United States Corrupt Twattery

[Gwadien]

Simply, when you make an extremely unlikely..in fact undoable campaign promise, then u turn on it with some other bullshit explanation...you have lied twice.
Trump lied once..in fact, he's getting away with no lies.
'Ahh..it was good at the time..but who cares now'.
It is not post truth...this is the real truth.

I'm still getting super confused with what you're saying.

So you think it's a good thing that he's said 'I'm doing to you what all the other politicians have done to you, as a way to get at them'?

 

[DaGaffer]

No, true, but they still were a political opponent based upon the colour of their skin.

Hitler was a catalyst between 19th century empire building where there were no rules to late 20th century liberalism where political correctness reigns, it's ridiculous to suggest that Hitler was solely responsible for the crimes against humanity prior and during ww2.

No they weren't; unless Boers are magically non-white all of a sudden (which would be hilarious)

 

[Tom]

it's ridiculous to suggest that Hitler was solely responsible for the crimes against humanity prior and during ww2.

He was the man at the top, who gave himself complete power over the state and military. The buck stopped with him.

 

[Talivar]

There is no doubt he was a monster but the question for me is why is he the only monster from WW2 we really speak of, Surely there should be more talk of Stalin and even the Americans for dropping nukes on cities

 

[Tom]

Because Stalin's activities were hidden from view. What the Americans did in Japan wasn't racially motivated, it was to end a war someone else started.

 

[Talivar]

But its not as clear cut as that because didn't Stalin kinda start the war as Allie to Hitler? and didnt America sell Germany the weapons they used at the start of the war?

 

[Gwadien]

But its not as clear cut as that because didn't Stalin kinda start the war as Allie to Hitler? and didnt America sell Germany the weapons they used at the start of the war?

According to GCSE mainstream education, the USSR are amazing people between 1919-1945, but before and after that, they're awful terrible people. No really.

 

[Tom]

But its not as clear cut as that because didn't Stalin kinda start the war as Allie to Hitler? and didnt America sell Germany the weapons they used at the start of the war?

IIRC Stalin and Hitler had a deal to split Poland in two, until Hitler decided to invade Russia.

 

[Wij]

The USSR was a terrible place since its inception and Hitler and Stalin had a pact but they weren't really allies. I'm sure there's a decent article about it on Wikipedia.

 

[gohan]

Yeah that's basically the gist. Russia was worse than Germany, but was at least equal in its foul treatment of every citizen. Pacts were made cos Hitler feared Russia, pacts were broken and Russia ended up with a hell of a lot more than half of Poland because, well the alies feared Russia too. Kinda like right now tbh. Lots of political and strategical simularities right now

 

[Ctuchik]

Simply, when you make an extremely unlikely..in fact undoable campaign promise,

Such as?

 

[caLLous]

Donald Trump's 'anti-establishment' cabinet owns more wealth than the annual GDP of 87 countries

 

[Job]

Such as?

Most of them really, if it isn't happening now, it's unlikely to happen after the election..unless the promise is to borrow more money.

 

[caLLous]

Trump: Don't Blame Russia For Hacking; Blame Computers For Making Life Complicated | The Huffington Post

 

[Job]

Obama has thrown out 35 russian diplomats.
What utter fuckin cock..seriously, no evidence, just pure shitheadedness.
Is he simply trying to throw a spanner in the works before jumping ship.

 

[Ormorof]

Isnt that what presidents always do before they leave?

 

[Wij]

Obama has thrown out 35 russian diplomats.
What utter fuckin cock..seriously, no evidence, just pure shitheadedness.
Is he simply trying to throw a spanner in the works before jumping ship.

No evidence? The FBI and the CIA are in agreement. They have plenty of evidence but they aren't about to share it all right away because that's not how intelligence works. Seriously, where do you get your news from?

A president who ignores the findings of his intelligence agencies is a broken relationship. People put their lives at risk to gather it. If it's going to be ignored then they are doing it for nothing.

 

[Wij]

Also John McCain thinks there's evidence. Lindsey Graham thinks there's evidence. Even Mitch McConnell thinks there's evidence. Republicans. Jesus, bellend.

 

[caLLous]

He is getting as much done as possible before it's too late and the Worst President of All Time takes office. He just created two massive nature preserves as well. Unsurprisingly the Republicans are up in arms about that as well.

 

[Wij]

Some evidence Wikileaks released (without either realising it or pretending to ignore it) about who actually hacked Podesta:


View: https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816621553643294720


TL: dr - not a 14 year old.

 

[Job]

Kinda backfired that one didn't it, Obama is pretty well tanking his lack lustre presidency in the last few months.

 

[Hawkwind]

He is getting as much done as possible before it's too late and the Worst President of All Time takes office. He just created two massive nature preserves as well. Unsurprisingly the Republicans are up in arms about that as well.

Pickiling animals is no joke!

 

[Hawkwind]

Also John McCain thinks there's evidence. Lindsey Graham thinks there's evidence. Even Mitch McConnell thinks there's evidence. Republicans. Jesus, bellend.

Thought I'd heard on the news that they went as far as naming several individuals and companies that were involved.

 

[ECA]

Some evidence Wikileaks released (without either realising it or pretending to ignore it) about who actually hacked Podesta:


View: https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816621553643294720


TL: dr - not a 14 year old.

Hacked is pushing it, he clicked a bit.ly link in an email telling him his password needed reseting and his password was p@ssw0rd, with no 2factor.

Stupid was what it was.

 

[Wij]

Hacked is pushing it, he clicked a bit.ly link in an email telling him his password needed reseting and his password was p@ssw0rd, with no 2factor.

Stupid was what it was.

Yes but the point is the fingerprints are in the email towards who sent it.

 

[Ctuchik]

What the Americans did in Japan wasn't racially motivated, it was to end a war someone else started.

Not really, USA knew that most of the Japanese cabinet were looking for a way out of the war. They knew that Japan had contacted Russia about it. But USA really really wanted to test those nukes properly so they nuked Nagasaki and Hiroshima anyway. Because they also knew that this was the one and only opportunity they would ever get of using them in a war in the way they were meant to be used and still have the worlds approval.

 

[DaGaffer]

Not really, USA knew that most of the Japanese cabinet were looking for a way out of the war. They knew that Japan had contacted Russia about it. But USA really really wanted to test those nukes properly so they nuked Nagasaki and Hiroshima anyway. Because they also knew that this was the one and only opportunity they would ever get of using them in a war in the way they were meant to be used and still have the worlds approval.

Er, the Japanese overtures to the Soviets had been going on since 1943 and they were largely worthless because the Japanese didn't want to give up most of the territory they'd conquered. There's a pretty compelling argument that the Soviet offensives against the Japanese were at least as (or maybe even more) important in making the Japanese quit than the bombs themselves, but the Americans couldn't have known that before they dropped the bombs.

As for whether the bombs were also a message to the Soviets...absolutely. The Americans and British had massively demobilised in Europe from May '45 (and I mean massively; the Americans had sent about three million men home - about 75% of their forces), whereas the Soviets hadn't demobilised anyone and had about 10m troops in central Europe. If they'd wanted to march to the English Channel in the summer of '45 there is fuck all the western allies could have done about it, until the bomb came along (as it happens they wouldn't have had enough bombs to do anything about 10m Soviets, but the point was made).

And while American attitudes towards Japan weren't racially motivated in terms of objectives; they certainly went health for leather on the racism in their propaganda, and lest we forget, this was a country that in WWII wouldn't let blacks fight on the front lines until 1944 and racially segregated them even then.

 

[Job]

Not fighting on the front lines?
Well bootshine me up and call me tyrone.

 

[Raven]

Shit is about to get very real.

 

[Raven]

I would love to see a Jpeg of the moment Trump realises that he is a puppet and about as much use as a chocolate tampon.