 'ZOMG! I quit' threads).

It's a 24/7 game whether you or I like it or not.

Goa made the right call in a lot of people's eyes.

Mythic don't read these boards.

 

[wittor]

Some people are leaving because the grass is greener on busier servers

Duh, you can't blame them for that.
If you don't understand that the game/action is a lot better on a server with 2000 people then on a cluster with 600 people then I'm sorry.

Goa made the right call in a lot of people's eyes.

Yes we saw the poll results and the people really said it was the right call.

 

[Asha]

you hope.

 

[wittor]

^ don't stalk me

 

[Asha]

flim is going to fuss at you now.

it wasn't for you it was for chretien.

 

[Lethul]

I dont think Mythic mind that much, their playerbase on their own servers is only gonna get bigger while GOA is in charge in EU.

 

[chretien]

Duh, you can't blame them for that.
If you don't understand that the game/action is a lot better on a server with 2000 people then on a cluster with 600 people then I'm sorry.

Not saying I blame them and yes, I can see the attraction in playing on a busier server. I prefer to stay with my friends rather than moving because some other people are. Not sure what your point was here. I accept your apology though, I'll save it for the next time you say something stupid.

Yes we saw the poll results and the people really said it was the right call.

I didn't say everyone agreed, I said a lot of people agreed. If you read those threads again, you'll see a significant number of people arguing for that point of view. A lot of people also voted against TT and didn't post a comment.

 

[Soulja_IA_]

Think you wrong Cretin m8 lot of people are leaving because AC raids as they fed up with it as it now gone on far to long.

Grass may be greener on other side and that is why people are not cancelling subs and quitting game altogether but moving on either to Avalon or US servers as they found that the game is played on a more social server where realms seem to have a bigger respect for each other than Excal/Pryd do.

The game on this cluster has deteroited badly at 1st I thought it was down to summer holidays but numbers are not increasing they falling badly and Goa have never had much time for English servers in all time I played this game.

Shame they made a decision about TT for what they done TT got a lot support from all 3 realms in what they did but at end of day the few who do these AC raids have won they put the server in decline.

Soulja

 

[Gear]

In the past when the going gets tough and GoA fuck up we turn to mythic for some answers.

My Mythic I want some answers.

Excal has a problem with some players doing AC raids to the detrement of the server.

GoA do fuck all.

Ppl whine and compain (from all realms) on forums and guild boards.

GoA do fuck all.

The AC raids continue, people are getting seriously pissed off and not bothering to play to the detrement of the playerbase.

GoA do fuck all.

A bunch of albs decide to put the situation into the spotlight.

GoA fucks them.

Mythic maybe checkout all the 'woohoo usa servers' threads and realise there is a MAJOR problem this side of the pond.

And you want these muppets to run Warhammer and expect EU players to actually pay them money ?

Havent ever seen a mythic post here, maybe you just dont give a fuck about EU i dont know, but we do.

Tam

Beside the fact that you gave me a headache tryint to read your post, you can always send your feedback to mythic. Not that hard, I bet that even you can google it.

 

[wittor]

I accept your apology though

Rofl, for what ??
Not like I insulted you or anything.

 

[chretien]

Think you wrong Cretin m8 lot of people are leaving because AC raids as they fed up with it as it now gone on far to long.

Grass may be greener on other side and that is why people are not cancelling subs and quitting game altogether but moving on either to Avalon or US servers as they found that the game is played on a more social server where realms seem to have a bigger respect for each other than Excal/Pryd do.

The game on this cluster has deteroited badly at 1st I thought it was down to summer holidays but numbers are not increasing they falling badly and Goa have never had much time for English servers in all time I played this game.

Shame they made a decision about TT for what they done TT got a lot support from all 3 realms in what they did but at end of day the few who do these AC raids have won they put the server in decline.

Soulja

There's been what, 6 successful AC raids in the last year? Something like that, I've not been keeping count but it's hardly something that happens every week. If people get upset enough to leave over that, then I think the server will be better off without those few individuals to be honest.
People are leaving because people are leaving. it's always been the case and it always will be. People AC raid on all DAoC servers, it's not just something that happens on Pryd/Excal so leaving because of AC raids is like leaving because of Bainshees or because of buffbots or whatever. That's why i don't believe people are leaving for that reason.

 

[censi]

peeps get bored, they hear someone say US server rox. the RVR is pure pwn the yanks rox... we going US. They post on how great it is and they are lvl 29 already after 2 days play, and how theres 65943432 people on mid last night...

They get their toon ready. Go rvr. Oh its exactly the same but more people.

The problem with daoc is not the amount of people. Its the mentality of the people and the dynamics of the end game itself. (end game doesnt promote good play, and demote bad play. In fact its the other way around)

tbh 500 players primetime would suite me to a tee. no FG's prolly almost exclusivly soloers and small gimped mini groups with squidgy casters.

 

[Soulja_IA_]

There's been what, 6 successful AC raids in the last year? Something like that, I've not been keeping count but it's hardly something that happens every week. If people get upset enough to leave over that, then I think the server will be better off without those few individuals to be honest.
People are leaving because people are leaving. it's always been the case and it always will be. People AC raid on all DAoC servers, it's not just something that happens on Pryd/Excal so leaving because of AC raids is like leaving because of Bainshees or because of buffbots or whatever. That's why i don't believe people are leaving for that reason.

6 ????? think you not been paying a lot of attention to what people are saying when they mention AC (Alarm Clock) it not just Relics that is pissing people off it also the fact of keeps being AC at such an hour when the opposing realms are asleep and have no chance of defending keep which you love to do.Wish we could get the chance.

The AC is Relics/Keeps and btw the 6 Successful (This made me laugh rofl of course they be successful if 99% server is asleep) and 6 you say were 4 done by Albs I know Hib got it back not long ago and Mids stole the 1 we took from you Relic keep in a successful primetime raid.

This is root of problem while Hib seem to do a lot of primetime raids Albs have done AC Raids ending with attitude on Hib why do we bother as it monotinous and utterly boring so in End People just got fed up and decided to move and from responses of the people who are leaving they enjoying they servers.

I am living in hope this server picks up but with so many going to pastures new I think it need a dramitic change of peoples attitude.

Sorry to be so biased towards you chretien but after playing this game for over 4 years and been on endless Relic raids in OF where they were planned down last detail on how they done to NF and doing MRE events only to find that at end of day a small % then go and AC all you hard work it gets downheartening and this is what is probably led to a lot of guilds/people leaving this server.

Soulja

 

[Asha]

lets keep a rolling count next year... ha

 

[psyco]

let me just make a few points clear

Mythic are the game designers, and have no real link to EU servers

GoA host the EU servers, and bought the programming from Mythic... and cannot tamper with the game code(the barrel situation for instance)

as a result Mythic don't make patch's for the EU servers

Mythic probably don't even troll VNBoards or FH, and don't check the war map... ie they don't know whats happening to the game they designed

and tbh its a stalemate, mythic would say 'we only program the game, take it up with the server hosts' and goa will say 'we cant tamper with the programming, take it up with mythic'

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so back to the topic...

mythics PoV, they knew what they were getting into(people from different background and different schedules, whines and in game community fighting(not just RvR) are part of the territory)
GoA do fuck all... we, what would you like them to do, remember they cant change the game in ANY way

so now, my question to you, what, within there power, would you like to happen?

close down the server over night? now that's not really in the spirit of a MMO, and they loose the graveyard shift's subscription... so that's not gonna happen

close/moderate the forums? they don't own the webspace... so that's not gonna happen

more AC raid moanage... once again, counter productive to the servers

A bunch of albs decide to put the situation into the spotlight.

seriously, what CAN they do:-/ other than attempting to rule the world, and gag/dispose of anyone who dare speaks of DAoC... now that would be even worse for the game, cant even get our RL friends to play


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i agree we need some co-operation between Mythic<->GoA<->Customers, but really, after 5 years of that, its not happening its not going to happen any time soon...

the only real solution, is a EU cluster(all servers of the same types merged)
but then, that would only prolong the death of the servers... wanting a game that will never die is within the realms of science fiction
also we would have to deal with all those annoying germans/french players and they would have to put up with us

and as a servers life ends, theres nothing we can do - cept bite the bullet and re-roll/quit
how about they advertise? - once again it would only solve the problem for a short period of time

 

[Raven]

There's been what, 6 successful AC raids in the last year? Something like that, I've not been keeping count but it's hardly something that happens every week. If people get upset enough to leave over that, then I think the server will be better off without those few individuals to be honest.
People are leaving because people are leaving. it's always been the case and it always will be. People AC raid on all DAoC servers, it's not just something that happens on Pryd/Excal so leaving because of AC raids is like leaving because of Bainshees or because of buffbots or whatever. That's why i don't believe people are leaving for that reason.

cant be bothered to pick the post apart so here are my comments in no particuler order

its not the AC raids that people left over...if anything they help bring hib together as a realm. the whole attitude of most of the players here, which lets be honest is RPs over anything caused the end of my EU DAOC time.

excal/pryd are in crisis atm and GOA really aren't helping at all, this was a very delicate situation which needed defusing carefully but rather than that GOA took the easy option and suspended a bunch of accounts (even though they had said before that downgrading keeps was up to the keep owners) a warning should have been issued, both on here and on the GOA homepage, the CoC should have been altered to say exactly what the company line was in this very grey area. the whole keep releasing/downgrading business, whether it for was for iRvR or whatever should have been nipped in the bud early, not everyone wanted iRvR after all, wasn't releasing keeps that people had fought to defend/capture also against the "sotg" ? apparently not, goa had said in the past that it was fine.
yet again it comes down to GOA's inability to communicate with its player base (though i must say it has improved over the last couple of years, its not enough though)

as for reasons for moving? this was just the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people. with people increasingly only playing for the holy RP things were getting worse by the week. the pvp on excal/pryd is desperately poor, its either bridge camping, stealth zerging or tower humping, why would people that don't like that sort of rvr stay? you should be thankful that rather than quitting DAOC completely people are just moving servers for one last try at getting the pvp they want.

from my experience it isn't "a few individuals" leaving, i think we dinged 50 members the other night, which is probably around 75 EU accounts (assuming every other player has a buffbot)

Anyway, if people want a real reason for the decline of excal/pryd they need to look at their own play style, yes it may well be "as the game was intended etc" but a lot of people don't like that, don't be surprised if they get bored of feeding the zerg and go elsewhere.

 

[Raven]

People aren't leaving due to AC raids. Some people are leaving because the grass is greener on busier servers and it's always been fotm to follow the herd. The vast majority of people aren't going anywhere (including a lot of people who posted 'ZOMG! I quit' threads).

It's a 24/7 game whether you or I like it or not.

Goa made the right call in a lot of people's eyes.

Mythic don't read these boards.

i would also love to know where you are getting your information from, how would you know people haven't cancelled their auto renew/accounts, how would you know Mythic don't read these boards? it will take a few weeks to see what the true damage of GOA's latest balls up is but on a server with such a low population even the loss of 100 prime time players is a disaster. (see SH "ZOMG i quit" thread, also Celtic Llaw are 50+ strong now)

 

[Sharkith]

This is root of problem while Hib seem to do a lot of primetime raids Albs have done AC Raids ending with attitude on Hib why do we bother as it monotinous and utterly boring so in End People just got fed up and decided to move and from responses of the people who are leaving they enjoying they servers.

Soulja_IA,

its time to move your thinking on now you know what GOA define as the SoTG. My advice is that claiming honour and trying to do the right thing needs to be chucked out the window. Honour is fine for 1 vs 1 and 8 vs 8. Raise such questions to the realm level and you end up beating yourself up because the AC raiders will always beat you. Its like fighting with one arm tied behind your back. Your very brave but you will lose.

Anyway I have left this server. I certainly will not come back even though I have a decent character here and I could come back if I chose to. Why would I the server is unattractive and unappealing. Its becoming the backwater of the European game full of anti social people who had to have it their way.

There are a lot of people here who (largely) play in Albion that I dislike as a result of the posts and person slagging (through PM's) I have got over the last week. They are ignorant, give little thought for the people they are playing against. I do not want to share any more time with people like that than I have to. I also do not want to talk to them either on this board. You don't have to either Soulja_IA I would advise you to consider leaving it at that mate.

As for this cluster things might seem ok at the start of the week - I saw the numbers last night 400 on Excal and 200 on pryd. That combined total is lower than Pryd was pre cluster. Don't kid yourselves that it is fine. Some of you have played a very narrow game for a long time just because it is fine on your side of the fence doesn't mean it is not shit on the other.

Moving to Avalon is an act of self preservation. Cretien misses the mark significantly I did not simply follow people I moved with them together to preserve our game. We did not leave solely because of the AC raids. We left because many of us just don't like some of the poeple who play here and we don't like them dictating our game experience.

We have TT in our guild and they will shortly be forming their own guild as part of a new NFD Alliance. The Marsh Horde already have a new guild there in the new Alliance. Like I said Soulja_IA don't beat yourself up.

Leave the tumbleweeds to roll and leave it. Let it rest. Avalon will have its own section soon. We can post there. From now on I am staying in the general section once I have finsihed my contribution in that very long GOA response thread.

Sharkith

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Such a constructive post and so elaborated, I envy you tamtap.

 

[Jupiter]

only thing i fear is that somewhere down the line in the not too distant future they will cluster (Ex/Pry) the cluster (with some euro server) and have no english speaking server and we will have these dickheads back with us... the doin it with classic already........

 

[AngelHeal]

Goa made the right call in a lot of people's eyes.

Yes they did, if 20 count as many, and the other 500 don't.

Mythic don't read these boards.

....now how can that be a good thing?

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I woudn't read FH boards either as a developer. Don't see nothing wrong with it, why would you want to contaminate your work with so much shit you can read here... .

CCP does it in EVE, host their own forums and read and post there. Can't say it helped much. Each time the carebears screamed the game got fucked up or certain parties with a different playstyle screwed.

 

[klasa]

People aren't leaving due to AC raids. Some people are leaving because the grass is greener on busier servers and it's always been fotm to follow the herd. The vast majority of people aren't going anywhere (including a lot of people who posted 'ZOMG! I quit' threads).

It's a 24/7 game whether you or I like it or not.

Goa made the right call in a lot of people's eyes.

Mythic don't read these boards.

I just left because of it, there are at least a couple of posts on the hib section that suggest the same. Keep to facts pelase

 

[Sharkith]

I woudn't read FH boards either as a developer. Don't see nothing wrong with it, why would you want to contaminate your work with so much shit you can read here... .

CCP does it in EVE, host their own forums and read and post there. Can't say it helped much. Each time the carebears screamed the game got fucked up or certain parties with a different playstyle screwed.

You never answered my post on this. Eve subscriptions up over 100% in just over a year - are DAOC subscriptions going up at the same rate?

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

You never answered my post on this. Eve subscriptions up over 100% in just over a year - are DAOC subscriptions going up at the same rate?

(On what?)

The success of EVE lies within the unique position the game has on the market, it is a niche, no real competition in the Sci-Fi-Spaceships-Genre. It is single sharded (well, two shards, one in China too), allowing a better (political) immersion and it's far more player driven than most other games, you don't like someone there, you can ruin his (in game) life and if he wants to avoid it he has to stay in a noob corp with some limitations. Also the skilling system allows a more causal gaming. Once you have some funds, you can just stop playing but you still advance in the game if you just log in to change a skill. Furthermore the technology is quite nice, SQL clustered DB and so on, they seem to be able to scale it very nicely with the growing population.

On the forums though, I remember Pann, the first community manager of CCP, she was the worst community manager I ever saw, thank god she has been either replaced with Kieron or she left. The forums are moderated by CCP fan boys aka volounteers and not professional mods, also you can't speak about GM decisions on them, use of irony or sarcasm in connection with discussions about the game design ends up in a warning and post deletion. I find the dev blogs more interesting than the forums.

I got a warning on Molly because I was killing people in Yulai and other 1.0 systems and they said I did so unhindered and because of that I exploited the sprit of the game as it wasn't intended for anyone to be able to kill people thereand to survive in 1.0. I documented then how I wasn't able to do it unhindered but they didn't care. They also didn't care that it was just possible to kill someone with a BS and survive Concord fire and flee being jammed to come back later when the aggression was gone. So I don't like to see CCP as the holy grail of something in comparison to EVE, they are fully of hypocrite carebear shit and TomB is the biggest one .

At some point I owned a site called www.eve-offline.de with some fancy stuff like a convo of a m0o member with a GM that he podded, they wanted the corpse back.

Also, on the subscriptions, the top notch and hardcore players moved away from the game a long time ago, what's left are 25k sheeps who consider 20 vs 1 a good fight and smacktalk you in local if they can't get you or say good fight when they got you. The rest of the decent players joined some big corps to hide within them and their allies, there are very little parties that fight against all.

I stopped to play it when my PC broke up and while I waited for a new DSL line (2 months break) while rebuilding SPVD :-/. I just don't see me doing anything there I haven't done already in 2003/2004, I am for sure not interested in player owned stations or capital fleet warfare.

Was my golden MMORPG time though, ruling a server with 7k people with a crew of 30 pilots in an unique way that got us only respect from enemies and friends, that were the times. Was even allied with Jericho in the very first Venal Alliance, Jade can you tell stories about that .

 

[Tuppe]

Mythic don't read these boards.

well, this is wrong, here have been atleast 1 post from sanya.
they read, how often? different question.

 

[Sharkith]

it's far more player driven than most other games, you don't like someone there, you can ruin his (in game) life and if he wants to avoid it he has to stay in a noob corp with some limitations.

Was even allied with Jericho in the very first Venal Alliance, Jade can you tell stories about that .

I had no clue you had been in that game for so long! It tells me a lot about your attitude though because you are very uncompromising when you post and that fits Eve better than DaoC in my book. Explains you a lot - I often wondered what people here would make of the nutcases over there on the Eve forums?

I accept CCP is no angel (warp to 0?)! Something is going right for them though.

Another thing to do would be to compare the games rather than the companies and there might be hints at how DaoC could be improved. I would start with player control and try to give people more of it in the frontier perhaps? GOA's perspective exposes a weakness in DaoC a flaw in the Realm versus Realm SoTG. Why I was so dissappointed was that if we could have been allowed some freedom in the game we might have been able to move beyond the style dispute. Sadly that is not going to be the case.

It is better to just move on. Part of moving on for me involves starting to ask harder questions about why New frontiers is so fucked up and how we could speak to Mythic about this.

 

[Tilda]

well, this is wrong, here have been atleast 1 post from sanya.
they read, how often? different question.

Link?