to sad guy: Aragone

[Eleasias]

Which one will use it more? RP's maybe arent the best thing to compare activity but if the other guy has 200k+ and the other isnt even R3 it's not very hard to see which one plays more, and probably deserves the drop.

 

[old.Aragone]

argh.......

to all of you posting here ofcours i want to post my side of the storry but as i have school to attend i have not had time to post yet my post wil be on here later when i have the time for it.

 

[Treson]

I wonder what it would have been like if we all did Legion raid in a pvp server.

Ill bet we would ganked 50% of eachother before we even started

 

[old.lewstherin]

Imo it should have been agreed on the chat that aragone gets the drops. Those others greed and not honouring the orginizer is sad. But also... if aragone agreed to lottery then he should follow it. As for me getting the drops I chose when I lead the legion raid. I can say I have 1 drop. On the second raid I gave away the first drop to lottery. I got the Lw hammer instead. ANd for lofff ur just a wanker. Spamming me at the end of my raid begging for drops. Greedy wanker.

 

[Salazar]

Oh boy... one thread i don´t enjoy reading... fellow Hibs on each other case... let´s try to keep insults in pm´s or sumthing and not show bad spirit public?

As for the drop... drops are stoopid if they make ppl fight... anyways the legion drops for mage suck, but im still willing to get every1 one hammer... unless i LD 5 times a row or fall through floor or be teleported to Behemoth or sumthing as much funny.

We are one realm against two other realms... the heavy underdog with weakest classes and least numbers... so we really cant afford internal struggles... so can we get every1 one hammer plz... if hes so easy to kill. I bet there are still plenty of LW champs and heroes that want it...

 

[Lethania.]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
We're gonna let it pass.

ehm.. I really hope you are kidding tzee..

I agree that if Aragorne told everyone that he wanted the hammer he should have got it... but if he loose the lottery.. give it to the winner!

 

[old.psychic]

Afaik Aragone did not agree to any lottery Lofff just asumed he did and invited him to a lottery CG of the hammer, Aragone joined it and said that the hammer wasn't up for lottery, and that he was keeping it as the item that organisers gets. then logged cause he had to go to school in 4hours, though i agree that he should have waited to log until everything was settled.

ps. the reason i know this is that i go to school with Aragone, but dont feel like doing anything today

 

[old.0xygen]

Its the same old story everyone hates the guys at the top its true though ie look at manchester United or Microsoft etc mixture of jealousy and the constant close observation of their behaviour looking for one mistake so you can say aha They suck! etc.

I was on the raid (dunno why lev39 bm weeee) aragone was doing his best to keep everyone together which is damn hard when theres 100+ but he did it and to me I think he qualifies to pick a drop for himself.

Ohh and cjkace is not a greedy person one of the nicest guys in this game (and he gave me stuff when I returned ;p)

I think its time for pie

 

[Gorguss]

It's good that Aragone at least told them in CG, though he should have said it earlier IN the actual raid. Though I gotta quote something DachraK wrote earlier about CF:

If happened so, Aragone should give it to the winner.
To all that talk about CF in this matter, shut up! An individual is point of subject not CF. Anyone flaming CF I'll eat raw, cause i am in CF too and I wasn't even there yesterday.

All actions that members of Celtic Fist does affect the guilds reputation. A guilds reputation is made up by their members actions for good or bad. Celtic Fist wants to take credit when they have a leader in their guild squashing the legion, then ffs should you take the blame when someone in the guild does something stupid!!

I mean seriously, LOL!!

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Gorguss
I know he is honourable and he would'nt tell lies

There's a difference between a lie and and a statement based on incomplete or faulty information.

 

[Verena]

I can't believe all this argueing about a stupid drop. Reading some of the replies of CF members is even more disgracefull.

He was in a lottery, they all picked a number. He lost and runs off.

What is so hard about it to see that he didn't deserve it. You can organize raids every single day but remember that allthough you're the one that's organizing it, you'll never be able to kill Legion alone.

All who attend should get a fair share of the loot, organizer or not. The best way to keep it fair is to organize a lottery and when someone looses in lotto and runs off it's shouldn't be too hard to figure out who's at fault here.

1 more point. You think it's strange that people are holding grudges against CF when you have wankers like tzeentch replying so childish to a very sensitive issue.

And blaming his vocal abilities for running off is the funniest thing i've ever heard. If he can organize a legion raid then discussing about a drop shouldn't be too hard either.

 

[HargloweHyfryd]

<sigh>

So you think the whole of the guild should be held responsible?

In what way?

Repercussions? Refusing to group with CF-members?

Sorry.....but I can't really see the point in that.

Of course, some people WILL hold the whole guild responsible untill the matter is resolved the 'right' way.

Sorry to say this, but I just don't think there IS a right way, just a difference of opinion.
Untill it has been made clear if Aragone agreed to a lottery, or not (which I'm inclined to THINK he didn't), I won't give my judgement one way or the other.

Having said all this: I hope people will actually tell me if they ever refuse to group with me because I'm in the Celtic Fist. In that way at least I'll know what I have done to them.


edit: I brought up his 'vocal abilities' to make it clear that his speech in guild isn't always that clear AND I haven't seen him post much on these board.
I did NOT bring it up to 'justify his actions' only to voice my opinion over why he hadn't responded on these boards yet.

 

[Gorguss]

HargloweHyfryd..

<sighs>

If we want a way to punish CF there are several options

But that really is'nt the issue here, what I am trying to do is to get a reaction from the other GOOD, DECENT, NICE, DELICIOUS, TASTY, FANCY, GOODLOOKIN and ORGANIZED members of the GREAT guild that is Celtic Fist. If we don't, then they suck ..


PS: The last sentence was a JOKE so don't go head over heels for it

 

[Verena]

Originally posted by HargloweHyfryd
<sigh>

Untill it has been made clear if Aragone agreed to a lottery, or not (which I'm inclined to THINK he didn't), I won't give my judgement one way or the other.

Did every tank knew from the start that if that 2h dropped then it would go to aragone? You're basicly saying that he can have the exclusive rights to a drop cause he organized the raid.

How many people you think will join a raid like that when they know they will never get a chance at that drop. What does it matter if he agreed to a lottery or not? When legion drops something it will be put into a lottery and you're basicly saying that if you like the item you can refuse the lottery and keep it for yourself.

He didn't kill Legion alone and that is the only thing that matters. Only some people knew of his ideas and that alone is enough.

 

[old.lewstherin]

ppl always forget the good things CF do ... they always remember the bad. CF didnt grow into a respected and good guild cuz we spammed /as. We got it cuz we gave money to those that asked. Tried doing events for those who wanted to come etc etc. I cant imagine how many ppl got drops on my legion raid. And they were not CFers. Its so bloddy easy to whine all the time. But if u feel ur in someway tricked and that CF is just taking all the drops. Dont show up on the raids. I see the same ppl whine over and over. And STILL! they show up on every raid. The lottery lofff did was just cuz of greed. He cant b arsed to do legion raid by him self, let someone else do it, then scream LOTTERY LOTTERY when all know that aragone wanted that hammer and IMO should have had it too. If the ppl in the CG had ANY honour at all they would have agreed on aragone getting it as thanx for a good raid. But no its just about greed. Imo there should b a rule that the orginizer may chose one item. As a reward for spending hours and hours of orginizing making chats, holding ppl together etc. Its no more than fair. That way more ppl will b encouraged to do legion raids. Plz discuss

 

[HargloweHyfryd]

Sorry for over-reacting, but I'm just a big old softie Firbie.....I hate arguments/fights

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by HargloweHyfryd

Untill it has been made clear if Aragone agreed to a lottery, or not (which I'm inclined to THINK he didn't)

No, it would have been up to Aragone to tell the pack about that he wanted it.

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And on the other topic that is taken up here, all you do as a member of a special guild will reflect upon the guild it self. So it is really in the guilds own intrest to keep it clean from ppl that make the guild look bad...

 

[HargloweHyfryd]

Originally posted by HargloweHyfryd

In defense of Kobold:
- If Aragone did not state clearly that he wanted the hammer and was expecting to get his pick from the drops, combined to a lottery being held in which Aragone did NOT win, it really makes everything all rather awkward. Aragone running off with the item without explaining in /broadcast, makes it worse.

Things are being discussed in our guild, but I honestly cannot say
if anything will come from it.

Like I said: Aragone should have stated it at the beginning of the raid, although quite some people thought that it was common sense.
So: No! I do not think that the organizer should get his pick without having stated that clearly at the (pre-)organisation-state of the raid.

 

[Verena]

Originally posted by old.lewstherin
ppl always forget the good things CF do ... they always remember the bad. CF didnt grow into a respected and good guild cuz we spammed /as. We got it cuz we gave money to those that asked. Tried doing events for those who wanted to come etc etc. I cant imagine how many ppl got drops on my legion raid. And they were not CFers. Its so bloddy easy to whine all the time. But if u feel ur in someway tricked and that CF is just taking all the drops. Dont show up on the raids. I see the same ppl whine over and over. And STILL! they show up on every raid. The lottery lofff did was just cuz of greed. He cant b arsed to do legion raid by him self, let someone else do it, then scream LOTTERY LOTTERY when all know that aragone wanted that hammer and IMO should have had it too. If the ppl in the CG had ANY honour at all they would have agreed on aragone getting it as thanx for a good raid. But no its just about greed. Imo there should b a rule that the orginizer may chose one item. As a reward for spending hours and hours of orginizing making chats, holding ppl together etc. Its no more than fair. That way more ppl will b encouraged to do legion raids. Plz discuss

Well I gotta agree with you here and tbh I don't care about the fact that lofff didn't get it. Eternal made this post and he has the same rights as anyone else on that raid to that uberdrop.

This discussion is not about loff, it's about Eternal winning a lottery and seeing someone run of with the item he just won.

Imagine buying a lotto ticket at a shop in your town. You win a million and the shop keeper steals your price and runs of with it cause you bought it in his shop so it's "his" price.

 

[Gorguss]

Lewstherin

We already agreed that IF and only IF he had notified people when the raid started that he will be keeping the hammer for himself, then it was ok. It's rather unfair to keep all those players that risk their lives(at least exp) to help in the raid in the dark of what will happen to the drops. At least then they will have the oppertunity to decide wether or not they want to use their time on this.

That is at least my opinion.

 

[HargloweHyfryd]

(without any sucking up intended)

/em bows to Gorguss

 

[old.Thanatlos]

ffs.. let's just go get another hammer and get it over with... *sigh*

 

[old.Arya]

err.. How long did it take to kill the Legion bugger ? 32 secs ??
Just kill the bugger so often anybody gets a drop ( and btw anybody who already has an item and still participates in the Lottery ... well kinda unfair). Only work sso if the common "I got all I need I won't do anyhting from what I don't benefit " attitude doesn't kick in...

 

[old.lewstherin]

yes I agree... if he agreed to lottery and lost then he shouldnt keep the drop.

 

[old.giriam]

My 2 cents on the issue:

the organizer is pretty much free to do whatever he wants with the drops. if you dont like the distribution policy then dont join the raid. on the other hand it would be smart to to announce that "i will take one item for myself" or "all drops will be salvaged and used to repair the doors on dagda" or whatever your goal is BEFORE you come to the point where loot is distributed.

anyway, i think the blame here lies in either the guy who did the lottery or in the organizer, depending on which of them that had responsibilliy for the items. if the lottery was done above the organizers head then he should be very right to keep it for himself, if the organizer on the other hand failed to mention that he wanted to keep it to the appropriate person then i think the only fair option is for him to give it away.

G

 

[old.Music]

actualy i dont really see why organisers should have first pick ? raids would not happend if not all where there = every1 gets fair chance on any drop.
and all the talk about greed ? well if u organise ? 50+ ppl and say "i want that drop" even before raid has started, that imo is uber greed and taking advandtes of other ppl's time. sure it might not be easy to organise raids, but really that dont mean u have first rights to drops every1 fought to get.

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by old.Arya
who already has an item and still participates in the Lottery ... well kinda unfair).

Not according to Cuth & Xero

 

[old.lewstherin]

No its should b an unwritten rule... results on a legion raid 10-20 drops... imo the tanks in the CG should have all said "aragone nice raid ... u should have the hammer u deserve it most". Or something like that. I never had to say anything. THose ppl I was in Cg with all agreed I should have the hammer all civil and friendly.

 

[old.DachraK]

To Gorguss:

U didn't read my post very well obviously.

Another note i wanna make after hearing some stories on IRC.
Why did a lvl 51 drop went to a lvl 42 character?
That item has no use for ages, sounds stupid to me.

 

[lofff]

All this crap really takes the piss.

Keep clear in mind i wasnt getting the drop anyway, also i didnt pushed for other 2 tank drops cos i was too pissed with that stuff, am not arguing coz of a drop, raid or whatever, i do argue cos i've just removed sum1 from my friend list. Aragone showed nice to me till tha date, cant say that i've met him that much but he was nice, noway i could have guessed such a pricky behaviour from him.

I've been in 3 legion raids and many prince ones and NEVER got a solo drop, never mind, i do play for fun and play fair hoping others to do the same in return. So bout the effort thing arranging raids... cant say that spamming /gu and /as with it is a big effort, gathering 100ppl to kill legion (a way too many ppl, droping the chances of getting drops there) and then chosing a drop... that may b a way to go but then make em know ur purposes before going there, only cf members in the raid knew he was gonna chose 1 drop coz of arranging the raid. Also, in the other raids i've been no1 on my knowledge has picked a drop.

Bout the /as thing:
He left cg and took a horse to ligen, didnt answer to pms and logged a few mins later so i wanted everybody to know hes behaviour and CF officers to solve it asap. My first /as msg included and apologize for spamming and no insulting at all, just a plain report that no1 should have answered via /as. If we think a bit and remember /as was used to gather the ppl at start and also to say that drops were gonna b dealed in mbeo in 15 mins... then ull find out that my first msg was rightly posted, period.

I tho it would solve the problem but then sum CF members turned into an overreactive defensive/agroo mode answering via /as greedy... Then i answered then back abusing of the /as just as they were doing and i do apologize for it but its still no reason to boot Happy Horny Hibbies from the alliance like they did, sum mins later got ortunga gray and others in a cg and cleared it a bit.


Bout the ppl making greedy bullshitting arguments against me, lieing and stuff id like them to explain here or get lost, i.e:

As for Loff's behaviour, well loff i like you but that was ridiculous. You need to grow up and stop acting like a child too. Just because aragone acted wrong doesnt mean you can spam and insult over alliance chat and tell lies.

(wtf u talking about, what lies, WTF!)

ANd for lofff ur just a wanker. Spamming me at the end of my raid begging for drops. Greedy wanker.

(btw i didnt rolled ur dammit raid and obviously was joking not serious, if u had sum brains...)

The lottery lofff did was just cuz of greed. He cant b arsed to do legion raid by him self, let someone else do it, then scream LOTTERY LOTTERY

(if i was as hypocrit as u all seem to b i will have let it pass and started to roll meh a raid to get me a hammer which is preety easier than roll a shitload of raids hoping to b lucky on tha itmaz lott)



Finally will like to see how does this end up. Also will prolly roll a couple of legion raids without that "arranger picks drop bullshit", kthxbye