to sad guy: Aragone

[lofff]

Son: Get urself a log and sum info and ull find out my actions were justified, also that slagging u say was not in general to cf, jsut to sum peeps slagging at me too.

Hopefully it can be sorted asap with everybody happy. <--- I REALLY HOPE SO.

 

[old.psychic]

So Aragone made a mistake not spamming /y that he was gonna pick an item that dropped?

if that is all, i think Aragone has apologised for it and it can be forgotten?

btw things like theese should be sortet out ingame and not dragging ppl and guilds out out boards getting their asses flamed off imho. and that goes for all that has been slagged in this thread.

 

[old.DachraK]

To Anu:
Well I dunno in which xp groups u were but in mine all the loot went to the ones who could use most. So i don't see any point of changing that. If there are more of them than the lotto decides.

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by old.psychic
So Aragone made a mistake not spamming /y that he was gonna pick an item that dropped?

if that is all, i think Aragone has apologised for it and it can be forgotten?

Its more like Aragone should get the nuts to end up this, by giving the drop to kobold, apologizing. After it he might come to any fair raid and get a hammer in a fair way or just roll himself another raid letting everybody know his purposes at the beginning of the raid. He wont get back my faith anyway. sad gimp.

btw things like theese should be sortet out ingame and not dragging ppl and guilds out out boards getting their asses flamed off imho. and that goes for all that has been slagged in this thread.

go get urself a log and find me been flamed via /as like "go solve it at forums! etc etc etc"

 

[lofff]

btw many ppl is showing up a lack of reading skillz by still flaming at me like a "crying baby who didnt got his toy" when it has been wroten since the beggining that am not getting anytying anyway.

 

[old.psychic]

Well Lofff im sad to hear that, but still imho theese things should be solved by the ppl involved, i cant talk for the ppl telling you to go to the forums, imho all this thread has done is to bring up a lot of hatred and greed.

Imho Aragone has the right to the Hammer, BUT the sad thing is wether he keeps it or not his reputation will never be the same because of this thread and that is really sad.
so my advise to you Aragone is to give the Hammer to Kobold and then, well screw em all, and take a long break from the game.

 

[Ortunga]

ffs I am SOOO not logging on tonight

/em goes to bed early

ps: I apologised to you last night about the /as thing Lofff I can do little else, HHH are welcome back in the alliance if they want but if the sitation arises that any member of any guild uses the channel for a personal insult to anyone the same will happen again if no other means of silencing them is available.

/as is for RvR messages only, while most of us will tolerate the occasional joke or grats message discussing drops should be kept to pm's or forums.

 

[old.Moriaana]

"all drops will be salvaged and used to repair the doors on dagda"

I LIKE that one

 

[nicky-nook]

ROFL ..Really some arseholes in this server just want to get stuck into CF when ever they get a chance..

I HAVE BEEN ON 10 RAIDS AND HAVE NOT GOT ONE DROP...Do you see me Crying here on these forums like a Kid no...

CF organise more raids that most , have had more successful Relic Raids that any other guild and in most cases help as many people as they can yet Because some people throw there toys out of the pram for one stupid fucking drop they call all CF idiots ...

FS Grow up...

Really this is all BS and give some players a chance to Flame and so on and so forth its just shite..

Therefore I will never ever go on A Drop Hunt in DF ever again unless its Celtic Fist only...

Regards...Nicky.

 

[old.0xygen]

Lofff I think people are still flaming you because you are still acting like a baby.



Anu that made no sense just cause your 35 doesn't mean you should entitled to a drop. To me most of the drops should be 49+ because most of the legion drops have a level minimum of 49. Items should be given to people that are going to USE THEM not to people that are going to put them in the bank for a month or trade them. It defeats the purpose

I went last night I wasn't going for a drop infact I only went cause I wanted to see the dungeon and legion. I hit legion once does that mean i should get a drop? To me The answer is no

 

[idril_daoc]

Iam realy glad i wasnt on this raid ......

ive not been spammed/flamed once even thou ive sorted the loots on 2-3 raids of the princes so far.. so if a flame thread comes up you guys must be doing something that others think is moraly wrong ! and ARAGONE plz try to get you communication skills up abit (not a flame about spelling just comunication) so that everybody knows that u have claimed the specific drop before the raid starts. so that the ppl wanting that item can chose if they wanna participate or not ! start giving ppl choices instead of raping them when they have been on the raid think loots have been distributed fairely and you just go away with one of the most wanted ones.

Lews made it the other way arround when he got his hammer and it worked .. (you dont se any spams about that here)

Ps: this is what ive made out from evaluating this thread coz looks like noone wanna post a log from the incident here to help suport there version of the story.

Idril Celebrindal Lvl 50 Spearoinne hib/exc

edit: had to ad some letters that my keyb didnt wanna type or something

 

[lofff]

Pyshic: Am also sorry for the way Aragone is bugging himself, but its also my reputation (not the best of ones bcoz of my usual bitching) that's taking the dust. I warned him on cg he was losing friends, he didnt matter, also sum1 from cf (who owns my respect) told me he bets hell leave cf before giving away the drop. sad git.

Ortunga: Aye i did apologized also for the abusing and am glad we end up talking as civilizated ppl, /as thing is in machia's hands till i cannot take guild decissions on my own. ty again.

nicky: wtf, what the heck u saying, u show lack of info and brains what have happened to yah lately?

oxygen: ur post goes directly to the absurd. shut up.




- Am preety feeded with all this BS. Just would like to see it solved as soon as possible. Otherway am gonna pharm my new BW rank on this dammit thread.

 

[old.0xygen]

Please do enlightnen me on the absurdness of my post

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by old.0xygen
Lofff I think people are still flaming you because you are still acting like a baby.

Looking at the facts, reading tha thread, having sum brains, ... those are just ways to find out this sentence = absurd and offensive, period.

Dont mess with meh.

 

[k9awya]

lol at thread..



fuck off ben you cunt



ah and tze rocks.. yaya...



fucking albs.

 

[old.Machiavelli npv]

Can someone post me a chat log of what was said in /as please.

I'll go idle in celticfist irc so just msg me and send it there or smth.


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[Tank Init]

no one person (leader of raid or otherwise) should have exclusive rights to any drop that comes from any raid. legion can not be taken without the help of others.
spaming on /as that theres going to be a legion raid does not make u a automatic leader and first claims to drops.

also back to the hammer if aragone picked a number in the lotto then the drop should go to kobby who was the winner of the lotto

actions of a member of a guild reflect on the whole guild otherwise whats the points of haveing a guild? so please no more excuses about it only one member

 

[Lethania.]

Originally posted by Tank Init
actions of a member of a guild reflect on the whole guild otherwise whats the points of haveing a guild? so please no more excuses about it only one member

Agreed.. Guys if you say that its only one member who did somethign adn should not reflekt back on the guild then what does? If a CF member does something good then shoudn't it be reflekted back on the guild? How the hell should a guild get a reputation at all if it wasn't for the members?

I dont think raid leaders should have right's to pick one drop. BUT if everyone BEFORE the raid agrees that this is ok then he can take whatever he wants! As said noone can kill the Legion alone! if he want to take the drops adn dont care about anyone else then fine go and try it yourself

 

[old.0xygen]

Lofff I never said u were wrong or write but you are acting pretty silly.

u can go and eat ur new hammer, u are now the first and the only one in my /ignore. Real shame

thx for the apologies, all of us can missbehave while typing in rage i understand it but next time ill rape u

Nova and others who bullshitted bout me, am still waiting for ur explanation. Otherway get lost

He wont get back my faith anyway. sad gimp.

 

[inuyasha]

Hehe

Quote Lethania:
How the hell should a guild get a reputation at all if it wasn't for the members?

Weeee, clearer could it not be said. You are the princess

And everyone...plez stop lofff'ing lofff, he did nothing but get angry, and everyone who he replied silly to, had said something silly to him. There are seriously few who manage to control themself when a whole forum is lying about them, and well...he have not done anything wrong....

Inuyasha

 

[lofff]

as inu said silly answer for silly questions. Try and find out the msgs that pulled those quotes oxigen, then tell me whats sillier.

I'd like to give this a "period" soon.

 

[inuyasha]

Period

Then we set a period here, unless something more happen in the matter. Never to late to save a reputation, hehe

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Ok.

Because some of you may not get this first time, this is my opinion, and my opinion only.

This is not in any way an official comment from CF.

Originally posted by old.Eternal[EW]
I've lost alot of faith in specially Aragone and also several member of CF, it's also other peeps playing that you uber l33t folks who think you so much better than everyone else, makes me sick uke: (not a flame to all in CF, just some of theire members who sux)

I'm sorry, but I view this as an attack on the guild, and I am offended.
Can you cite some examples or give some more background, as to why you have come to your, surely, informed opionion as to why some of our members 'sux' ?

If you cannot, then kindly cease your inflammatory accusations.

Cause why the hell do he deserve something more than Werga, Loff and me when all need it just as much.....becouse the majorety of the high lvl peeps is in his guild

Again, you bring up CF.. you are making your own reasons and making wild assumptions.. do you have something personal against CF?

You have grouped with me several times Kobold, and you know I am a fairly humorous person.. I am sorry that you are so worked up over an insignificant item, in an insignificant game, that will probably never do anything for you in your real life, that you have forgotten this.

Originally posted by inuyasha
It was reported by lofff in the alliance chat, and CF did not consider this as anything else then a greedy attempt of a sad looser of the roll, and supported their member, which i guess any guild who did not know the story, would have done

I'm sorry, but in my opinion, and since I was actually there in guild chat, I think the general thought was - 'What the hell is this doing on /as?'.

Indeed, the appropiate method is to contact an officer or a GM, this is fairly common sense, making comments such as those on such a channel do not help to provide sympathy to your cause.
Until proof or further investigation can be done, all we can do is view those comments on /as, as simply accusations.

You would expect us to hand you over Aragones head right there?
Announcing a matter such as this on alliance chat was an error.

Originally posted by inuyasha
Quote Tzeentch: "We're gonna let it pass."

Another Quote of Tzeentch: "im not a gm, i just talk much"

Plez remember this Tzeentch, there are people in CF that look into this matter much more then you do, and one of your members have just, in front off most level 50's online, said "I want this item, so i take it" I guess it should be handled, one way or another, and i would like you to leave that matter to the GMs.

I will let you know that it's been a while since I've been talked down in such a condescending manner..

My first quote is in humour, I guess I will have to mark it as such from now on, I had no idea people would get so personally involved over an item in a game.

My second quote was in humour, when you asked me if I was a GM, in the /cg.
It was a way of saying no, and lightening the atmosphere, since it was an atmosphere as if you had come across some huge misfortune that would affect your life for years to come.
I'm sorry you don't appreciate that.
I'm also sorry that you do not make mention of Lofff's involving the entire alliance with his use of /as, thereby making it public to all, and then at your own choosing, tell someone to butt out!
You do not have this luxury I'm afraid.

Kindly take your double standards elsehwere.

Originally posted by inuyasha

He posted this in the alliance chat for people to know about it, and you remove his guilds rights to the whole alliance chat?

Several warnings were given by our GMs for all to cease the discussion on alliance chat.
Our members did so.
Lofff did not.
The solution was simple, and the only viable one, since there is not many ways you can convince a GM of a guild to disable his own ability to speak on alliance chat, if he does not do so after being given open warnings.

Originally posted by inuyasha
I mean, serioiusly, do you not have any respect for the alliance at all, if the alliance members and officers have a complainment about the a member in the alliance leadership guild, then for god sake take that serious

Respect for the alliance would be somewhat better observed if the rules were adhered to. These rules clearly state that alliance chat is to be used for RvR messages only.
A complaint given to CF is always taken seriously, and investigated, to the best of my knowledge, and it usually only requires a short, private, discussion with an officer or a GM.

Originally posted by inuyasha
one of your most active members have said from that start that the whole thing will be overlooked completly (yes tzzench)

This is called humour, as I explained earlier, again, I am sorry if I do not take something so trivial, so serious, as to ruin my day and jeopardise my day at work.

Originally posted by inuyasha
Another thing about this "it was in the middle of the night, i got school and such" I just want to mention i logged in here at half past midnight last night to speak with you aragone, and i stayed online speaking with your members, leaders, and spoke on the forum til at least half past 4 in the morning, and i had school at 8, so i assume i know of what you speak. Sleep is not as important as the fairness of this, and i am not even involed in the matter.

I am glad that Aragone has his priorities in order.
That item is not going to vanish, or affect anyones life in any significant way.
You would wish that Aragone would do as you did?
Perhaps you should view this in perspective.

Originally posted by inuyasha
Quote Lethania:
How the hell should a guild get a reputation at all if it wasn't for the members?

Weeee, clearer could it not be said. You are the princess [/quote

Clearly you agree there.
So, by the same basis, can we do the same with Lofff's guild?

Originally posted by inuyasha Never to late to save a reputation, hehe

Do not worry about our reputation, we can take care of ourselves, you have done enough to assist in the damage.

Originally posted by Gorguss
Aragone did a stupid thing and CF should deal with him accordingly and I have no doubt they will but until he explains himself and this issue is resolved I'm not going to team with the guy

Anyone that treats any member of CF in this fashion, can expect the same treatment from me. You attack anyone in CF, you attack me. You cannot pick and choose one to bully among us.

Originally posted by Gorguss
Quite frankly, I've heard a lot of bull about CF and a lot of people don't like their attitude. Please try to get your reputation and respect at the lvl it's supposed to be and take care of this issue before more people start to dislike you. I know there are lots who do for reasons like this.

Everyone with the same tag above their heads represent their guild as a whole and if they act like morons, their guild also gets blamed If you don't want bad rep then please get rid of people making it a hard time beeing CF.

Rep's are all that matters when considering a guild so get your head out of your ass and smell the fresh air, couse talking out of your ass will only make people believe your a talking shit.

Perhaps you would care to elaborate? I hear a lot of people say that they have 'heard' some rumours about us and we have a bad reputation, but I've yet to hear of such an incident, which was not resolved.
Why do you worry in any case? You seem to enjoy bashing on us.
Again, if you do not have any information to back up the stories that you have heard, then you have nothing really, don't you?
Or is the bandwagon is town for CF?

Originally posted by Gorguss
All actions that members of Celtic Fist does affect the guilds reputation. A guilds reputation is made up by their members actions for good or bad. Celtic Fist wants to take credit when they have a leader in their guild squashing the legion, then ffs should you take the blame when someone in the guild does something stupid!!

I mean seriously, LOL!!

Superb.
By this reasoning, I'd really hate to be in your guild right now, based on the amount of crap that is coming out of your mouth.

Originally posted by Gorguss
If we want a way to punish CF there are several options

This I gotta hear.
You are actually threatening us?
Gee, well the only way you are punishing me, at any rate, is with the absolute pathetic manner in which you portray yourself.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by Verena
I can't believe all this argueing about a stupid drop

Good of you to come in and help us argue.

Originally posted by Verena
1 more point. You think it's strange that people are holding grudges against CF when you have wankers like tzeentch replying so childish to a very sensitive issue

Of course, I could reply in kind.
Or I could ask, how, based on my post there, you can understand so much of me, to have such arrogance, as to come across oh so superior and insult me in such a manner.

A sensitive issue?
Someone dying of leaukemia is a sensitive issue.
Do not elevate a loot drop to such a high stature, that it is beyond the reach of humour.

But of course, you being online in Exc/Hib every day, would know all about me and the inner workings of CF.

People hold grudges against CF?
Whatever for?
I'd like some people to come forward and message one of our officers... or is it that, there is probably less people than I can count on one hand, that have a legitimate complaint?

Originally posted by Verena
And blaming his vocal abilities for running off is the funniest thing i've ever heard

Clearly your vocal abilities are not a problem, yet they tend to make you as much an ass as you imply I am.

Originally posted by Verena
Imagine buying a lotto ticket at a shop in your town. You win a million and the shop keeper steals your price and runs of with it cause you bought it in his shop so it's "his" price.

And then imagine reporting it to the papers before the police.
This helps in what way?

Originally posted by lofff

If we think a bit and remember /as was used to gather the ppl at start and also to say that drops were gonna b dealed in mbeo in 15 mins... then ull find out that my first msg was rightly posted, period.

Organising a raid over alliance chat, and hurling accusations over alliance chat, are two very different things.

Originally posted by lofff
I tho it would solve the problem but then sum CF members turned into an overreactive defensive/agroo mode answering via /as greedy...

I'm sorry, but you accuse one of our members in a public channel, then expect people not to reply in such a fashion?
You tarnish our guild, on a situation that can be resolved in less than few hours if you had used a /send, and expect us not to respond?

Would you like it if someone was to accuse one of your members over alliance chat?
Or would you prefer it if the person with the complaint was to speak privately with one of your officers?
Think this over, and you will see the better option.

Originally posted by old.Machiavelli npv
First of all I'd like to point out that removing a guild from the alliance was never part of the rules. Whilst in Na Fianna I clearly recall that the punishment for spamming alliance was to be a demotion if that member. The removal of Happy Horny Hibbies from the alliance is a totally arbitrary and incorrect course of action.

There was simply no other action available.
There were warnings given, lofff persisted.

Originally posted by old.Machiavelli npv
If Aragone did indeed log out as stated then Lofff raising the issue on /as is a justified course of action and does not constitute spam as no one objected to it being used for the raid earlier and Lofff only sought to discuss the problem. This does appear to be something of a double standard.

The problem can be discussed amongst a few people, not the entire CF alliance.
Calling for people for a raid over alliance chat, requires little discussion.
Alliance chat is not for holding discussions, and especially not discussions of such a nature.

Originally posted by old.Machiavelli npv
Yet 1 guild, namely Happy Horny Hibbies, has been judged on the actions of 1 person and punished even though on further investigation that persons actions seem justified.

How would you suggest we have removed lofff from alliance chat?
He was warned, he persisted, you would have us contact his GM, who would be.. lofff?

Lofff's actions are not justified, unless you support accusations against individuals going out on alliance chat, accusations which, are not so simple to deal with.

If we were to follow lofff's lead, we'd have alliance chat filled every day at least once a day.

Originally posted by Lethania.

Agreed.. Guys if you say that its only one member who did somethign adn should not reflekt back on the guild then what does? If a CF member does something good then shoudn't it be reflekted back on the guild? How the hell should a guild get a reputation at all if it wasn't for the members?

While doing good, is usually intended, doing harm, is not usually intended, and is always attempted to be repaired.
This is the difference.


I'd welcome any of these complaints against CF being bought forward to the attention of our GMs, or officers, to be adressed.

If you do not do this, then I'm afraid we cannot help you in your situation, if we have no knowledge of it.

 

[old.Machiavelli npv]

Well it seems there's something of a double standard here:

people use /as to organise the raid - No objection

Lofff uses /as in an attempt to sort out a problem about the raid - People object

People are abusive/flame/spam Lofff in /as - No objection

Lofff is abusive/flames/spams in /as - guild is removed from /as


I have asked for chat logs so I can look at exactly what was said and yet none have been offered why is that?

This is not an attack on Celtic Fist. My point is only that if you are going to have rules they have to be applied equally.

And when I say Lofff was justified in using /as I mean that as a last resort if he had been completely ignored and only breifly.

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[Verena]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch


Good of you to come in and help us argue.



Of course, I could reply in kind.
Or I could ask, how, based on my post there, you can understand so much of me, to have such arrogance, as to come across oh so superior and insult me in such a manner.

A sensitive issue?
Someone dying of leaukemia is a sensitive issue.
Do not elevate a loot drop to such a high stature, that it is beyond the reach of humour.

But of course, you being online in Exc/Hib every day, would know all about me and the inner workings of CF.

People hold grudges against CF?
Whatever for?
I'd like some people to come forward and message one of our officers... or is it that, there is probably less people than I can count on one hand, that have a legitimate complaint?



Clearly your vocal abilities are not a problem, yet they tend to make you as much an ass as you imply I am.



And then imagine reporting it to the papers before the police.
This helps in what way?



Organising a raid over alliance chat, and hurling accusations over alliance chat, are two very different things.



I'm sorry, but you accuse one of our members in a public channel, then expect people not to reply in such a fashion?
You tarnish our guild, on a situation that can be resolved in less than few hours if you had used a /send, and expect us not to respond?

Would you like it if someone was to accuse one of your members over alliance chat?
Or would you prefer it if the person with the complaint was to speak privately with one of your officers?
Think this over, and you will see the better option.



There was simply no other action available.
There were warnings given, lofff persisted.



The problem can be discussed amongst a few people, not the entire CF alliance.
Calling for people for a raid over alliance chat, requires little discussion.
Alliance chat is not for holding discussions, and especially not discussions of such a nature.



How would you suggest we have removed lofff from alliance chat?
He was warned, he persisted, you would have us contact his GM, who would be.. lofff?

Lofff's actions are not justified, unless you support accusations against individuals going out on alliance chat, accusations which, are not so simple to deal with.

If we were to follow lofff's lead, we'd have alliance chat filled every day at least once a day.



While doing good, is usually intended, doing harm, is not usually intended, and is always attempted to be repaired.
This is the difference.


I'd welcome any of these complaints against CF being bought forward to the attention of our GMs, or officers, to be adressed.

If you do not do this, then I'm afraid we cannot help you in your situation, if we have no knowledge of it.

You my son need to get out more. You spend ages typing a few pages full of bullshit. Do you really think anyone can be arsed to read all that crap?

You spend way too much time on a forum feeling insulted by some letters.

Please go away!

 

[Ortunga]

Hmmm....

Mach can you contact me ingame so we can talk about this /as issue?

Methinks this thread has strayed from the issue at hand and is just going to roll on with people trying to get in the last word and achieve nothing.

 

[old.Machiavelli npv]

/retired


Stuck around a little bit longer than I'd planned when DF went live and was fun. Up to the rest of HHH what they want to do now.

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Hibernia , Excalibur.

 

[*Tusk*]

...donkey

 

[old.Machiavelli npv]

... inbred