Werewolf Twisted Metalwolf Game Thread.

[ECA]

guys, can we please! just to a reasonable extent pretend that we'r actually a bunch of people in a village under siege by a pack of werewolfs!

I'm not saying go full on cape and hat and eth'eth'thou'ing
but just try! to grasp a tiny bit of imagination, and refrane from constant out of scene referencing. and if you have feel that out of game issues might influence your ability to participate just use [out of cha] or in game explain that ehm your off to the loo or what not.

I've heard that roleplaying can lead to beards

 

[ECA]

And we all knows beards are a gateway facial hair into terrorism.

 

[Ch3tan]

[out of charactor]
oh I have pleanty to say about ch3tans post.
but i just got off work and omw out again, so i dont have the time atm

[out of char]
Uara, fl34 take note. Olga does not talk about posting restrictions in the game. You guys need to listen to Olga, try to keep some pretence of role playing please. He simply meant he wasn't near a PC.[/]

Fl34 you seem to be able to read anger from text. Big assumption there. And that makes it 3 times you have tried to hoodwink us.

1) the amount of votes for no lynch
2) saying I am angry
3) saying Olga had posting restrictions created by his role

Now, although I am generally a pacifist, I am close to voting for you. In my opinion stupid people in the village will get us all killed quickly, as will those who use lies and misdirection to throw us off the trail.

 

[fl3a]

seriously? hoodwink?

i explained that i messed up the amount of votes we had towards no lynch because i simply forgot about the people that had voted for it earlier, as i said i only saw the votes at the top of the page and counted those and then went 'hmm?' at your post. it was simply a mistake.

about reading anger from text: when an adult tells another adult to 'learn to count', even if they are villagers out in the middle of nowhere, it tends to not be said in the friendliest of ways. i have no idea what other emotion other than being pissed off that sentence was meant to convey. i dont see how my comment and apology about the mistake constitute a hoodwink.

and about what i have been saying out of character, metagaming, speculating about posting restrictions and so on - that is what i normally try to do. say things that have a smudgeon of chance of being true, and watch people react to it. of course it is much harder to read reactions on a forum (as, it seems, i misread ch3tan to be angry when he was being something else).

i will now stop metagaming and be a simpleton.

 

[Uara]

Yeah my bad, apologies for metagaming!
However I don't think Fl3a is trying to hoodwink (at least in reference to the voting issue), all of us make mistakes occassionally when counting votes. In previous villages I've forgotten to include people who have already voted when i've been going through things in my head and in this case it really does seem like an honest mistake.

 

[Ch3tan]

Like I said stupidity, or lies and misdirection. Both are equally harmful in this kind of situation.

 

[fl3a]

Like I said stupidity, or lies and misdirection. Both are equally harmful in this kind of situation.

a honest mistake does not mean harmful stupidity. stubbornness in your views and the inability to look things from more than one perspective IS however harmful.

 

[Ch3tan]

I can look at them from multiple perspectives, I have freedom to choose the one I think most likely, and I have done. You are really jumpy aren't you?

 

[tris-]

i really wouldnt be voting me out if you want to live a decent length of time.

 

[Ch3tan]

i really wouldnt be voting me out if you want to live a decent length of time.

I was waiting for that one. We've already had the "i'm just a villager"

All we need now is the "i'm not a wolf".

From the rest of us though tris, thanks for making yourself number 1 target for the wolves/evil forces tonight, assuming you are not one of them.

 

[Thadius]

I'm not a wolf.

*shaves*

 

[tris-]

I was waiting for that one. We've already had the "i'm just a villager"

All we need now is the "i'm not a wolf".

From the rest of us though tris, thanks for making yourself number 1 target for the wolves/evil forces tonight, assuming you are not one of them.

sounds to me like youre trying to take the pressure off your self to be fair.

 

[fl3a]

I can look at them from multiple perspectives, I have freedom to choose the one I think most likely, and I have done. You are really jumpy aren't you?

and from what do you deduct my jumpyness? i havent raged, i havent started accusing anyone, i just really dont like the 'argument, retort, new topic, retort, new topic, retort' school of arguing.

you have been accusing me and others, making some decent arguments to support the views in the process, but when people reply or counter them you start accusing someone else or change the topic and stay accusatory without answering the counterarguments.

what were you thinking when you told me to learn to count? were you not angry/annoyed at me for mistakenly pointing something out or were you?

you told me my viewpoints are simple (when i pointed out some problems with your voting block theory regarding olga and aph3x) and thus you will not be taking them into consideration.

are you satisfied with my explanations for my 'hoodwinks' or do you insistently view me trying to explain my thoughts and actions as suspicious and jumpy?

 

[Ch3tan]

which questions would you like me to answer? I'm satisfied I have responded to everything so far. I've already told you I was not angry, I just thought it was rather stupid of you to miscount the vote, or that you were deliberately trying to mislead.

I did not say I would not consider your view's, I said I preferred my view points.

And no, I am not satisfied, I think you are trying to mislead and have been caught out.

 

[Ch3tan]

sounds to me like youre trying to take the pressure off your self to be fair.

Not at all, claiming you have an important role is just silly. If you do you have just made yourself number 1 target. If you do not then if we have a seer etc they will waste a night looking into you.

I have no pressure on me, or did I miss some votes against me?

 

[Ch3tan]

and from what do you deduct my jumpyness? i havent raged, i havent started accusing anyone, i just really dont like the 'argument, retort, new topic, retort, new topic, retort' school of arguing.

you have been accusing me and others, making some decent arguments to support the views in the process, but when people reply or counter them you start accusing someone else or change the topic and stay accusatory without answering the counterarguments.

Well lo and behold, using my ability to check the notes of this here town meeting, I have deduced you are talking utter bollocks. I have answered any points put to me over the last few discussions, ever since I made my theory about Olga and aph3x. I checked your points in answer to me, there were no questions directed at me, so what is it I have failed to answer.

Also what is this argument, retort, new topic bollocks? I have discussed points until they are moot and then moved onto new points, that is the nature of discussion.

On the basis that I believe you are hoodwinking us, or trying to, and that your points make little or no sense, and are based on falsehoods:

vote fl3a

I have every confidence that this day will end in a no lynch, but I was my stance on this day noted. I am sure that it is easy enough for everyone else to read your posts and see the same thing. So I will leave it them to do so and make their own judgement.

 

[fl3a]

now, you may think of me as a sophisticated citizen due to my use of the language and some of the views i have put up, or you may think of me as a citizen with no brains at all just spewing random sentences and baseless objections from his mouth at the town meeting. i guess they are both kind of correct, i sometimes just misuse words. while i said that you had not answered any questions i did not actually mean questions, i just meant discussing things in more detail than we have and also to have you confirm your understanding of some of the other things said. and i am happy that we are indeed going more in-depth into the matters instead of raising new ones. now, to jump right into it. what i mean about you confirming understanding regarding some matters:

which questions would you like me to answer? I'm satisfied I have responded to everything so far. I've already told you I was not angry, I just thought it was rather stupid of you to miscount the vote, or that you were deliberately trying to mislead.

prior to that your only comment about me saying that you got pissed off about me miscounting the votes was

Fl34 you seem to be able to read anger from text. Big assumption there.

saying that i am making a big assumption about a persons emotional state from a post on the forum. yes, it is quite a big assumption indeed, but not baseless in any way. from what i know, accusing someone of making baseless claims (even after they say that it was an honest mistake and apologize, and note the fact they werent actually meaning anything bad by it) and telling them to learn to count is NOT friendly happyhappyjoyjoy behaviour.

and of course you make a similar read regarding a persons attitude from text:

You are really jumpy aren't you?

are you trying to hoodwink the population into thinking i am jumpy?


moreover, id like to point out to you something you said yourself:

No, but a defence that you can not qualify in any way is no defence at all.

your defence against the so-called accusation of 'you are angry' relies entirely on 'no, im not angry'. how is that different from 'no, im a villager'. now, i did say i didnt mean anything offensive about you miscounting the post, AND i didnt mean to comment on your theory to discredit it, i just wanted to give a different viewpoint on the subject. a viewpoint you called too simplified.

think of what you said about my and points:

On the basis that I believe you are hoodwinking us, or trying to, and that your points make little or no sense, and are based on falsehoods

now remember occams razor. entities are not to be multiplied without necessity. it makes little or no sense to believe that a scum group would be involved in an elaborate plot on day one in order to create bullshit and distance themselves from each other. once again you theorise way to deep into an argument started by:

Ogaline, I was merely suggesting you are very keen to get the voting process moving, in doing so hoping we make a rushed vote, which in my eyes seems rather wolfish. Based on that.

Vote Ogaline

one person wants to start the game, another person votes against the first to get some conversation going, they start arguing. kind of like we are doing, only you have just now put a vote against me instead of in your first post. now all we need is someone to come in and go 'oh my god, ch3tan and fl3a are part of the same team, they are just hoodwinking all of us!'. after which you would say that his read makes no sense, because you know yourself to be genuinely arguing because you see flaws in the other persons texts (i say you didnt answer any questions yet you cant see any questions, just as olgaline accuses aph3x of not doing, despite not asking any questions) instead of acting out a planned argument.

this is one of the 'questions' id like to talk more about. you say that you didnt mean that they (olga and aph3x) are werewolves, only some kind of a voting bloc. what exactly did you mean by that? do you believe there are more than one evil faction at play here? [ooc]if so, i must have missed where it was noted that this was part of the game[/ooc]

i would also like to talk more about thadius and his no vote, as i brought forward in my post but what he has not replied to:

I am waiting till more evidence comes to light before making a rash decision.

Vote: No Lynch

how is casting a vote not a rash decision?


now, regarding the ending of your post

I have every confidence that this day will end in a no lynch, but I was my stance on this day noted. I am sure that it is easy enough for everyone else to read your posts and see the same thing. So I will leave it them to do so and make their own judgement.

i also want my stance on this day noted. i am not going to be voting against you based on what has happened today, because i simply dont believe that you are evil. in my eyes (disclaimer: DONT NOBODY BELIEVE I AM STATING A FACT BECAUSE I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE SOMETHING YOU DONT HAVE TO WITH NO BASIS OTHER THAN MY OWN MENTAL PROCESS) you are just overzealous in your hunt for the scum, in order to further the cause of the town.

 

[Ch3tan]

That's better, but I still think that you are not quite right in my mind. In my experience those with evil motives tend to slip up on the small points, little mistakes, and that is often the only way to spot them. In my eyes you have made one clear little mistake.

Anyway, I'll leave others to talk for a while, especially those that have been very very quiet.

 

[Aph3x]

While we're on the subject of quiet ones, can we get a vote count and possibly a who's voted where count, im interested to see who's not voted.

Oh and Tris you still didnt answer my question

 

[Ch3tan]

Players - 11 remaining

CorNokZ
Ch3tan
Uara
tris-
ECA
Thorwyn
Vasconcelos
Aph3x
Thadius
Olgaline
fl3a

6 for a majority vote.

Of the above, Thorwyn has been mostly absent, as has cokenose.

 

[Uara]

Well I can say that I haven't voted yet. But I don't want to do it whilst we're still in the middle of discussion and awaiting the opinions of others! At present I'm still leaning towards the no lynch option as I agree with Fl3a that I think Ch3t is a good guy and is just an incredibly vigilant member of our group. I am interested to see what Thad and Tris say on the matter. As we have Tris coming out with comment likes 'we'll regret voting him off' it does make him a target come the night and if we have someone guarding our backs it means we either have to hope he's protected or potentially leave him to the mercy of those vile wolfies.

Then we've got thad who as others have mentioned come out with the lack of rash decision but goes and places a vote down. It may not be for a specific person but it sure moves us one step closer to entering the night phase which is probably the least desired circumstance at present when everything is still up in the air.

 

[Ch3tan]

I've checked through the minutes of the town meeting, and this is who has been the most and least vocal:

Ch3tan: 21 shouts
Olga: 13 shouts
fl3a: 12 shouts
aph3x: 10 shours
ECA, Thad, Uara: 7 shouts
Tris: 5 shouts
Vas: 4 shouts
Cokenose: 2 shouts
Thorwyn: 1 shouts

For your info.

 

[Aph3x]

It does help, thanks Ch3tan.

 

[Ch3tan]

If I have some more time I will do a who has voted where and current votes as well. Obviously, you should not take my info as gospel and I would encourage you to double check my data.

 

[Thorwyn]

Sorry about my silence. I´m rather busy at the moment and can only check FH like once or twice a day. Plus, I already said that killing someone out of the blue is rather pointless.

so... to make it official:

vote: no lynch

 

[Ch3tan]

So you leave us one vote from a no lynch, and have still contributed nothing at all?

I'm sorry but at the moment my thinking on possible wolves runs:

1)Thor, cokenose = equally likely to be evil due to their lack of contribution - you can't fuck up if you don't say anything.
2)tris - that whole "you'll regret it if I die" comment. very damaging, if true he is fucked and so are we as he is now a target. He could attract protection or mystic viewings tonight and they would be a waste if he is lying or not. Total and utterly against the interests of the village, especially considering he was not at risk anyway.
3) fl3a - that little error with the vote count and the discussions following it do not sit right with me still.

I STRONGLY urge someone who has previously voted no lynch to retract their vote for now. We stand to learn more by prolonging this day than ending it.

 

[Aph3x]

Ouch that vote could indeed hurt us, especially if one of the other silent members of this community decide to suddenly wake up and cast their vote. This could all go a bit wrong if that vote goes through.

 

[Thorwyn]

Oh.. you want me to contribute and be more active?
Sorry, didn´t know that you actually need to spend your whole life on a forum to play this game.

Ok then...

unvote: no lynch

vote: Ch3tan

Better?

 

[Ch3tan]

Oh.. you want me to contribute and be more active?
Sorry, didn´t know that you actually need to spend your whole life on a forum to play this game.

Ok then...

unvote: no lynch

vote: Ch3tan

Better?

It will do, and yes, you need to be a little more active to be a part of this village, or the game will not progress, or we have to waste votes lynching non active players.

Justification for your votes would be nice you know.

 

[tris-]

what im trying to say is, if you kill me, who is going to make parmo for the villagers?

no one, because im the only one who can make it.