United States Corrupt Twattery

[Raven]

That's not what you said though @Job, is it.

 

[Job]

Country/people..whatever.

 

[Scouse]

"Words" eh?

 

[Wij]

How on living Earth can you not call Israel an aggressive land grabbing country...just look atcthe fricking map since they moved in

Not defending Israel entirely here but which map is this?

 

[Gwadien]

How on living Earth can you not call Israel an aggressive land grabbing country...just look atcthe fricking map since they moved in

The young Israel full of people that escaped the Holocaust is wholly different to the power hungry anti-Islam people that run it today.

 

[Job]

 

[Wij]

Andrew Sullivan Revises History (Again)

https://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/03/israel_and_palestine_0

Very wrong maps.

 

[Lakih]

I hate when things like "facts" and "truth" gets in the way of a good story.

 

[Job]

No...its a very right map and they are just using pedantics.
Most of it was 'given' by the UN..not theirs to give..but hey-ho.

 

[Bodhi]

No...its a very right map and they are just using pedantics.
Most of it was 'given' by the UN..not theirs to give..but hey-ho.

Using pedantics? To do what exactly? Correct Israeli grammar?

 

[Job]

To make an argument against that map is about as racist as it gets against the people who were that you could call palestinians.
It was 'only' wasteland...so we're giving it to someone else who obviously deserves it more.

 

[Raven]

"Using pedantics"

Gold

 

[Wij]

To make an argument against that map is about as racist as it gets against the people who were that you could call palestinians.
It was 'only' wasteland...so we're giving it to someone else who obviously deserves it more.

What are you talking about?

The first map shows the majority as 'Palestinian' when there was no Palestine. There was the British Mandate that was populated throughout by Jews and Arabs.

I'm not talking about who 'deserves' it. Wouldn't touch that argument with a bargepole. The map though presents something which didn't exist. The second map presents something that also didn't exist. It was only a proposal.

Facts matter. Interpretation is tricky but at least start with facts.

 

[Scouse]

The young Israel full of people that escaped the Holocaust is wholly different to the power hungry anti-Islam people that run it today.

Kinda disagree with that. Zionism's been a thing for ages.

 

[Scouse]

Come on, @Job's clearly one of Philip Hammond's unproductive loafers. He contributes to Freddyshouse but the quality and productivity goes down every time he posts.

 

[Gwadien]

Kinda disagree with that. Zionism's been a thing for ages.

Yeah, absolutely, but it only came into fruition when the Holocaust happened and the Zionists said to the rest of the Jews 'Guys, we need our own country now this is just silly' and the majority went along with - I wouldn't call the majority of people back then Zionists, however, I would call the majority of Israelis today Zionists+.

 

[Raven]

Them fuckin Jews, man.

 

[Raven]

Fucking lol tho

UN 'outrageously hostile' to Israel - US

 

[Gwadien]

'self defence'

• Gaza's Shifa hospital said that two bodies of Palestinians were found under the rubble of a Hamas military site bombed by Israeli planes overnight, bringing the death toll in the past 24 hours to four, with 160 injuries. The two other fatalities came when Israeli troops fired on crowds in Gaza during clashes on Friday
• Of the three rockets fired at Israel, Israel's military said it had intercepted one with its Iron Dome defence system, one was found on wasteland and another landed in Sderot late on Friday. No casualties were reported

 

[Job]

2 dead so far...the gates of hell have really opened up eh.

 

[Scouse]

Didn't need to happen at all.

 

[Embattle]

Didn't need to happen at all.

Well it might of happened any way but in reality Dump has decided to try do the peace plan in reverse, it was always going to make it harder which is an impressive feat considering the already high level of friction between both sides. Lets see if they do refuse to meet Pence, I believe they should stick to their principles on this issue.

 

[Gwadien]

Well it might of happened any way but in reality Dump has decided to try do the peace plan in reverse, it was always going to make it harder which is an impressive feat considering the already high level of friction between both sides. Lets see if they do refuse to meet Pence, I believe they should stick to their principles on this issue.

The point is;

America supports Israel.

The world says WTF WHY ARE YOU SUPPORTING ISRAEL THEYRE BASICALLY NAZIS!

America says nah fam, they're cool guys.

Hamas get pissed fire 3 rockets into Israel, 1 is intercepted, 1 hits target, 1 hits a scrap heap.

No causalities.

Israel responds by firing missiles (ie from like a state of the art artillery piece, NOT from a dumb-missile RPG.)

Results in 2 deaths and 160 wounded.

This is the problem, Israel believes that people either support Israel COMPLETELY or they want Israel removed off the face of the Earth.

That is obviously total bollocks since most middle-eastern countries have come to accept Israel - not like it, but accept it, and others (such as Jordan) see Israel as a role model - see literacy rates etc of Jordan.

Now the issue is, Israel -knows- they're going to piss people off by making Jerusalem more capital - which will most likely involve banning Muslims from visiting their most holiest of places - which they have done in the past, so the Muslim world absolutely is 1000000% entitled to be very fucking annoyed by this, due to the track record of Israel - NOT the Muslim countries.

 

[Raven]

I wouldn't be that bothered if Israel was removed from the map.

If I'm honest.

 

[Embattle]

The point is;

America supports Israel.

The world says WTF WHY ARE YOU SUPPORTING ISRAEL THEYRE BASICALLY NAZIS!

America says nah fam, they're cool guys.

Hamas get pissed fire 3 rockets into Israel, 1 is intercepted, 1 hits target, 1 hits a scrap heap.

No causalities.

Israel responds by firing missiles (ie from like a state of the art artillery piece, NOT from a dumb-missile RPG.)

Results in 2 deaths and 160 wounded.

This is the problem, Israel believes that people either support Israel COMPLETELY or they want Israel removed off the face of the Earth.

That is obviously total bollocks since most middle-eastern countries have come to accept Israel - not like it, but accept it, and others (such as Jordan) see Israel as a role model - see literacy rates etc of Jordan.

Now the issue is, Israel -knows- they're going to piss people off by making Jerusalem more capital - which will most likely involve banning Muslims from visiting their most holiest of places - which they have done in the past, so the Muslim world absolutely is 1000000% entitled to be very fucking annoyed by this, due to the track record of Israel - NOT the Muslim countries.

Thanks but your post didn't really have a point that everyone on these forums didn't already know....except probably one person

 

[Job]

The Arabs have lost interest in the area, bigger fish to fry.

 

[Job]

Well, saying that.



View: https://twitter.com/AaronStarUK/status/939804093777895424

 

[Hawkwind]

This is the problem, Israel believes that people either support Israel COMPLETELY or they want Israel removed off the face of the Earth.
That is obviously total bollocks since most middle-eastern countries have come to accept Israel - not like it, but accept it, and others (such as Jordan) see Israel as a role model - see literacy rates etc of Jordan.

Whilst the likes of Oman, Jordan, Turkey and possibly Egypt (still?) openly deal and have dialogue with Israel the others don't. Most actually still have Israel on their maps as "illegally held territory" (Saudi/Yemen?Qatar) or just blank. Not many accept Israel in its present form.

 

[Job]

It will be fine unless theres some nearby country stsrting with I that is developing nuclear capability that has a history of wanting Israel destroyed.

 

[Gwadien]

It will be fine unless theres some nearby country stsrting with I that is developing nuclear capability that has a history of wanting Israel destroyed.

How many thousands of Palestinian deaths do there need to be before Iran are justified to be a bit annoyed by Israels actions?