Politics US Election 2020

[Gwadien]

@Scouse so who or what regulates Twitter? Unless you think it should be a completely open platform with absolutely no administration?

 

[Deebs]

Worth a read

Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

Suspension of @realDonaldTrump

blog.twitter.com

 

[BloodOmen]

View: https://youtu.be/6NtMZGp-Jlo

 

[Deebs]

Go on


View: https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1347876523991322631

 

[BloodOmen]

Go on


View: https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1347876523991322631

Saw that this morning, was laughing pretty hard tbh.

 

[Deebs]

lol




View: https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1347742976244555779

 

[Deebs]

Oh dear...


View: https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1347853642179743746

 

[DaGaffer]

Again. Not what I asked you to consider.

Leave Trump and the current situation out of it - I gave a theoretical scenario to consider so we can remove current emotions from the question.

Like I've said, this isn't about Trump. It's about structures and power and who should get to weild it.

You can't leave Trump out of the current situation; you have to compare the actual threat from Trump's behaviour on social media, versus the hypothetical threat from Trump being banned from social media. The man fomented insurrection against his own country ffs. Getting kicked off Twitter is just about the mildest thing that should be happening to him.

I get what your saying about the unfettered power of Twitter and Facebook, but we should be dealing with that issue using anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws anyway; if two or three companies weren't in such total control of things we'd all be better off for multiple reasons, not just because of the threat from OrangeMan's gobshite followers.

 

[Job]

Have you ever consideted to actually think about how much the tech companies know about you, they know your deepest thoughts, your exact location..your interests..every comment..every browse...when you sleep, the noise levels on your house, your moods, your friends, your enemies, whenyou have the lights on, where you travel..the people you meet up with, increasingly your health, your wealth, where you shop..the clothes you wear, how long you shop..the roads you go down, if your youre having an affair..your sexuality...your hobbies..who you follow and how involved you are in comments..what pleases you..what annoys you and your political stance.

And you dont think this is aproblm wgen they are openly attacking opinion and debate, cancelling sites for violence while ignoring the same on sites with their political ideology.

Google could purge the entire right wing online presence in minutes, start a campaign against them and hand over everything they know to the authorities in a context designed to convict.

And you ust say...they can do what they want.

 

[Tay]

They are banning everything, removing parlor, shutting down all reddit subs, next will be a youtube purge.

Half the country who voted for him are watching the establishment that they despise and used Trump as a calling point against them, shutting down his and their voice.
The entire system is now of no use to half of America, I dont see this going very well while millions are losing their jobs and the 1% are now drowning in banknotes.

Trump is an absolute fucktard, from who has the biggest button to inciting terrorist acts to sheer fucktardiness regarding corona and every degree between. He has only done one thing bigger since being elected... he is truly the biggest baddest loser in the entire world without exception.

Out of 300 million people, Biden and Trump were the best they could get ^^

That is a fucking travesty.

 

[Tay]

OK freddies. we all know @Job's a knobber but this:
Has some merit.

Some merit, mind. It's not 100% bob-on but it's thematically reasonable.

I know Trump "deserves" it but does the fact that it's actually been done to the current President of the USA (that title still means something) who did indeed receive a lot of votes (whether you think all his / republican supporters are dumb/sheep or not), not give anyone else pause for thought?

I know it's immediately gratifying but in the grand scheme of things that shows an incredible amount of power in undemocratic hands.

Consider the theoretical scenario: you voted for someone who you think is right but they narrowly lose. They espose a correct but obviously unpopular viewpoint and their voice / ability to talk directly to their supporters is removed by a couple of zuckerberg-types who only seek profit.

You wake up the day after the vote and that discussion is over. Not for you, of course, but the realistic possibility of furthering the argument for something you fervently believe is correct has been severely set back and you feel this harms you, democracy and everyone in the country - as you feel the majority have made a mistake (brexit-like).

But it's over. You've been shut down.

Should corporations have the decision making power to decide what's allowable? In a very real way that makes them master.

Most presidents would use the media the way it should be used, but he continually exploited, threatened, blamed them for fake news, excluded them, belittled them, bullied them, but when they bite back its a problem? He hasnt got what he deserves yet, but I truely hope its coming.

 

[Tay]

Have you ever consideted to actually think about how much the tech companies know about you, they know your deepest thoughts, your exact location..your interests..every comment..every browse...when you sleep, the noise levels on your house, your moods, your friends, your enemies, whenyou have the lights on, where you travel..the people you meet up with, increasingly your health, your wealth, where you shop..the clothes you wear, how long you shop..the roads you go down, if your youre having an affair..your sexuality...your hobbies..who you follow and how involved you are in comments..what pleases you..what annoys you and your political stance.

And you dont think this is aproblm wgen they are openly attacking opinion and debate, cancelling sites for violence while ignoring the same on sites with their political ideology.

Google could purge the entire right wing online presence in minutes, start a campaign against them and hand over everything they know to the authorities in a context designed to convict.

And you ust say...they can do what they want.

And? people have invited these devices in to their houses, its fully opt in. I heard a great news report several weeks back when Google had an outage, some bloke said he had to sit with his child in their room in the dark because he couldnt turn the lights on... that there just seals the debate about the gene pool being weakened beyond repair.

Dont put anything on an electronic device that you dont want people to see. After 30years in IT that is my big takeaway.

People that can't think for themselves deserve big tech, its pretty much that simple.

 

[Tay]

What? A bunch of private online social media platforms removing a tyrant from their platforms for inciting violence and insurrection against the world's most powerful democracy?

/me runs off to get a tinfoil hat before @Scouse tells me that worldwide censorship from companies is inbound.

The problem with those orgs is that they are only big enough for their owners Ego's.

And, the small fact Trump doesnt have time or people to do anything about it.

 

[Jupitus]

Well... looks like good old Pie wants his say in our chat:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO7paBcllck

 

[Scouse]

I get what your saying about the unfettered power of Twitter and Facebook, but we should be dealing with that issue using anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws anyway; if two or three companies weren't in such total control of things we'd all be better off for multiple reasons, not just because of the threat from OrangeMan's gobshite followers.

I knew the point would land somewhere

 

[Scouse]

And? people have invited these devices in to their houses, its fully opt in.

No it isn't.

If you don't have a mobile phone in your house at a very minimum you are both socially and professionally excluded.

He does have a point. One we were all getting our knickers in a twist about 20 years ago - but can't care about now because it's ubiquitous and refusal to partake could be argued is an act of self harm.

 

[Scouse]

Well... looks like good old Pie wants his say in our chat:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO7paBcllck

Called it.

 

[Job]

Well he has mentioned starting his own twitter platform and also Trump tv has been discussed for some time.
Of course then they'll go after the ISPs to get them removed from the internet and that leads me to Musk, now the richest man on the planet with his satellite network, he joined Trumps team for a short while.
Moved his companies to Texas, will he give Trump safe haven on a network the world can access?

 

[Raven]

I doubt it. Why would he?

 

[Gwadien]

Well he has mentioned starting his own twitter platform and also Trump tv has been discussed for some time.
Of course then they'll go after the ISPs to get them removed from the internet and that leads me to Musk, now the richest man on the planet with his satellite network, he joined Trumps team for a short while.
Moved his companies to Texas, will he give Trump safe haven on a network the world can access?

IIRC

Musk joined Trump as an member of a board of businesses.

It seemed to be Musk (& others) saying business as usual, but again, if I recall correctly Musk with many others left that board after realising Trump was a bit of a nutter.

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1347952656652902402


They seriously believed that the president and the anti deep state forces were going to join them and free the world from the pedocracy in some glorious event that would be remembered for all time.

Tragic really. I'd be sympathetic of they weren't mostly anti Semites.

 

[Wij]

 

[Job]

Regardless you celebrating big tech closing down trump and conservatism.
The democrats are not idiots and all the politicians are well aware of the undemocratic power of those who control and abuse the internet and tealuse that power can turn on them in a second.

House: Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Google have “monopoly power,” should be split

Blockbuster report calls for beefing up enforcement and aiming for breakups.

arstechnica.com

They do need to die...they must be crushed or they will cause ww3.

 

[Embattle]

So firstly let's clear up Elon, besides being a overwhelming prat he has the highest net worth simply because of the massively overinflated share price of Tesla. Secondly when you consider the audience for his products he isn't likely to team up with Trump on anything.

The breaking up of companies isn't something new in the US with Standard Oil, AT&T, etc so it isn't a surprise that the tech companies are being discussed now.

 

[Wij]

Regardless you celebrating big tech closing down trump and conservatism.
The democrats are not idiots and all the politicians are well aware of the undemocratic power of those who control and abuse the internet and tealuse that power can turn on them in a second.

House: Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Google have “monopoly power,” should be split

Blockbuster report calls for beefing up enforcement and aiming for breakups.

arstechnica.com

They do need to die...they must be crushed or they will cause ww3.

Facebook and Google certainly need to be regulated more and are too unaccountable for what they do. That is a separate issue from whether those who incite lawbreaking can be banned or not.

 

[Gwadien]

So firstly let's clear up Elon, besides being a overwhelming prat

Why is he an overwhelming prat? I think out of all the billionaires out there he's probably the coolest.

And he has the coolest companies.

As opposed to sweatshop Bezos.

 

[Embattle]

Why is he an overwhelming prat? I think out of all the billionaires out there he's probably the coolest.

And he has the coolest companies.

As opposed to sweatshop Bezos.

You mean other than the pointless submersible and the following argument, the SEC dispute, Covid and assorted other Tweets.

 

[Tay]

No it isn't.

If you don't have a mobile phone in your house at a very minimum you are both socially and professionally excluded.

He does have a point. One we were all getting our knickers in a twist about 20 years ago - but can't care about now because it's ubiquitous and refusal to partake could be argued is an act of self harm.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree, in my view thats a sad indictment of life in todays society if people buy into the entire "you must be connected or be excluded '.

 

[Tay]

They should not be, nor should they ever have been used for official messaging full stop.

I completely agree with his bans...

In essence I 100% agree, however, where there is money there is influence and control. Social media, mainstream media, whatever, its all biased to some degree. I mentioned earlier that some of the people at the top of these social media system have equally as large ego's.. actually thats not quite true, Trump's ego is unmatched, cept for maybe Elon Musk.

I dont think they should be on there at all, but you cant include the 'Press' and exclude Social media.

 

[Tay]

Free Speech

xkcd.com

Indeed, I'm all for free speech, but it's not without consequence.