Werewolf Twisted Metalwolf Game Thread.

[Ch3tan]

Right, I have an important point to raise, a point that I did not think I would be alive to make today.

Many of you will want to burn Vasc based on some drunken ramblings; you may think, "well Thad was right about Thorwyn, he must be right about Vasc". Well, I also implicated Vasc, but not for ropey reasons given by a drunk.

Think about this logically. When Thad named Vasc and Thorwyn, he could only have mystic megged one of them if he is our seer. We started in the day, not night, we had only had one opportunity for him to "see" anyone.

Now I do actually have lots to say on this day (I feel your pain ) so bear with me.

 

[Ch3tan]

Okay my next point may not go down to well. There are 8 of us left. By my estimation we have at least two special roles left for the good side. I would say the likely hood is we have some kind of law man, and a seer. We also may have a vigilante. Now what I am about to propose is very risky, and could backfire easily.

We could elimate 2, even 3 people from today's possible lynchees by having all the good guys state their roles. This would nearly ensure us victory the wolves could only target one of them come night! Big risk, but I think that this is the easiest route to victory with the least possible innocent blood spilled.

Our alternative is to discuss and vote with all 8 of us as a possible lynch victim, this could lead to us killing a role or villager with a lynch, and then loosing another special role at night in the worst case.

 

[Uara]

Right well I agree with Ch3t......I'm willing to sacrifice my self by announcing myself for the greater good.
I am the Seer, on the first night I scryed Fl3a and he came back as a Wolf
This night I scryed Aph3x and he came back as a Vampire

IF you want to burn me and test if I was telling the truth do it. I wanted to wait to announce myself till I had at least 2 positives to get the most use out my ability.

 

[Ch3tan]

Right; well, this does leave us with an issue. The vampire can convert, the wolf can only kill. Now they may kill each other, or if we are lucky we might have a vig. I need to think on my possible wolf packs now that you have name fl3a, it explains his very aggressive defence of himself in earlier days.

 

[Ch3tan]

Also; if we started with one vampire (likely) then we could have a maximum of 3 now. Obviously blocking at night, or him targeting the same person as wolfs could dwindle this number. But if we assume worst case, which we always should:

8 survivors - 2 are wolfs, 3 are vamps, that leaves 3 good guys!

From checking the memoirs, I see that in previous vamp afflicted villages, only the head vamp could convert people. So we need to get him killed.

 

[fl3a]

screw the aggressive defense. time for some offense.
theres nothing left for me to do other than take someone down with me. i cant let my mortal underworld enemies win.

as uara has correctly checked me out and found out i am a werewolf, i trust his investigation into aph3x, and that he is one of the vampires. i can also guess with high probability that vasconcelos is a vampire - he was nowhere to be found last night when i was really hungry for some human meat and that leads me to believe he was at some secret vampire hideout plotting on who to turn next.

but who would the third be?
i think it (and the head vampire at that!) would have to be ch3tan. firstly he has shown this morning that he has much insight into how the vampires work. secondly, on day one he was the first to come out with the theory of multiple factions (voting blocs as he called them). i dont know about any of you, but that seems to be a bit of a long leap of thought to suddenly come to such a conclusion after seeing someone arguing. and now he comes out with a plan to out the power roles, in order to find out out & lynch the werewolves. then he will know who is a villager that can be turned into another vampire, in order to take over the village.

i was also thinking about a theory where uara is a vampire, and all of this mornings conversation is a cunning plan to lead the village to the wrong tracks and think that aph3x is a vampire when he is in fact not. it would make sense in the way that 'why do we have two villagers who can investigate stuff at night?'. a drunkard who sees stuff (true stuff!) and also a lawman who sees things for what they are exactly?

BUT something doesnt make sense then. they couldnt know for certain about me unless they tried to convert me one night and saw that i was nowhere to be found. but in that case ch3tan cant be a vampire, because the premises of this theory is that vasc and uara are vampires. and in my mind that doesn't make sense.

 

[fl3a]

i forgot to add, as there is no way for me to win anymore i urge you to consider all the options before lynching me
(that was the defense part, sorry, i cant help it)

 

[Ch3tan]

Lovely theory with a big plot hole, you wolfs may be big, but you ain't too smart. If you look into town memoirs from other afflicted towns (where I got my voting block theory from btw), you will see that those who cannot be found at night are being protected. Either by the law or some other role blocker. Hence Vasc was protected last night. Now this does not rule him out of being a vamp; but it does mean that the reasons you give for not being able to feed on him last night are false.

Also you need to do better than you have if you want to burn me, my understanding of roles and voting blocks comes from long hard study into this sort of thing. We are in a twisted village with a time warp; how is the thought of more than one group a leap?

Waste a vote killing me if you wish; you will gain nothing from it, now you have nothing but my word to back that, but if you look at those who attacked my character over the last 3 days you will see 3 names attacking me with venom. Thorwyn; quick to throw out my theories and undermine them, fl3a; same as thorwyn and Vasc. I was hardly wrong about things so far. OR use the info we have so far wisely and kill actual named targets of interest.

Also, big thanks fl3a; you just confirmed that Uara knows you are a wolf. Until then he could have been accused of bluffing, now all that can happen is that he could be accused of being a wolf, but I do not buy that. Leaving himself as the last wolf alive would be a poor tactic, hence he must be the seer.

 

[fl3a]

Also you need to do better than you have if you want to burn me, my understanding of roles and voting blocks comes from long hard study into this sort of thing. We are in a twisted village with a time warp; how is the thought of more than one group a leap?

your understanding of roles and voting blocs comes from long hard study into normal villages. and then you say that we are in a twisted village with a time warp.

oh, and hardly being wrong about anything? doesnt that kind of prove my point? how the hell can you so accurately know the ins and outs of vampires, the existance of multiple factions, without any information not available to a villager?

i am really sorry that i havent read any of your memoirs, but i would like to say one thing, and i hope i dont get struck down by the gods for this:

[ooc] stop metagaming ffs, how the hell is discussing posting restrictions or game setups any different from bringing up older game threads and what happened in those when some action was taken?

 

[fl3a]

Also, big thanks fl3a; you just confirmed that Uara knows you are a wolf. Until then he could have been accused of bluffing, now all that can happen is that he could be accused of being a wolf, but I do not buy that. Leaving himself as the last wolf alive would be a poor tactic, hence he must be the seer.

thanks for editing your post by the way! thats totally within the rules

the only way to figure out who uara is at this point is to lynch him. which is victory for the vampires (unless he is the head vampire, which i doubt). i dont want vampires to win. the village isnt going to lynch him at this point, after what he said.

 

[Thadius]

*hic*

There are vampires now?!

*has a drink to sooth the nerves*

 

[Olgaline]

well, thank you Flea..
I'm very busy in the fields, so wont have time to comment further before later this day.

one thing though,

Flea was blocked this night, as our doctor was killed on the first night, and I dout we'd have more than one protective profecion amongst us.

 

[Olgaline]

the ulternative would be,
that flea is indeed right about vasc.
as I strongly dout a wolf would be informed of a vampires alignment,
but wouldnt that just have lead to a kill ?

anywhoo, off to my org...ehm... I mean the fields

 

[Ch3tan]

well, thank you Flea..
I'm very busy in the fields, so wont have time to comment further before later this day.

one thing though,

Flea was blocked this night, as our doctor was killed on the first night, and I dout we'd have more than one protective profecion amongst us.

Really? checking the memoirs would suggest at least a law / mystic / medic set up. Especially with more than one evil role. Also from my understanding, a doctor saves, a lawman hides - Fl3a said Vasc could not be found last night.

But I can also see how we could have an evil role blocker. Especially if we read into our dead mayors ghosts latest narrative:

They find a normal bed, a normal stove, a normal mans wardrobe and a normal mans meal, normal chewed up legs and normal fur glogging his sink, a normal trapdoor that leads to the town center and normal canine footprints in the mud.

Thorwyn seemed, in all normality, a Werewolf. Shame on you!

Lots of use of the word "normal" there, which would suggest a non-normal werewolf? Or maybe a hybrid master vamp / wolf? I'd go with the thought from Olga that the Head Vamp could be a role blocker as the most simple solution apart from there being a law man here.


For those reading fleas theories, ask yourself this. In a village were only few have read the memoirs, what good would it do me as the master Vamp, to draw attention to other factions, or my understanding of their having to be a head vamp who can convert others? It would be utterly stupid for me to reveal any of that info to a town that seems oblivious of the risks facing it; let alone let the wolves know they have a competitor amongst them.

 

[Ch3tan]

Just had another thought; now I said earlier that no lynch votes benefit villagers, they do not benefit wolves as it makes the game last longer (less chance of villager deaths), more chance for special ones amongst us to help.

However in a town with a vampire who can convert people that theory suddenly goes to shit. The master vamp would need to outnumber the wolves to win, with dead villagers he would run out of targets, I do not believe from my studies that a wolf could be converted by a vamp. So the head vamp would need as many live villagers as possible in order to convert them. No lynch suddenly looks like the vote of choice for a vamp...

You all know where I am going here, so no need to spell it out more.

 

[Ch3tan]

your understanding of roles and voting blocs comes from long hard study into normal villages. and then you say that we are in a twisted village with a time warp.
oh, and hardly being wrong about anything?

How wolfish of you, you are putting words into my mouth. I never said anything about them being normal villages or otherwise. Many in the memoirs were freakier than our village seems thus far.

As for hardly wrong about anything, that is because I base my views on the words and actions of those here, not on any other motivation. I qualify my views and they usually pan out because I do not use falsehood as part of my armoury.

 

[Olgaline]

Really? checking the memoirs would suggest at least a law / mystic / medic set up. Especially with more than one evil role.

I thought I just said that

and with the medic dead, we'r left with seer & lawman
or did you miss read my statement ?

thus logic would "to me at least" suggest that flea was blocked by a lawman,

can vampires block as well ? how would that work ?
or only convert ?

the unknown would be a third party

 

[fl3a]

As for hardly wrong about anything, that is because I base my views on the words and actions of those here, not on any other motivation. I qualify my views and they usually pan out because I do not use falsehood as part of my armoury.

damn, you really are a narcicisstic self admiring piece of work.

 

[Olgaline]

ah,
you have to looka t it from the way i see the "roles"

protective, preventive, and seer.

get it ?

 

[fl3a]

i forgot to ask, ch3tan do you not agree with me then that the only chance the village has is to lynch a vampire tonight?

 

[Ch3tan]

it does strike me as odd that thad has cast his vote for no lynch, instead of trying to take out one of the people he suggested might be evil. it also strikes me as odd that he says he has suspicions, but doesnt want people to listen to them.
he also became rather jumpy when asked about his vote yesterday, and he said he doesnt have to prove himself to anyone. and then he suddenly became a drunken seer. i would say that is more suspicious than thorwyn (my other candidate) being active only when at risk, since he might be genuinely busy elsewhere. thad has been active, but simply saying he doesnt need to answer our questions.

vote thadius

Lots of comments from me, bear with me and I hope you all get a chance to read everything.

The above is from day 2, the town notes show that thadius and thorwyn were both being questioned about their votes for cokenose (them knowing he wanted to die!). Now fl3a implicated thorwyn, thad and vasc and went along with the flow. But he argued against thorwyn in the end and focused on thad. Now two people on that day used my arguments about thorywn and thad and came up with Thad. One was fl3a, the other was Vasc. Both have been very aggressive when questioned, and unable to respond with well thought out points (the rage takes them).

What does this tell us? Well for me it points to Thad not being a wolf. He was put up as a scapegoat in Thorwyns place by a confirmed wolf - Fl3a. Now Vasc also did this; by misquoting me. Misquotes are a favourite of our sharp toothed fury friends. I believe Vasc is the other wolf.

Uara named fl3a, that left one wolf. The perfect way to protect the remaining wolf would be to name him as something else. Now first fl3a says he tried to eat Vasc and could not find him, then says he could be a vampire (but not the head one).

In my opinion Vasc is the last wolf, and fl3a is playing a desperate gambit to save him.

Unless someone wants to come forward as the reason Vasc was not found last night??

Also, I mentioned no lynch before. ECA and Thad have voted no lynch every round so far. (can someone confirm this from the notes, lots of pages to leaf through!). I would give them as possible head vamps. ECA also cast the first stone against coke, and the last against Thorwyn (but his vote was no longer relevant, 5 had already been cast).

And remember this:

So that would mean out of the 6 that voted for cokenose:

eca
ch3tan
tris
thadius
Thorwyn
fl3a.

the likely hood is that a couple of more are wolves. Unless they happened to miss the voting activity.

Well Thorwyn and fl3a we know about, tris is dead. That leaves myself, ECA and thad. I would say a head vamp, last werewolf amongst those three is possible as well.

 

[Ch3tan]

damn, you really are a narcicisstic self admiring piece of work.

Why thank you.

ah,
you have to looka t it from the way i see the "roles"

protective, preventive, and seer.

get it ?

Yes I did, I did not get your original post, I thought you were hinting at a evil roleblocker not a lawman.

i forgot to ask, ch3tan do you not agree with me then that the only chance the village has is to lynch a vampire tonight?

I've already covered this:

Also; if we started with one vampire (likely) then we could have a maximum of 3 now. Obviously blocking at night, or him targeting the same person as wolfs could dwindle this number. But if we assume worst case, which we always should:

8 survivors - 2 are wolfs, 3 are vamps, that leaves 3 good guys!

From checking the memoirs, I see that in previous vamp afflicted villages, only the head vamp could convert people. So we need to get him killed.

So no; our only hope is not to lynch A vampire, it is to lynch the head vamp. Obviously all based on worst case scenarios.

 

[Ch3tan]

the ulternative would be,
that flea is indeed right about vasc.
as I strongly dout a wolf would be informed of a vampires alignment,
but wouldnt that just have lead to a kill ?

anywhoo, off to my org...ehm... I mean the fields

Sounds to me like you are thinking vasc is the last wolf as well.

And that last line..... ? off to your?? Bit of a hint there I feel.

 

[fl3a]

there are a couple of problems with your theoriest.
first of all, you keep saying that misdirection and misquoting is a favourite tactic amongst werewolves. yet again you read deep into what really might be happening. maybe they are trying to implicate others without pulling any special moves and no hoodwinks, but by simply reading into what people say and answering to that. and if that read doesnt comply with your read, then they are misdirecting the village. do you remember the situation where i miscounted the votes (of course because i tried to hoodwink!) after which tohtori also miscounted the votes (damn, god is also a werewolf according to your logic). i for one have never purposely misdirected anyone, because that would be idiotic in a village with a watchdog like you.
the second part where your logic fails is - i am the last werewolf. the 2 starting werewolf situation is also one of the reasons i am discrediting your guesses into what kind of situation the village started in. they are all based on it starting with 3.

 

[Ch3tan]

Heh, your last post tells me I may be on to something. You are protecting Vasc for definite now.

 

[fl3a]

heh, sure, get uara to investigate him or just lynch him. you will know im not lying then

 

[old.Tohtori]

((Haven't seen any metagaming or some such, using previous games as a reference has been accepted before. Call it history books or some such. Keep cool kids and i'll get involved if i see something i dunna like ))

 

[Thadius]

When does nightfall again?

Hopefulyl the recent killing of a werewolf means the attacks on villiagers will stop!

 

[Vasconcelos]

Lots of comments from me, bear with me and I hope you all get a chance to read everything.

The above is from day 2, the town notes show that thadius and thorwyn were both being questioned about their votes for cokenose (them knowing he wanted to die!). Now fl3a implicated thorwyn, thad and vasc and went along with the flow. But he argued against thorwyn in the end and focused on thad. Now two people on that day used my arguments about thorywn and thad and came up with Thad. One was fl3a, the other was Vasc. Both have been very aggressive when questioned, and unable to respond with well thought out points (the rage takes them).

What does this tell us? Well for me it points to Thad not being a wolf. He was put up as a scapegoat in Thorwyns place by a confirmed wolf - Fl3a. Now Vasc also did this; by misquoting me. Misquotes are a favourite of our sharp toothed fury friends. I believe Vasc is the other wolf.

Rly ch3tan Im not going to give you anymore reasons to fuel the fire you are trying to put under my feet.
Now you come up with a cheapshot on me, maybe hoping for a counterflame or how you call it when ppl questions your theories "aggressive reaction". I think this must be the 3rd time I tell you that the reason why I dont trust your theories is that in every single scenario you propose you include every townie in the evil pack but you.

I already uncovered my role in the previous day: Im a vanila townie and I rly dont know how I made it tonite w/o being ganked, specialy when I though the doctor was the only one able to protect me. So yes, I also think there must be at least another defensive role in this game.

Anyways, if I got lynched today, well at least you could find out if I was being honest and maybe ppl might get a relief from all the messy theories thrown around.

If not, I rly encourage Uara to spy on my role tonite, and if you dont want a dead villager, get protection from whoever the defensive player was.

Just one last comment: pls ch3tan, stop throwing cheap shots to other ppl when your theories are questioned, it doesnt make any good to the ambient of the game.

 

[fl3a]

Rly ch3tan Im not going to give you anymore reasons to fuel the fire you are trying to put under my feet.
Now you come up with a cheapshot on me, maybe hoping for a counterflame or how you call it when ppl questions your theories "aggressive reaction". I think this must be the 3rd time I tell you that the reason why I dont trust your theories is that in every single scenario you propose you include every townie in the evil pack but you.

I already uncovered my role in the previous day: Im a vanila townie and I rly dont know how I made it tonite w/o being ganked, specialy when I though the doctor was the only one able to protect me. So yes, I also think there must be at least another defensive role in this game.

Anyways, if I got lynched today, well at least you could find out if I was being honest and maybe ppl might get a relief from all the messy theories thrown around.

If not, I rly encourage Uara to spy on my role tonite, and if you dont want a dead villager, get protection from whoever the defensive player was.

Just one last comment: pls ch3tan, stop throwing cheap shots to other ppl when your theories are questioned, it doesnt make any good to the ambient of the game.

you should have just stayed quiet, your venomous assaults on the theories of our most beloved citizen implicate you thoroughly! you evil werewolf-vampire-hulk-doctordoom man!