To Albions

[Clipse]

Belomar, It wasn't a flame, and i was thinking of u when I typed what I did, and wrote with a little guilt, but maybe there is some truth in it. It's not intended to offend.

But, when u guys need something, u can call. I used SS as an example. Since i started Playing DAOC, I have only ever been on about 3 RR's. No one ever invites us to their Adhoc RR attempts.

And the reason I wasn't on was becoz I've got some serious exams in a weak, and no time for Defence.

 

[Clipse]

What they do is thier business, and as far as i know SS do keep takes/retakes often, singling them out because they have alot of members is wrong, like its been said in this thread, if a "unknown" SS member or unknown player decided to do a RR chances are most people yourself included would dismiss it as hopeless. Seen it all before.


Maybe you should take the initiative and organise a RR

I have never Dismissed anyone is DAOC, except Flamers and pre-buscent kids. I am curteous with everyone, if they played for 2 years or 1 weak, never ignore a Pm, and make new friends everyday.

I can't organise an RR, becoz too many people have pre-concieved perceptions of me.

I have 12 rams at Atk, and made it public knowledge, if people wanna work together, u just have to start the ball rolling.

Everyone seems to think a RR takes 3 weeks planning, and a great leader. When the truth is it does NOT.

 

[Tay]

Meduza has got a point, albeit put in a rather gay way. If some "random warder" like me decides to organise a relic raid, do you really see guilds like GoL, FC, AD turning up? No, it wont happen.

It would depend on your plan tbh.

 

[Clipse]

Sorry for singling out SS.

And GOl is Deffo not the Paragon Of Society, we had Benowych, but only Asel it seems makes the effort.

I'm not making any friends here lol, am I ?

But we all could do with a Shake up.

Our alliance has 2.5 guilds in it, it makes us very inneffective for Realm co-ordination. You guys have a big established network.

 

[Belomar]

Sorry for singling out SS.

Fine, apology accepted.

 

[Clipse]

/hug

 

[Gothika]

Our alliance has 2.5 guilds in it, it makes us very inneffective for Realm co-ordination. You guys have a big established network.

This puzzles me, why not join a larger alliance, this isnt a go at GoL or you as a person, but since your alliance is so ineffective surely your high RR guild would be best suited to a larger alliance which personally everyone would benefit from.

 

[Tay]

Forgot to reply to that one. Stakes too high, u say ? What, U die IRL if it fails ?!? Or do u miss precoius RPs from ur gankgrps in Emain ?!

This is what it comes down to... "Missed RPs with my l33t g33k grp" vs "Risk at failing (yet another) RR and a few hours"!

Tbh I dont think any1 (even low rr unknown albs) intends to call upon a RR without spending a few hours himself at the drawing table! But comments like urs, Belomar, that one needs to have a rep to make u go to the RR, well... Kinda prove my point, don't it ?!?

What it comes down to is investment of time, nobody likes sit around waiting for a RR to kick off, but somethings just have to be done, it would seem we suffer from Spies (E-penis -0.1) more than most.

Its like those that argue for macros for crafting and how it doesnt hurt anybody else...some people invest time into something others cba this is the point some are making here if you want to be taken seriously people take more notice if they know who you are.

I dont specifically subscribe to the "build a reputation" before you run a raid, Ive been playing the game for 2 and a half years, took part in shed loadsa RR's ran some big mob hunts, used to do regular keep takes in the old days but I would always have time to listen to somebody if they said they had a great plan to get some relics.

My main char atm is an ice wiz, the pwr relics were great on Sat PM did shed loadsa dmg, had I been in game during the rr I prolly wouldnt have defended for the same reason many others didnt.

 

[Tay]

And for those who say they didn't want to defend our undeserved Relics:

If midgard didn't do an alarm clock raid, we may well still have had the Str relics, so don't for 1 minute, think, that wasn't their way of making up for it. They gave us the relic and we lost it in one day.

Differant strokes for differant folks.

 

[Ghostfeet]

This puzzles me, why not join a larger alliance, this isnt a go at GoL or you as a person, but since your alliance is so ineffective surely your high RR guild would be best suited to a larger alliance which personally everyone would benefit from.

there is basicly only 2 large rvr active alliances ( no offense to fellowship, u guys r active in realm defence but cant really be called a rvr alliance ).

these 2 r GoL/HB/BF ( and RB )

and the other 1 is LoD/FC/NO and ofc BOB!

u just dont join an /as like that... there r alot of diffrences between guilds and they r often hostile

and second reason i deteste large /as is because the no spam rules.... LoD /as is teh spam 24/7 (which is good cuz i can keep dissing "dame " der)

so u c the problem... u just dont go join a large /as like that. and i dont know about GoL alliance but i think most alliances (atleast ours) seem pretty happy with their current setup.

 

[Clipse]

This puzzles me, why not join a larger alliance, this isnt a go at GoL or you as a person, but since your alliance is so ineffective surely your high RR guild would be best suited to a larger alliance which personally everyone would benefit from.

We use /as to joke, look for Groups, sell/buy stuff. We been gaming with HB/BF since day one. We used to be in a big alliance, but people just get in each other's noses. I dunno how u guys have worked it.

And back to the RR. I have realised it isn't lack of leadership. It is lack of committment. Historically I have suggested RR as many times as I have Died in Emain. All I get is negative feedback:

"Oh it can't be done"
"OH, u need to plan it carefully"
"Oh, some1 in cg will report it"
"stfu Zoy"

Lol, I have actually attempted an RR once anywayz, with the emain Cg. Lol. It didn't go in the history books.

If I had it my way, we would knock on Power relic doors every weekend, but no 1 ever takes me seriously. Tbh I don't know why I had a pop at you guys, when in fact its my Alliance that never listens. The relics should change hands every week, not every 6 months.

The mere fact that we have hardly ever had relics, subconciously brainwashes people to think we CANT have the relics.

 

[Clipse]

People don't follow me, they follow people like Kirrennia, Herbal, the Finsters

 

[Gothika]

there is basicly only 2 large rvr active alliances ( no offense to fellowship, u guys r active in realm defence but cant really be called a rvr alliance ).

these 2 r GoL/HB/BF ( and RB )

and the other 1 is LoD/FC/NO and ofc BOB!

u just dont join an /as like that... there r alot of diffrences between guilds and they r often hostile

and second reason i deteste large /as is because the no spam rules.... LoD /as is teh spam 24/7 (which is good cuz i can keep dissing "dame " der)

so u c the problem... u just dont go join a large /as like that. and i dont know about GoL alliance but i think most alliances (atleast ours) seem pretty happy with their current setup.

Well we are referring to the GoL not your allaince since zoyster admitted it was pretty ineffective. I do agree with what you say to some extent regarding spam etc but if an alliance is ineffective due to size or inactivity etc wouldn't sence suggest join another

 

[Gothika]

We use /as to joke, look for Groups, sell/buy stuff. We been gaming with HB/BF since day one. We used to be in a big alliance, but people just get in each other's noses. I dunno how u guys have worked it.

And back to the RR. I have realised it isn't lack of leadership. It is lack of committment. Historically I have suggested RR as many times as I have Died in Emain. All I get is negative feedback:

"Oh it can't be done"
"OH, u need to plan it carefully"
"Oh, some1 in cg will report it"
"stfu Zoy"

Lol, I have actually attempted an RR once anywayz, with the emain Cg. Lol. It didn't go in the history books.

If I had it my way, we would knock on Power relic doors every weekend, but no 1 ever takes me seriously. Tbh I don't know why I had a pop at you guys, when in fact its my Alliance that never listens. The relics should change hands every week, not every 6 months.

The mere fact that we have hardly ever had relics, subconciously brainwashes people to think we CANT have the relics.

nice post :wub:

 

[Tay]

We use /as to joke, look for Groups, sell/buy stuff. We been gaming with HB/BF since day one. We used to be in a big alliance, but people just get in each other's noses. I dunno how u guys have worked it.

And back to the RR. I have realised it isn't lack of leadership. It is lack of committment. Historically I have suggested RR as many times as I have Died in Emain. All I get is negative feedback:

"Oh it can't be done"
"OH, u need to plan it carefully"
"Oh, some1 in cg will report it"
"stfu Zoy"

Lol, I have actually attempted an RR once anywayz, with the emain Cg. Lol. It didn't go in the history books.

If I had it my way, we would knock on Power relic doors every weekend, but no 1 ever takes me seriously. Tbh I don't know why I had a pop at you guys, when in fact its my Alliance that never listens. The relics should change hands every week, not every 6 months.

The mere fact that we have hardly ever had relics, subconciously brainwashes people to think we CANT have the relics.

I suggest we get bigger alliances.

This has always been the problem, from day one in fact, when I was in my first guild our existing GM had good ties with many other alliances this was a good thing, smaller guilds whilst capable do not generally know about it till its too late to help.

A few big feck orf Alliances would probably solve the issue, you dont need 25+ alliances you need 3-4.

 

[Belomar]

there is basicly only 2 large rvr active alliances ( no offense to fellowship, u guys r active in realm defence but cant really be called a rvr alliance ).

Basically, you are wrong. What is your definition of an RvR alliance anyway? An alliance that consists of RvR guilds?

Get real. :touch:

An alliance implies joint operations between the different guilds in the alliance, and this is not exactly compatible with the FGvsFG philosophy of RvR guilds. In addition, when it comes to RvR on an alliance scale, what we really need is numbers and coordination, not high RRs and gank squads. Therefore, I would call alliances as The Fellowship and the SS alliance to be just as much RvR alliances as the ones you mentioned. In fact, dissing The Fellowship because they "just do realm defense" is a slap in the face to their hard work, and a pathetic comment.

 

[Meduza]

I wanna share a story with you... bla bla bla... Im telling you thats how it worked for me.

(the "bla bla bla" is not a flame etc, just that we dont need to repost all that)

Here comes the flame:

When was this ?!? 2 years ago, when ppl werent l33t g33ks ? I bet this wasnt within this last year!!!

 

[Marc]

If i recall correctly (and if im wrong I apologise) but one time we took the strength relics was on the back of a bled take/farm. Now im not saying that this would happen every single time we take bled, but for 2 weeks, i organised bled takes almost every day, using my own time to run around, get rams etc. I pm'd most "RvR" guilds and the response i got, (except from Ase who brought his wizzie) was "lol noob" or "hmm u take bled and then when mids come PM me and my guild might come" Now i know you pay your subs and you choose how to play the game, but just once it would be nice for a bit of support. Every time an RvR guild asks SS for its help we always come and help and do our utmost to get as many fg's as we can.

 

[Meduza]

In fact, dissing The Fellowship because they "just do realm defense" is a slap in the face to their hard work, and a pathetic comment.

I most certainly agree!

(Hell just froze over )

 

[Tay]

there is basicly only 2 large rvr active alliances ( no offense to fellowship, u guys r active in realm defence but cant really be called a rvr alliance ).

these 2 r GoL/HB/BF ( and RB )

and the other 1 is LoD/FC/NO and ofc BOB!

u just dont join an /as like that... there r alot of diffrences between guilds and they r often hostile

and second reason i deteste large /as is because the no spam rules.... LoD /as is teh spam 24/7 (which is good cuz i can keep dissing "dame " der)

so u c the problem... u just dont go join a large /as like that. and i dont know about GoL alliance but i think most alliances (atleast ours) seem pretty happy with their current setup.

Its basically this, if you want to take part in the big alliances you join one, if you dont then you dont.

If your keen on helping in realm defence its a small price to pay, if its too much for you stick with a no spam rule then dont bother.

Its pretty simple really, when there is a RR against Albs (One day in the furture perhaps) your in the alliance ou know about it, if you aint you wont.

The type of alliance has nothing to do with being able to do or defend a RR, its about communication, you gotta be in it to win it.

 

[Marc]

In fact, dissing The Fellowship because they "just do realm defense" is a slap in the face to their hard work, and a pathetic comment.

Do you really expect anything else from mr "i own, every1 else sucks"?

 

[Painbringer]

Alb performance yesterday was pathetic, and tbh we deserved to have lost the relic because of this. Saying that Fellowship alliance isn't a RvR alliance is offensive, alot of Fellowship members were defending our frontier yesterday afternoon while others continued to zerg emain for no real reason than farming rps, which is just sad Why do you have to be told of hibs/mids doing a RR b4 u actually care or start to help? by then it is far too late, and if you really cared you would be doing what i do every time i log on and during play, check keep and realm/relic status. I was one of the few trying to purge our frontier yesterday afternoon long before the hibs did the RR. Saying that not 1 alb was in frontier to report the hib actions is completely false, alliance channels were spammed and the /bg was constantly updated by ppl like myself who actually gave a damn. So don't start saying bullshit comments when you clearly don't know the facts. The call to arms had been given 2 hours before the RR but only 2-3fga actually gave a damn. You want to blame someone, blame yourself. I will gladly plan a RR if ppl vow to defend them properly, been playing this game for 2 and a half years now and yesterday was one of worst displays by Albion. The Lord of Pain has spoken.

 

[Asha]

Our alliance has 2.5 guilds in it, it makes us very inneffective for Realm co-ordination.

nice one
so who is the .5 now ?

 

[Clipse]

nice one
so who is the .5 now ?

/blush

I heard u guys, might be breaking up, no ? or is that just chinese-whispers?

Asha, u r potentially someone, that could lead a RR too

 

[Aussie]

BF had 11ppl online last night.

 

[Clipse]

mmm at the moment we got nothing to defend. We should be on the offensive permanently.

HAving only 1 relic that we didnt earn ourselves, I suppose put people off camping / RvRing HW, So lets get all 6

 

[Asha]

/blush

I heard u guys, might be breaking up, no ? or is that just chinese-whispers?

Asha, u r potentially someone, that could lead a RR too

chinese-whispers ! I mean mad & fish are back, what more do you want?

And no I couldn't. I would kill ppl irl. I have no patience.

11 roxoring BF >>> the other 2.0 of alliance (except anyu) tbh imo idd

The truth is that HB alliance is so small to protect the rest of Albion from Aussie's spam.

 

[Flimgoblin]

I will gladly plan a RR if ppl vow to defend them properly, been playing this game for 2 and a half years now and yesterday was one of worst displays by Albion. The Lord of Pain has spoken.

I'd help defend a relic that we capture

A relic obtained by unfair means is not one worth defending.

Arthur didn't build this kingdom for us to beg for scraps from Midgard. We are Albion, we take that which is ours, not hang like a dog beneath the table.

guess I'm off to prydwen after that paragraph above

 

[Asha]

Basically, you are wrong. What is your definition of an RvR alliance anyway? An alliance that consists of RvR guilds?

Well, yes. Those two alliances hold the groups that do RvR as FG on a daily basis, except AD (who have tinyheals so they can't be trusted!) They also hold most of the people who led RRs throughout the past 2 years.

And a word or two about GoL. They have always always been the people in Alb who do the dirty work. I mean... back to the early days there was always a GoL person watching relics, mending doors, etc. Because Zoy or Outlaw choose to play in Emain - two people - doesn't mean that the efforts of GoL are any less over two years. There is nothing wrong with them taking pride in it after all the effort they put into it.

An alliance implies joint operations between the different guilds in the alliance, and this is not exactly compatible with the FGvsFG philosophy of RvR guilds.

BS - In our alliance we all had the same general goals and we complimented each other nicely. I assure you there is many joint operations in those alliances. Also, when you have over 100 ppl in a guild it's very hard to even know who is who and who is listening. The more ppl you add to it the more confused it gets.

In addition, when it comes to RvR on an alliance scale, what we really need is numbers and coordination, not high RRs and gank squads. Therefore, I would call alliances as The Fellowship and the SS alliance to be just as much RvR alliances as the ones you mentioned. In fact, dissing The Fellowship because they "just do realm defense" is a slap in the face to their hard work, and a pathetic comment.

Numbers AND Co-ordination. Numbers alone mean nothing if you don't move them. They also mean nothing if the enemy hear you coming. The two alliances you named have more than enough people and wealth to support a RR, yet hardly any come from it. Saying an alliance only do realm defense isn't a diss, it's a statement. Do they organise relic raids? Its not a personal attack. I never organised a relic raid, but I don't get offended if that is pointed out.

 

[Elyand]

ASHA!!!!! :wub: