News Tottenham riots

[Calaen]

Diesel storage place in tottenham, on fire! Explosions and shit.

Really wondering how long this is going to carry on.

 

[ilaya]

to be fair.. the bigg market is made from replaceable parts just because of normal weekends

 

[Calaen]

to be fair.. the bigg market is made from replaceable parts just because of normal weekends

Us northern folk, aren't into this shit

 

[TdC]

It's very easy to feel very let down by your government in this country, whoever they may be. The kids clearly have no attachment to their environments otherwise they would not be destroying them, and that for me is the most worrying thing.

As Billy Bragg said, 'the country has failed you, now don't fail yourself.'

ah, nice of you to assume the rioters can actually understand Billy Bragg. you're giving them too much credit imo!

 

[ECA]

Amazon.co.uk Movers and Shakers: The biggest gainers in Sports & Leisure sales rank over the past 24 hours

As of last look a 52000% increase in demand, Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

 

[Himse]

Amazon.co.uk Movers and Shakers: The biggest gainers in Sports & Leisure sales rank over the past 24 hours

As of last look a 52000% increase in demand, Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

404 error!

 

[ECA]

mmm works fine for me.

 

[megadave]

2117: Reports from Eltham (London) that cars of people are driving around randomly attacking passers-by. Stay away from the area if you can.

Let it go aoami's enough of that discussion over the last few pages.

I heard from texts, facebook and twitter that there were Milwall and Charlton fans up Eltham, as well as EDL "protecting the area".

Cycled up there to find a few hundred locals walking up and down the high street, most were drinking or been at the pub. At least a third were being overtly racist pretty much nonstop, chanting and shouting all the usual words. Another third were chipping in with the odd bit. They were smashing in cars of any black people that drove by and some groups went off into estates on "wog and looter hunts". They tried to walk into neighbouring boroughs which are predominantly black but a huge police presence stopped them.

 

[megadave]

2216: LBC radio are reporting around 2000 people moving from Eltham to Lewisham to ?reclaim the streets?. Developing ? updates to @gazthejourno and @thewestlondoner on Twitter please.

lol throughout this whole business i've found twitter to be the biggest, most useless lying piece of crap technology

 

[Everz]

Some lad got killed in Aston and two in critical condition.

 

[Everz]

Seems to be a load of clean up squads going round the West Midlands tommorow. Best of luck to em, I know I would love to be there to give a hand, and smash in whatever tool is fucking up my town.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

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[Deebs]

Absolute disgrace yet again by criminals. Was watching the action unfold in Manchester on the BBC news channel. One thing made me chuckle, some scrote with his girlfriend was walking around with his hood up, carry a bottle of types. One Police Officer told him to (I assume) to lose the bottle, the guy kept on walking. The Police Officer hit the hand holding the bottle with his baton. Get in there.

Now, when these scum get home with all these new expensive goods what the hell do the parents think/do? Congratulate the scum?

 

[Raven]

It's nice to see on the news that so many people are going out to clean up. Goes to show there are some decent citizens about.

 

[soze]

Just been watching videos of the anti-looters in Enfield. My cousin was out walking with them and there were police walking among them "having a laugh", from what he is saying the group was full of all kinds. There were a lot of football fans showing the normal bravado but also a lot of normal men and women and lots of store owners in a kind of neighbourhood watch type situation. Really does make you proud, and I bet the police who have been hamstrung are glad they are finally getting some support.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

London rioters point to poverty and prejudice - Yahoo! - Interesting read I thought and a even more spot on reply (which imo is the real issue in this nanny country)

"What is a Kurd doing here with no bleedin qualifications we dont need the rest of the worlds crap we have enough of our own.All you foreigners who are moaning go back home we dont need you.Don,t complain about this country you came here so accept what you,ve got here with good grace or pea off"

I thought the article was a load of bollocks though, I came from a working class family from Putney. My gran is a typical old cockney girl, lived through the war, worked hard all her life in shitty jobs for her family and still trys to give out of her pension. My dad left school at 15 and moved out when he was 17, he now has 3 houses and lives comfortably. But he hasn't supported me since I was 15 and rightfully so, I did fine with student loans and ema / what not .... I could have finished uni if I actually wanted to and got a decent job.

There is no such thing as poor in this country (UK), they have no excuse, the loans and benefits these idiots get is crazy. It's way more and easier than someone that's from a family that just "doing ok" and can't afford to support them.

If these idiots in the UK want to see poor they should come here, there is no benifts or student loans. The poor family's work hard and stay poor because they can't afford College / University. A poor girl that works in Tesco maybe earns about a fiver a day, no chair to stand on and you would never pack your own bags. she would have to send her family money every month as well, and that's the best job she would ever get.

 

[Tom]

Now, when these scum get home with all these new expensive goods what the hell do the parents think/do? Congratulate the scum?

Parents?

 

[Gray]

‪Riot Fail‬‏ - YouTube

:england:

 

[Ch3tan]

I heard from texts, facebook and twitter that there were Milwall and Charlton fans up Eltham, as well as EDL "protecting the area".

Cycled up there to find a few hundred locals walking up and down the high street, most were drinking or been at the pub. At least a third were being overtly racist pretty much nonstop, chanting and shouting all the usual words. Another third were chipping in with the odd bit. They were smashing in cars of any black people that drove by and some groups went off into estates on "wog and looter hunts". They tried to walk into neighbouring boroughs which are predominantly black but a huge police presence stopped them.

Just been watching videos of the anti-looters in Enfield. My cousin was out walking with them and there were police walking among them "having a laugh", from what he is saying the group was full of all kinds. There were a lot of football fans showing the normal bravado but also a lot of normal men and women and lots of store owners in a kind of neighbourhood watch type situation. Really does make you proud, and I bet the police who have been hamstrung are glad they are finally getting some support.

The Eltham lot were an embarrassment. My mate (a west ham fan) and his missus were trying to get to the pubs there for a drink and to show some community solidarity. They said they stayed less than an hour before feeling disgusted with the attitude of those there. They would have caused even further rioting, and quite possibly race riots had the police not successfully penned them in.

Enfield, and Southall show what a real local community can do to show it's not going to be ruled by a minority of twats.

 

[Ch3tan]

0933: The Met's Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh says "vigilante" groups set up to protect property are hampering the policing operation. He tells Sky News: "What I don't need is these so-called vigilantes, who appeared to have been drinking too much and taking policing resources away from what they should have been doing - which is preventing the looting."

Also: Jenny from Cambridge texts: Please, please, can you focus on the wonderful clean up operation rather than the rioting... negative, negative headlines all the time. No wonder our young people feel hopeless! Maybe if you focused on the positive there wouldn't be as many 'copy-cat' incidents? Yes, we need to know what's going on, but push the positives for goodness sake!

^ As if the press will do anything to help.

 

[rynnor]

0933: The Met's Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh says "vigilante" groups set up to protect property are hampering the policing operation. He tells Sky News: "What I don't need is these so-called vigilantes, who appeared to have been drinking too much and taking policing resources away from what they should have been doing - which is preventing the looting."

That seems a bit rich when the police stopped upholding law and order during much of the rioting. What the hell did they expect people would do - once the police fail you why would you rely on them?

 

[Ch3tan]

See about the Eltham groups above rynnor, the Enfield and Southall groups were peaceful. The Eltham groups had police having to follow them, close off roads and trying to disperse them. It was EDL and drunk footy fans by all accounts. That is not the local community, that is people looking for trouble.

Also I'd add that last night there was no trouble despite the efforts of some of these vigilante groups. It's not the answer, although I understand why people would want to.

 

[rynnor]

See about the Eltham groups above rynnor, the Enfield and Southall groups were peaceful. The Eltham groups had police having to follow them, close off roads and trying to disperse them. It was EDL and drunk footy fans by all accounts. That is not the local community, that is people looking for trouble.

I dont think he's discriminating between good vigilantes and bad ones tho - the police must be embarassed that people feel the need to do their job for them.

 

[Ch3tan]

Or he's actually got a point that it's diverting stretched resources.

 

[rynnor]

Or he's actually got a point that it's diverting stretched resources.

If we tell communities they dont have the right to defend themselves where exactly does that leave us?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Vigilante justice is as wrong as rioting, there's no rules of engagement and more often then not, there's "accidents". OFcourse there's good people there too, but it's like protesters vs rioters; most are out for a fight.

By as wrong, i mean you shouldn't. Clean the community, defend at your home/shop, but leave the riot fighting to the police. By hindering the police, you're effectively making things worse on a, debatable, good notion.

In case someone brings up the point of "how do you defend against a firebomb at your home", you don't, you GTFO.

Good notions are all well and fine, but if there were a fight between defenders and rioters and people died, it would be both sides fault.

 

[Ch3tan]

If we tell communities they dont have the right to defend themselves where exactly does that leave us?

In a better situation than groups like the EDL using this to further their causes.

An idea btw - wouldn't it be nice if all the cars involved in looting could be impounded and crushed. Now that would be a good punishment IMO.

 

[rynnor]

Society is based on communities sticking together to defend themselves - for many years we delegated that power to the police but when they couldnt maintain law and order the communities took it back.

We arent talking about lynchings here - people just turned out to prevent trouble - no rioters going to mess with a whole community thats out on the streets?

 

[Ch3tan]

Did you not read megadave's and my posts above? Eltham would have turned into lynchings had the police not stopped them. At least have the decency to read the information before calling it false.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

Well maybe if you could depend on the police, their wouldn't be Vigilante's, no one should be blaming the vigilante's here.

The police and gov have just paved the way for future problems in the country now. As a former chief in the police and a guy that handled the LA riots said last night:

Police are no longer enforcing the law, they are babysitting it and now everyone knows ... as well as the public having no trust of a sense of security with the police, it just opened a whole load of future issues.