warlockzerg ruined all soloing/duoing?

[majik]

Abortion on monkeys should be made mandatory to be honest.
Even a mentally retarded ant has a higher IQ than you
Next you are going to say a lvl 40 warlock is perfectly entitled to gank an rr5 ml9 moc3 sorc just cause the sorc can gank you...
Well, as horrible as it may sound, a BD can also gank a lot of solo players, or a nice uber buffed SM + pet....
Don't get a brain transplant, just end it Majik. Do not prolong your suffering, and the rest of the world.
Regards, Glottis

lvl 50 Sorceress RR4

Not got SoI mate? Oh dear.

 

[majik]

pbaoe with an intercepting pet >> pbaoe without

though being able to stun someone then pbaoe them is nice too.

Lifetap with an intercepting pet > Pbaoe with an intercepting pet.

I don't see the point of ze ubor pbae when stealing hps back is more useful.

 

[majik]

Doesnt this apply to sorcs too? If a sorc kills 3 tanks?

It does.

It isn't the sorcs fault, its the retards at mythic who are to blame. However my whole point in this thread is, the warlock is overpowered and is being nerfed. However a sorceror is overpowered and is NOT being nerfed.

Summary: To all the albs whining about warlocks, stfu whining and try playing against a rr5+ ml9+ fully toa'd sorc.

 

[majik]

I don't know why I'm justifying this reply with a response because you clearly haven't read anything I've been saying, example:

Next you are going to say a lvl 40 warlock is perfectly entitled to gank an rr5 ml9 moc3 sorc just cause the sorc can gank you...

I haven't once mentioned what a character is entitled to attack and what it is not entitled to attack.

If all you can do is jump into a thread and randomly throw insults like a 12 year old child who got pushed out of the dinner queue and tell the forum what my own next words are going to be and quote me out of context, it's time you grew up.

This thread has been mature discussion, shame you can't participate in it really.

 

[Blazor Meneth]

The End!

 

[Ging]

lol Marc @ your reference to films fisharms in your sig - funnything was i though the exact same thing about the Lime Green plate wearing fish with bright red hair when i 1st saw him

I play a very soon to be fotm spec RR5 ML9 MoC3 sorc, but im a shit player so that balences it out. Rarley do i play "perfectly" and use all the toys I have to their fullest, I used to solo but gave up after the perma ganking I got from Kesa.

IMO SM > Sorc anyday. I've only experienced a few encounters against warlock's - mostly instadeath from Aimster (/Hug).

OP'ness is always situational, to my inf SM's are pretty much unattackable and i'd love to see the intercepting pet nerfed. If i see a warlock 1st he will generally die as in the 2 sec or so it takes him to load chambers he will be dead (lifetap 500+ crit), the times Aimster has instakilled me has been when i was completly unaware of him, warlocks can unload a shit load of dmg instantly and even so after the nerf they will still be able to instakill casters, but catch them first they die like any other caster. Unfortuantly to the current OP thinking they are generally targeted 1st and therefore in my case are the base target for mezz/debuff/nuke.

could go on but luch time running out.....

 

[Hawkwind]

Agree... Better give SB's some luuve, Hunter's same range as scouts and a pet-spam-class......

Hope rangers and scouts would get to do dmg of hunter melee to?

 

[Dorin]

hehehehahhahahah the debuff dd... hehahahhahah!

maybe just maybe post 1.75b it'll last long enough to be worth casting over the baseline if you're going to be nuking them for 30 seconds....

though actually re-reading that it says they have "useful ranged DD" or "debuff dd" which is true, the baseline is useful (and the debuff isn't)

hahah debuff dd was referring to the enchanter

haha you owned yourself :!)))

So, my point was "not sucky ranged dd's like supp sm, thanks to same spec for pbae and dd" and debuff dd "chanter heat debuff in mana line and baseline dd"

didnt say anything else, just pointed out as ranged nuker from the 3 pbaers sm is the worst IF IF IF pbae spec we are talkin of.

 

[wittor]

so what u ur pet makes up for the rest !

 

[Aeoric]

Lets just look at the two classes for a moment.

Warlock - if you survive its chambered spells it is very weak and you almost certainly kill it.

LoL - if you survive. And we are not talking about fully TOA'd, fully ML'd,
High RR Warlocks here. Just any old FOTM noob.

Sorceror - you attack it for 10 damage per hit for 30 seconds with a pet on you hitting for 700 damage.

If he has a pet (if any Templars left/yellow con), If he is RR5, If he is ML9

By no means 'the norm', and as Flim (I think) said, takes MUCH longer than
24 hours to achieve.

A sorceror can kill any good tank.

See: RA Charge, any ranged insta-dd/interrupt, sprint

A warlock might be able to kill a good tank, dependant upon ip3 etc.

31% matter , Aimstar hits you for 702,550,550,465 + random trap @ brynja = dead merc with 2420hp in 1-1.5sec sec

[20:07:21] <Aim^^> killed xandro, amenion and some rr4 armsman once
[20:07:38] <Aim^^> think they all were dead in less than 6 secs, counting from when xandro died, which was pretty much insta

....errr no. I think you'll find that they can (not might) do a lot worse.

A sorceror can almost kill any good mage, dependant on ns.
A warlock can almost kill any good mage, dependant on ns, stun.

qc-baseline stun, debuff, nuke, nuke works well for Hib casters vs Sorc, a
chance they wouldn't get vs Warlock because they'd be eating grass like
Daisy.

A warlock can almost kill any (thing).

Comparing them is not ridiculous, however the fact that these two characters were implemented to be so overpowered is ridiculous.

Lets say Sorc gets mezz off - on a heavy tank - he'd have to nuke 4-6
times (assuming Sorc is TOA'd) to kill the Tank - this assumes the tank
remains in range/doesn't charge the Sorc and interrupt.

Ok, now lets do the same with a Warlock.
Unload Chamber#1
Unload Chamber#2
<dead tank>

Watch the nerfbat come, watch it do a half-arsed job of nerfing such a
stupidly o/p class, still wtfpwn anything u see. Perhaps you will have to
use 3 chambers instead of 2.. boo hoo, what difference does it make, they
will just retreat back from the parapets they are tied to by their fotm
(no risk, high reward, /easymode) leash, reload chambers and be ready to
go again.

Don't worry - nerfbat will be coming for the Vamp and Bainshee soon too.
(and Heretic I suppose). Don't think they will touch the Thane Mk2

 

[Platin]

Doesnt this apply to sorcs too? If a sorc kills 3 tanks?

Yes! and if a sorc kills 3 rr3+ mid casters - reroll ST or quit fellas!

 

[rales]

:touch:

 

[Flimgoblin]

hahah debuff dd was referring to the enchanter

haha you owned yourself :!)))

So, my point was "not sucky ranged dd's like supp sm, thanks to same spec for pbae and dd" and debuff dd "chanter heat debuff in mana line and baseline dd"

didnt say anything else, just pointed out as ranged nuker from the 3 pbaers sm is the worst IF IF IF pbae spec we are talkin of.

my original quote

though being able to stun someone then pbaoe them is nice too.

That covers enchanters and eldritches..

pbaoe with an intercepting pet >> pbaoe without

That covers SMs...

that's 3 pbaoe specs

Probably right to just completely forget about ice wizards, who are basically just a crap version of the other realms pbaoers.

 

[majik]

Aeoric, you don't seem to understand something I haev said 5 or more times.

Warlocks are overpowered and are being corrected, sorcerors are overpowered and aren't being corrected. Basically I'm tired of explaining my views to each and every person in this thread and I will stop doing so because none of you muppets have the power of comprehension.

Albs are whining about the warlock at the moment because we have a class that is comparable to the sorceror, my involvement in this thread was to point out that is is extremely hypocritical to whine about warlocks when your realm has the sorceror.

And frankly it's boring by now anyway.

I can't be arsed comparing sorcerors to warlocks anymore because they are both overpowered and I need nothing to prove this, if you want to talk about any other aspects then I will kindly oblige but I have better things to do than repeat myself 20 times for the people who can't read.

Maji

 

[Calo]

cool

warlocks do make albs cry more

 

[Skilgannon]

Aeoric, you don't seem to understand something I haev said 5 or more times.

Warlocks are overpowered and are being corrected, sorcerors are overpowered and aren't being corrected. Basically I'm tired of explaining my views to each and every person in this thread and I will stop doing so because none of you muppets have the power of comprehension.

Albs are whining about the warlock at the moment because we have a class that is comparable to the sorceror, my involvement in this thread was to point out that is is extremely hypocritical to whine about warlocks when your realm has the sorceror.

And frankly it's boring by now anyway.

I can't be arsed comparing sorcerors to warlocks anymore because they are both overpowered and I need nothing to prove this, if you want to talk about any other aspects then I will kindly oblige but I have better things to do than repeat myself 20 times for the people who can't read.

Maji

You are missing some saliant points.

Yes, the sorceror is way overpowered and needs some adjustment. But in order to get to the OP state requires levelling to 50, doing MLs, doing artis and getting RR5.

The warlock involves getting to 50. Easy for any old fotm noob these days.

If, for warlocks to be at their current power, they required several months or more effort then there wouldn't be as much whine.

Warlocks have been nerfed and, according to a hastily pulled post on VN, more nerfs are inc. I have no doubt changes to sorcerors will come at some point aswell. In the meantime, players cannot roll a sorc and be overpowered by lunchtime the next day.

 

[Kami]

Instant a sorc hits 50 he's OP, doesn't have to do ML or artis although they just make the character even more OP.

 

[Zzang]

just give warlocks same rr5 ra as sorc!

 

[Thorwyn]

Instant a sorc hits 50 he's OP, doesn't have to do ML or artis although they just make the character even more OP.

Care to tell us what´s so op about a lvl 50 RR1 Sorc without MoC, ML9 and SoI?

 

[Aeoric]

Aeoric, you don't seem to understand something I haev said 5 or more times.

Ok - let me put it this way. You are trying to compare a Warlock with a Sorc


Put yourself in the position of a

i) Lev 50 Sorc, RR1, ML0, RoG armour
ii) Lev 50 Sorc, RR5+, ML10, TOA'd

a) Lev 50 Warlock, RR1, ML0 RoG armour
b) Lev 50 Warlock, RR5+, ML10, TOA'd


And compare either vs a Charging light tank for example.

Sorc mezzes @ 1850wu
Tank sprints through it
Sorc lifetaps perhaps twice before tank closes
i) -- RR1 Sorc dies
ii) -- RR5 Sorc hits SoI, can't cast or SoI drops immediately
(~30 secs pass)
ii) -- RR5 Sorc dies


Warlock spots Charging Tank
Warlock waits
Warlock laughs
Warlock checks his d/l's
Warlock tells a joke on /as
Tanks closes to 300wu
b) -- Lets the Tank hit on him a bit, just to raise his hopes a little

a) -- Warlock obliterates Tank
b) -- Warlock obliterates Tank, add's powerless spreadheal to add insult to injury
Warlock finishes joke whilst re-loading chambers. /dismisses Tank corpse
Tank /releases
Tank /whines on FH

====

Sorry but your argument is flawed. I understand you are saying the Warlock
is O/P and needs nerfing (we all know this). You are saying the Sorc is also
equally O/P - which is nonsense. The Sorc and Cabb are the High Util
casters of Albion, I notice you don't mention the ability to (baseline ffs!)
stun your opponent, debuff him and nuke him - which of course is perfectly
fair and just.

I'd really like you to explain (in game terms) how you would InstaWin if you
were playing a Sorc.

 

[Shafu]

Care to tell us what´s so op about a lvl 50 RR1 Sorc without MoC, ML9 and SoI?

Damage output is too high compared to all the utility they have. Sorcs should have crappy offensive spells like DoTs and 3.0 second baseline DDs. Lifedrains are just too much.

edit: forgot to say that, yes, warlocks are OP, but I have not played one, or against one, so I cant say how much. The inc nerf should be a step in the right direction though.

 

[Thorwyn]

Damage output is too high compared to all the utility they have. Sorcs should have crappy offensive spells like DoTs and 3.0 second baseline DDs. Lifedrains are just too much.

erm... so tell me why SM´s should have lifedrain and Sorcerers shouldn´t, looking at their utility... mezz, root, debuff, dd, lifedrain.

Yes, I agree, Sorcerers with all the ML and RR fancy stuff are op (just like Warlocks are). But a calling a naked RR1 Sorc op is just ridiculous.

 

[Shafu]

Mainly because SMs lack speed and bolt range. (and for the record I think pet intercept is OP, it should be nerfed much like cabby pet stun was nerfed)

 

[Huntingtons]

Care to tell us what´s so op about a lvl 50 RR1 Sorc without MoC, ML9 and SoI?

the baseline lifetap with too high dmg? ;o

 

[Vodkafairy]

I'd really like you to explain (in game terms) how you would InstaWin if you
were playing a Sorc.

soi doesn't break on casting, so they can just moc and lifetap while being nearly melee immune. also, they can str debuff the tank and qc root after charge duration is over to get to max range

1500 range + 10% spellrange will give you 4-5 nukes before the tank is in range again. and by that time - mez immunity has faded so you can qc remez

- also why the hell do you bring in debuff/stun when comparing a warlock to a sorc? seriously

if the stun was specline you would whine all the same. and the debuffnuking is the only advantage a chanter has, because they have absolutely no utility whatsoever except a pet. caba has a LOT more util, and better dmg / survivability aswell because of the lifetap

no offence, but you should really get your facts straight before calling other peoples arguments flawed.

 

[Kami]

Care to tell us what´s so op about a lvl 50 RR1 Sorc without MoC, ML9 and SoI?

want to tell me what's not OP about a bolt range AOE CC class with speed, pet and obscene lifetap damage hitting every second?

 

[Ging]

want to tell me what's not OP about a bolt range AOE CC class with speed, pet and obscene lifetap damage hitting every second?

erm dude i cast -1 sec on LT so please get it right - worked bloody hard to get it that way as well!!!

 

[Brylle Madness]

Who is this majik anyway?

 

[Teheron]

If, for warlocks to be at their current power, they required several months or more effort then there wouldn't be as much whine.

This is just bs, it doesnt matter if it takes alot of time or not to be op. If a class in any way is op there will always be whine. and lets face it if a class can be op there will always be alot of ppl whos ready to spend all this time to get there...

 

[Dorin]

insta chambered vs moc lajftappid round2 comin up