tl-report-answers

Arnor · Jul 12, 2003

anyone feel like helping me gather the links to the tl-reports with answers from that mythic dude, since it tells us alot of what direction mythic is heading with the game (xcept from straight to hell

old.LandShark · Jul 12, 2003

WTF?!?!?!/!?1 Mythic plays hib/mid! (delete as appropriate)

Good job Arnor, but so far those are the only ones they've actually done. They're going through them in the order they were submitted, not that I know which report that makes 'next on the list' unfortunately :eek:

SilverHood · Jul 12, 2003

lol @ the thane one

"Sorry, but Thanes were a mistake from the begining."
"We will be taking Thane trainers out of the game starting next month".
"Within the next 6 months, we hope to have Thanes removed completely from the game".

Do they even play their own game?

froler-mid · Jul 12, 2003

Originally posted by SilverHood
lol @ the thane one

"Sorry, but Thanes were a mistake from the begining."
"We will be taking Thane trainers out of the game starting next month".
"Within the next 6 months, we hope to have Thanes removed completely from the game".

Do they even play their own game?

hahahahahhaah

Tasans · Jul 12, 2003

Originally posted by SilverHood
lol @ the thane one

"Sorry, but Thanes were a mistake from the begining."
"We will be taking Thane trainers out of the game starting next month".
"Within the next 6 months, we hope to have Thanes removed completely from the game".

Do they even play their own game?

Thane trainers will direct young players to the warrior trainer next door.

kinag · Jul 12, 2003

Originally posted by SilverHood
Do they even play their own game?

No

Arnor · Jul 12, 2003

Originally posted by SilverHood
Do they even play their own game?

yes, they play clerics, druids, healers, chanters, savages, mincers, vp-wizards, played zerkers and play warden for strong pbt ofc ^^

kinag · Jul 12, 2003

Originally posted by Arnor
yes, they play clerics, druids, healers, chanters, savages, mincers, vp-wizards, played zerkers and play warden for strong pbt ofc ^^

Oh, thought they just read the VN boards all day long and looked for some "posts" so they could do some work with future patches..

acei · Jul 12, 2003

bard:
http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=52347938&replies=1

I like this part in the reply from Mythic to his report:

Regrowth –

"No bard specific plans here although we do have some plans to help healers overall."

Garaen · Jul 12, 2003

Weeeaver

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=53303431&replies=18

Roo Stercogburn · Jul 12, 2003

Response to Spirit Master TL on Dark SMs:

"We'll look into the mez durations. Not too keen on the idea of adding a lifetap or AE DD, but put together a case and we can discuss it."

Translation: "No, but we don't want to openly say no."

Mythic seem to think that the only viable Spirit Master should be Suppression spec and that they consider the class finished. Dark SM has suffered from day 1 from being neither fish nor fowl and this continues to be the case it seems.

Hey I can solo a red con mob. Big deal, none of my bag of tricks are particularly good for RvR and I've been in the end game for a year now.

Edited out a much longer post and swearing before posting this.

frols · Jul 12, 2003

Warrior one was very positive. It make me happy

Riddler · Jul 12, 2003

yeah warr feedback were pretty good, but most of it will include all tanks in all realms so

Kagato. · Jul 12, 2003

No armsman one, typical. I'd love to see Mythic justify the current state of the advanced weapon specing in albion.

Driwen · Jul 12, 2003

Originally posted by SilverHood
lol @ the thane one

"Sorry, but Thanes were a mistake from the begining."
"We will be taking Thane trainers out of the game starting next month".
"Within the next 6 months, we hope to have Thanes removed completely from the game".

Do they even play their own game?

3.2.1 Thor's Potence - STR/CON Self Buff - ...
This Buff needs to be increased to the 62pt value so that it would give us a buff that would not need to be upgraded by another class.

This is a reasonable request. I'll look into the viability of making this change.

your self buff might improve. Off course they will need to look at balance effects aswell, but he admits it is a valid point.

3.2.4 Command Mjollnir - Castable AOE spell - This spell is virtually useless to the Thane, ... With a 4 second casting time any caster can interrupt us before we could cast this even if we start first. ...have an additional effect added to it, such as a snare or debuff effect.

No change on the snare or debuff aspect. What we are looking into is lowering the casting time a bit. This will give thanes a better chance of getting the spell off without making it overpowered.

you have problems pulling this spell off and you might get a faster cast time, if you wanted a better effect. Then say that the spell is to weak?

That it should have a stun on it or something (being smashed by a hammer might have that effect

).

5.1.1 Mystic Crystal Lore - Thanes need to have access to Mystic Crystal Lore, (MCL) would allow one of the issues Thanes have, High POW cost spells to be reduced slightly.

Very reasonable request. Will try to make this change happen soon, baring any unforseen implications.

you are prolly getting mcl. So your class might get 3 things changed for the better and you say mythic ignores you? What happens to the classes that only get a no?

SilverHood · Jul 12, 2003

hehe, thanes only problem at the moment is that they die before they can do any damage, and the damage they manage to do isn''t worth talking about

but you've played a Thane for over a year, and surely know better, yes?

Cap'n Sissyfoo · Jul 12, 2003

Urgh...VGN is always so friggin' slow for me. I can't get the paladin team report to load.

hercules-df · Jul 12, 2003

from the hideous pally and wizzie replies made by mythic i hope i get my cabby to 50 or the game will become a total bore, fed up of being a slambot/endchant in rvr with pally, fed up of nuking ppl for pitiful amounts with wizzy, if 1.62 wasent coming and VP was being sorted i think id seriously think about quitting for 6 months or so. SWG might be playable by then, so maybe for a very long time. The game feels far too over complex these days, with everything but the stench of trolls affecting dmg one way or another. I blame SC, wheres the fun gone?
The Fun has gone to the BGs, when mids dont get pissed off with being raped at mb every 30 mins, 1.62 insta bg characters hopefully might balance it out a bit, or at least get some hibs in there.

Arnor · Jul 13, 2003

Originally posted by Kagato.
No armsman one, typical. I'd love to see Mythic justify the current state of the advanced weapon specing in albion.

having the best, by far, no contest melee reducing capabilities, I'd say thats a damn good justification.

Damon_D · Jul 13, 2003

Originally posted by old.LandShark
WTF?!?!?!/!?1 Mythic plays hib/mid! (delete as appropriate)

LOL most of those responses make me think that they dont PLAY any chars at all and least of all midgaard, the fact that they cant see that shadowrun is a piece of shit RA , makes me think they dont have a clue what so ever...

Driwen · Jul 13, 2003

Originally posted by SilverHood
hehe, thanes only problem at the moment is that they die before they can do any damage, and the damage they manage to do isn''t worth talking about

but you've played a Thane for over a year, and surely know better, yes?

thane melee damage is most likely the same or better than hunters and thane have more hitpoints(atleast 13 con more than hunter from it being tertiary skill), thane have chain, parry and shield. Off course thane melee damage might be less than hunters as hunter is using 2hander and thane msot likely 1 hander+shield. But you can cast to make a little bit up for that damage loss. Besides thane defence is better than hunters. I think hunters are reasonable fine, but so are thanes. They aint tanks, so dont expect thane to survive aswell as warriors do, but thanes certainly outlast a hunter. If people pay attention and I do just fine with my hunter in groups.

besides I didnt mean to talk about if thanes were ubergimps or not, but the TL report just mentions a few things and a few points mythic agrees and some not. The feedback is reasonable positive tbh.

scarffs · Jul 13, 2003

Originally posted by driwen
thane melee damage is most likely the same or better than hunters and thane have more hitpoints(atleast 13 con more than hunter from it being tertiary skill), thane have chain, parry and shield. Off course thane melee damage might be less than hunters as hunter is using 2hander and thane msot likely 1 hander+shield. But you can cast to make a little bit up for that damage loss. Besides thane defence is better than hunters. I think hunters are reasonable fine, but so are thanes. They aint tanks, so dont expect thane to survive aswell as warriors do, but thanes certainly outlast a hunter. If people pay attention and I do just fine with my hunter in groups.

besides I didnt mean to talk about if thanes were ubergimps or not, but the TL report just mentions a few things and a few points mythic agrees and some not. The feedback is reasonable positive tbh.

Comparing a thane to a hunter ????
You're prolly waiting for a melee boost for wizards too.
Thanes are tanks, the second tank in Midgard fyi ( tank = shield ).
Or mabe paladins aint tanks either ?

Get a grip.

Nichneven · Jul 13, 2003

I think it's just great that we can never get a straight answer out of Mythic. Why can't they review with their team the suggestions from the TL reports BEFORE they give feedback? I mean, that's not the purpose really but their feedback for the most part just skirts the issues. I want some real answers not a "well maybe but we're not so sure yet so we'll get your hopes up but don't expect much" etc...

they can either say "well we're looking into this that and the other but we don't have any SPECIFIC plans..."

or "we don't really feel the need to make this change but we will be looking at the class as whole.." (basically "no.")

Puh-lease. At least I could come up with better BS than that if I tried

Driwen · Jul 13, 2003

Originally posted by scarffs
Comparing a thane to a hunter ????
You're prolly waiting for a melee boost for wizards too.
Thanes are tanks, the second tank in Midgard fyi ( tank = shield ).
Or mabe paladins aint tanks either ?

Get a grip.

thanes are not real tanks and paladins are good slambots and are needed for their chants. Their damage isnt exactly to write home about, but thats fine as their chants+survivablity makes up for that. However thanes can cast, which is why your survivability is way lower. Resists will get a look after and most likely lowered, which will make mages and thanes aswell more valid for in rvr groups as their damage will increase again.
Btw i was only saying that you shouldnt whine so much about your survivability as i can do fine with my hunter, while you have better armour+shield+more hp. And that allthough my damage might be lower than that off real tanks(zerks+savage+warrior), but thats fine as thanes can cast and I can stealth+use my bow.

and nichneven they most likely will need several weeks to see wether or not the ideas are valid. Besides I dont think it is really writen from several points, it is just the one person reviewing the reports and then replying immediatly. So he just put the ideas or other stuff forward to the people in question and they will need to look at it for some time (atleast i hope) to see wether or not it is a good idea to make that change

.
Just wait abit and see what happens than you will actually have something to scale it on. As it just could be that actually giving it through to mythic means 90% chance on getting it implented. It is atleast better than the way it used to be, as now everyone sort of sees what ideas get turned down and which dont and also why

. So they now know better what to put in the reports.

Ryo · Jul 13, 2003

from the hideous pally and wizzie replies made by mythic i hope i get my cabby to 50 or the game will become a total bore, fed up of being a slambot/endchant in rvr with pally, fed up of nuking ppl for pitiful amounts with wizzy

You think wizards nuke for a pitiful amount of damage and look forward to your cabby being 50 ? Oh well

Fear those 6 x 75 point damage dots that tick for 24 secs but never kill anyone except if they crit on a hurt target, or our evil 150 (-130) lifetaps. Or did you think Bob can kill anyone in RVR ? Cant remember when my pet last did.....

Kagato. · Jul 13, 2003

Originally posted by Arnor
having the best, by far, no contest melee reducing capabilities, I'd say thats a damn good justification.

Your not still whining about BoF are you?

Thats got sod all to do with the advanced weapon spec situration that hinders albions tanks hidiously. I want an explanation from Mythic specifically on why armsman and paladins are hindered by this as a class, I don't give a damn about the albion RA's, thats addressed in the cleric TL's report.

Silence · Jul 14, 2003

warrior link just gives me forum list

<shrugs>

id rather not comment of some mystic replys, cause i would swear too much and cease up.

Arnor · Jul 14, 2003

Originally posted by Kagato.
Your not still whining about BoF are you?

Thats got sod all to do with the advanced weapon spec situration that hinders albions tanks hidiously. I want an explanation from Mythic specifically on why armsman and paladins are hindered by this as a class, I don't give a damn about the albion RA's, thats addressed in the cleric TL's report.

you think melee reducing abilities are only about bof?

I think it's pretty fair tbh. Armsmen have the possibility to outdmg both warriors and heroes (its been tested) and then letting them have high def skills ontop of the dmg and the not-taking-dmg shit? i think it's pretty fine.

Flimgoblin · Jul 14, 2003

Arnor you rock - for getting one place with all the links! rah!

Flimgoblin · Jul 14, 2003

Originally posted by Arnor
(its been tested)

please post some logs

unless you mean the growth rate on rage/revenge is slightly higher than ragnarok..

so if you style at an armsman they can do more damage - wow, what a great tradeoff for no defence

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