UKIP

[soze]

you would get a better picture of the national result ?
leaving out the stuff about people being retarded etc as that has no effect on % turnout, how can more people voting be a bad thing ?

What happens when someone like Jordan runs for office in the Big Tits party and you get a few million people go and vote for her because they have to go a vote. If they are there and they don't really care anything can happen.

 

[Mabs]

If they are there and they don't really care anything can happen.

and thats different from now how exactly ?

 

[DaGaffer]

you would get a better picture of the national result ?
leaving out the stuff about people being retarded etc as that has no effect on % turnout, how can more people voting be a bad thing ?

Where is this 18% figure coming from? It was 33.8% for the UK, for 43% for the EU average. Still not great, but not 18%

I think the idea is more like 'WHY are 18% of the country voting, and not the rest?'

If there's like lower than 25% vote, there should be questions asked, serious questions, not forcing people to vote, not voting is a protest, and also it's also laziness.

See above.

I'd like to see proportional representation. That would increase turnout. Right now what's the point of voting UKIP, Lib Dem, Green etc. if you live in a Labour or Conservative stronghold?

Would PR improve turnout? I don't think you've really got anything to back that up. I think the problem with EU elections is that people are so disengaged from the operation of the EU itself that they see no connection between what the European Parliament does and "real" politics. That's why the people who do vote feel they protest vote for UKIP etc. because in reality they don't think it means anything other than a message of dissatisfaction.

 

[Job]

Don't go down the road of accusing people of being to chavvy to vote, if you ban them, then you're next.

 

[soze]

and thats different from now how exactly ?

Because they are not there voting. Most people who go out of there way to vote will at least have a reason for voting the way they do. And anyone who looks into it and decides they need to vote a certain way they will go and vote. I would rather see 20% of the population vote in an informed way that see a Politician with a name like Dick Cuminhard become the prime mister because his name is funny.

 

[Job]

The wife's got this seriously tasty mate, who ..one is a nurse and two is a green party, hippy loving hipster.
We argued all night about politics, but I just wanted to bang her really.

 

[Gwadien]

people should be forced to vote, they can still spoil it

But if you force people to vote, then silly parties will get into power - Imagine all the racists etc who have mates who are easily influencable but don't vote - they'll just vote for what their mate tells them to

Where is this 18% figure coming from? It was 33.8% for the UK, for 43% for the EU average. Still not great, but not 18%



See above.



Would PR improve turnout? I don't think you've really got anything to back that up. I think the problem with EU elections is that people are so disengaged from the operation of the EU itself that they see no connection between what the European Parliament does and "real" politics. That's why the people who do vote feel they protest vote for UKIP etc. because in reality they don't think it means anything other than a message of dissatisfaction.

the 18% was random - i was going for a small number, haha - for an example.

 

[Job]

Jeez..racists..the new communists.

 

[ileks]

Would PR improve turnout? I don't think you've really got anything to back that up. I think the problem with EU elections is that people are so disengaged from the operation of the EU itself that they see no connection between what the European Parliament does and "real" politics. That's why the people who do vote feel they protest vote for UKIP etc. because in reality they don't think it means anything other than a message of dissatisfaction.

Nothing to back it up, it's just a theory really. Right now, what's the point of me voting conservative in a general election if I live in Hackney? Likewise for someone who wants to vote labour in a countryside constituency. I accept most people who are interested in politics will vote regardless, but there must be quite a few who don't bother because their vote is ultimately pointless.

Also, it's simply a better system IMO. The big political parties would be much more inclined to listen to the public if they were genuinely in danger of losing seats. Right now, Labour could completely ignore the obviously widespread Euroscepticism and still comfortably win the general election.

 

[gunner440]

Scouse in talking rubbish shocker. There are two parts of your argument which are bollocks.

1) I still live near Stoke on Trent, so know a lot of unemployed people. Out of about 6, the last one applied for a job 18 months ago. The rest are happy sitting on their arses doing fuck all, getting all arsey when the Dole office suggests they might want to do something for all the free money they're getting. Any time I broach the subject with them, I play "Excuse Bingo" through all the standard excuses I have heard why they haven't bothered their arses. The usual ones are:

- What's the point they only want to employ Polish people
- I'll never get a job I've been out of work too long (conveniently ignoring the fact there are employment agencies that specialise in this.
- I'm far too good to work in a factory. Normally from people with 2 GCSE's and visible tattoos.
- I've got a bad back/depression/anxiety etc etc.
- All the jobs are in Stafford I'd have to get a bus (this one makes me laugh when I remind them that me and the OH commute from Stafford to Birmingham every day)
- etc etc

All can be summed up by "I'm a lazy feckwit who'd rather live off state handouts than actually do anything productive".

2) If I was out of work and needed some money, I would take a menial job. I know this because in the past, I have. Be it being between jobs and needing 3 weeks of factory work to tide me over, to when I was recovering from cancer and didn't want to take anything on til I'd had the all clear, I've done all sorts. Order picking,lorry driver's mate, distribution, shelf stacking, you name it I've done it, as demeaning as the work is, it's still better than the dole. Sadly the over-entitled population we seem to have after Labour's "Everyone is special" years don't seem to see this, and all want executive jobs even though they struggle to spell their own name.

Burn. Them. All.

 

[fettoken]

Burn. Them. All.

Did you say burn the jews?

 

[Raven]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27585260

Even more reason to vote UKIP, if it upsets that despicable little cunt.

 

[gunner440]

I doubt the people @Bodhi referred to were jews.

Did you say burn the jews?

 

[old.user4556]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27585260

Even more reason to vote UKIP, if it upsets that despicable little cunt.

Someone needs to shut that prick up.

 

[Raven]

So...its having the desired effect. Europe is being seriously talked about at last. The message is getting through to them, reform or fuck off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27599171

But sure. Racists blah blah

 

[Scouse]

But sure. Racists blah blah

Just because the protest vote is having the desired effect doesn't mean that UKIP and their ilk aren't racist and nationalist far-right arseholes...

 

[Raven]

As far as I am concerned my vote was a tactical vote in the hope that it would get the debate going instead of brushing it all under the carpet and carrying on. UKIP are just a tool for that.

 

[Job]

The British would be far more accomodating to the EU if we were in charge.of it.

 

[Raven]

No one country should be in charge of it. All should have a say via representation of all main parties in each country.

 

[Embattle]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...asks-British-taxpayers-for-an-extra-500m.html

 

[Raven]

 

[Gumbo]

That's an excellent photoshop.

 

[Scouse]

That's an excellent photoshop.

Why do you say that? You never stuck your fingers up at the pigs?

 

[Gumbo]

Why do you say that? You never stuck your fingers up at the pigs?

Can't recall ever doing so, also it's pretty blindingly obvious. A quick google confirms....

http://michaelrawlins.co.uk/2014/04/nigel-farage-punk-picture/

 

[Scouse]

Can't recall ever doing so, also it's pretty blindingly obvious. A quick google confirms....

http://michaelrawlins.co.uk/2014/04/nigel-farage-punk-picture/

AH. Didn't spot it as Farage...

...although if it was him and was real he'd go up a lot in my estimation

 

[Raven]

Jesus wept. Does everything have to be scrutinised in the minutest detail these days?

I thought it was quite amusing (and obviously fake). I will make sure I thoroughly research any funny pictures found on the internet to make sure they aren't photoshopped!

 

[Gumbo]

Settle, petal. no one had a go, I just had my facebook and twitter feed full of people going on about it and believing it. Thought it might be worth pointing it out before people got excited about it on here

 

[Gwadien]

Jesus wept.

Jesus didn't cry, you racist fuck.

 

[Raven]

He did when Joseph touched him.

 

[Gwadien]

He did when Joseph touched him.

See, a world without UKIP; little children wouldn't be touched, then we wouldn't have big lies like Jesus, ffs.