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Well duh..thats the whole point..hes put his country on the map with a show of force, follows a load of bullshit..Trump looks good, Kim looks good, but he gets his prize behind closed doors.
 

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Holy jesus shit.
George has had...a stroke maybe?

Trump was right. The rest of the G7 were wrong | George Monbiot


If course we know where he's going with this one.
His basic premise is sound, what suited 20 years ago may not be ideal now. However the idea that you could renegotiate every trade deal every 5 years is madness. It's just not possible. It would also turn them into political footballs. Trade needs certainty and stability, not a regular referenda to people with no understanding led by liars with agendas.
 

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You could certainly schedule a review every five years with a view to a ten year amendment renegotiation.

You could also agree on a set of principles that don't subvert democracies and the rule of law (criminal courts having primacy).

NAFTA's like TTIP in many ways and we don't welcome that with open arms.
 

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Yeah next article from moonbot...brexit needs a new vote.
 

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The vote that took us into the EU got a new vote. And now we're leaving.

What is it about democracy that scares you? Or is it just the idea that people might vote for something you don't like?
 

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The vote that took us into the EU got a new vote. And now we're leaving.

What is it about democracy that scares you? Or is it just the idea that people might vote for something you don't like?
You can't vote to implement something and then revote before it's implemented, what kind of circle jerk is that, leavers would be totally justified in demanding a third vote.
Imagine voting in the Tories and everyone saying, nah lets try again...best out of 5.
The objection to the 2nd referendum isn't based on fear of losing , it's based on stability..in a world of endless voting, no vote would matter.
 

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You can't vote to implement something and then revote before it's implemented, what kind of circle jerk is that, leavers would be totally justified in demanding a third vote.
Imagine voting in the Tories and everyone saying, nah lets try again...best out of 5.
The objection to the 2nd referendum isn't based on fear of losing , it's based on stability..in a world of endless voting, no vote would matter.
Family votes to have tea at home because they can't be arsed going to KFC. Mum serves them shit sandwiches because bread and turd is all they had. Family thinks I would like to change my mind in light of this new info thanks.

Brexit is already a shit sandwich.
 

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The vote that took us into the EU got a new vote. And now we're leaving.

What is it about democracy that scares you? Or is it just the idea that people might vote for something you don't like?

To me it reeks of "Vote again until you vote correctly". Hopefully the idea will be kicked into touch and we can get on with leaving as we voted to.
 

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Family votes to have tea at home because they can't be arsed going to KFC. Mum serves them shit sandwiches because bread and turd is all they had. Family thinks I would like to change my mind in light of this new info thanks.

Brexit is already a shit sandwich.

Bit of a shit metaphor, and if you were going to be accurate it would be more like the family voted for KFC, then mum told them to vote again until they went for sandwiches.
 

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You can disagree, because he sucks up to awful dictators (Putin, Duterte, Erdogan) left right and centre and then calls leaders like Trudeau (who doesn't go around killing his own citizens) weak...
 

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Of course WE know that they can do that, but surely diminishing returns kicks in here, exactly how specific can they make an advert ffs.

how efficient it is at the task.

The social media giant in a 225-page document responding to a set of 2,000 questions by the US Senate Committee on Judiciary admitted that it collects information from and about computers, phones, and connected devices, including mouse, that users use with its various services and that it combines this information to give users a personalised content.

Facebook said that it tracks mouse movements to help its algorithm distinguish between humans and bots. Tracking mouse movements also helps the social media giant, which has been under fire for its data privacy practices, to also determine if the window is foregrounded or backgrounded.

"We collect information from and about the computers, phones, connected TVs and other web-connected devices users use that integrate with our Products, and we combine this information across different devices users use," Facebook wrote in the document adding that the collected information is used to "give better personalize the content (including ads), to measure whether they took an action in response to an ad we showed them on their phone".

The social networking platform also admitted that it collects information about operating systems, hardware, software versions, battery levels, signal strength, available storage space, Bluetooth signals, file names and types, device Ids, browser and browser plugins (which is almost all of the information available on and about your device), from the users' phones, TV and other connected devices.

The company also admitted to collecting information about users' reported gender, people users have removed from their friend list and every ad the user has ever clicked on.
 

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You on facebook @Job?


I'm not - because it's been fucking obvious (and explicitly stated) that they've been doing exactly that since day one.
 

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I have an account..but the middus updates it on her PC.
I wouldnt have that evil app on my phone, ffs, it accesses all your contacts...looks at their picture, call history...everything it possibly could..right down to how you hold the phone.
Down at Facebook HQ there is an army of people working out how to extract and corelate every single bit of data they can...all to pay back the money they gave Zitenburger..its a fuckin outrage..the very description of capitalism gone mad.
Google and Mictoshite are no better..all the tech giants need raiding by special forces.
 

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Yup...but there is very little for them to access through a browser on a PC.
 

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You can disagree, because he sucks up to awful dictators (Putin, Duterte, Erdogan) left right and centre and then calls leaders like Trudeau (who doesn't go around killing his own citizens) weak...
The horrifying thing is he actually shows he admires leaders like that. Kim killed half his own family and hundreds of people around him to show that anything less than servility is not allowed. His people live a life of fear and starvation.

The leader of the US admires that. He thinks it's great how much control this gives him over 'his country'.

He's a fucking sociopath.
 

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I think Trump says lots of things that he should say with a warning or an explanation - a bit like admiration of Hitler; the guy did some clever shit but it's more important that he was very fucked up.

It's a bit like today I started a lesson with 'Jews shouldn't exist' holy shit that grabbed an annoying group and made them all listen.

I went on to talk about my admiration for their perseverance and keeping their own culture and identity at their core without assimilation into the mainstream. Whereas everyone else has very much merged into other cultures which all share either 2 religions. With religion creating the core of that cultural identity. BBC Two - The Story of the Jews - Episode guide

But yeah Trump should probably explain himself more when he says certain stuff.
 

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Blair and Bush killed a million innocent Iraqis.
Thats an entirely different level of evil...genocidal evil.
And Blair swans around like he doesnt give a fuk.
Thats what Trump is off the cuff referring to in a reply to the hypocrisy of politics.
 

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Blair and Bush killed a million innocent Iraqis.
Thats an entirely different level of evil...genocidal evil.
And Blair swans around like he doesnt give a fuk.
Thats what Trump is off the cuff referring to in a reply to the hypocrisy of politics.

The UK and the US killed a million innocent Iraqis.
 

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Blair and Bush killed a million innocent Iraqis.
Thats an entirely different level of evil...genocidal evil.
And Blair swans around like he doesnt give a fuk.
Thats what Trump is off the cuff referring to in a reply to the hypocrisy of politics.
Not the same thing at all though. It may be wrong but Blair and Bush weren't dictators and didn't throw thousands of whole families in jail because one was accused of insufficient loyalty to the dear leader.
 

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Which is obviously nowhere near as bad..nowhere near
 

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Which is obviously nowhere near as bad..nowhere near
Not the same thing and not the point.

Kim does massive human rights violations and NK is a slave state. Trump admires it. It doesn't affect it that other people do other things that are bad.
 

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