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[Gwadien]

Imagine <insert whatever irrelevant fantasy you can come up with here>. Yeah. Just "imagine" eh?

We don't need to imagine. Reality is enough: A murderer played the race card and indoctrinated police started acting according to their racial training, and they handcuffed a white lad who'd been falsely accused to die of his stab wounds whilst crying out - all the whilst calling him a liar because they believed he was racist.


I said religious minorities and our policies affecting all walks of life. I'm well aware he was Sikh, and Sikhs get special legal or "two tier" treatment on knife-carry laws, and that muslims get special legal or "two tier" exemptions on animal cruelty laws.

But the white christian or non-religious people don't, do they. What special exemptions for being indigenous British do we get? I fancy carrying a knife and slitting animals throats.

Oh wait. I don't! I live in the first post-religious country on the planet and we've gone some distance to relegating these abhorrent idiocies into the past - yet I'm bending the knee to barbaric religions rather than saying "if you live here, you follow these rules, just like everybody else". Because if I said it, I'd get called racist.


Your beloved fucking Kier admitted in Parliament this afternoon that this was a problem.

Because it's a fucking problem.

But Keir's part of the problem. Labour are doubling down on the same shit that they introduced the last time they were in power.

Aaand we'll stop there, getting too emotional again

Actually, no.

So you're telling me you actually believe that the police training for a perceived racist attack is to ignore possible death to deal with the racist part first?

 

[Scouse]

I'm not arguing it was racial at all, I think it was lazy incompetence. Occam's Razor always points to incompetence over conspiracy.

Absolutely it was incompetence. 100%.

But they turned up "I was attacked by this racist piece of shit" - and their brains went "that must be it" and acted (incompetently) according to their diversity & anti-racism training (or whatever).

I mean, they were incompetent and still wrong - but absolutely policy is the foundation for the way the idiots acted.

 

[Scouse]

So you're telling me you actually believe that the police training for a perceived racist attack is to ignore possible death to deal with the racist part first?

No. I'm clearly not saying that. And if that's where you genuinely ended up after what I wrote I can't help ya.

 

[Gwadien]

Absolutely it was incompetence. 100%.

But they turned up "I was attacked by this racist piece of shit" - and their brains went "that must be it" and acted (incompetently) according to their diversity & anti-racism training (or whatever).

I mean, they were incompetent and still wrong - but absolutely policy is the foundation for the way the idiots acted.

Bollocks, you do not know this.

Nobody knows this.

As for your part about Keir talking about it in Parliament - yeah, because he's pandering to the Reform lot, rather than doing the sensible grown up thing and let proper processes run.

White lives matter I guess.

 

[Scouse]

I guess the concepts must be very threatening to your worldview. Sad.

The fact that you use "white lives matter" and can only conceive of it as it being a racist, rather than potentially equalitarian concept, a kickback against racist ideology (which, whilst undoubtedly is adopted wholeheartedly by racists, isn't inherently a racist idea) kinda sets where you're at.

All lives matter. No matter the colour of people's skin.

 

[DaGaffer]

Absolutely it was incompetence. 100%.

But they turned up "I was attacked by this racist piece of shit" - and their brains went "that must be it" and acted (incompetently) according to their diversity & anti-racism training (or whatever).

I mean, they were incompetent and still wrong - but absolutely policy is the foundation for the way the idiots acted.

Or, counterpoint, they just believed the first person who spoke to them. You're filling in a lot of blanks yourself while literally claiming they're doing the same.

 

[Scouse]

Or, counterpoint, they just believed the first person who spoke to them. You're filling in a lot of blanks yourself while literally claiming they're doing the same.

I do like your "occam's razor" shortcut and it explains some of the issue, but not all of it.

No, it's not 'normal' policing for cops turn up and believe the first person they speak to. That's not a fair assessment of them - they have extensive training to counter this exact cognitive bias = not to anchor on the first narrative. They're trained to separate allegation from evidence, prioritise medical emergency and constantly reassess.

But this didn't happen here. And when they didn't do that, it followed a pattern - that is borne out in the footage:

• Modern UK police training emphasises believing victims of hate incidents.
• Officers are taught to treat allegations of racism as high‑risk, high‑priority
• This can create a cognitive shortcut

You can see that exact pattern in the footage: they instantly accept the racism claim, treat the alleged racist as the threat and ignore the bleeding collapsing desparate victim in front of their own eyes.

Their training caused a cognitive shortcut. And that's why Starmer is saying there's a problem with the training materials and that we're going to look at them.

He's not saying that simply because Farage is a thundercunt. He's saying it because it's true.

Absolutely this was incompetence. But it was made more likely because it was trained in.

 

[DaGaffer]

I do like your "occam's razor" shortcut and it explains some of the issue, but not all of it.

No, it's not 'normal' policing for cops turn up and believe the first person they speak to. That's not a fair assessment of them - they have extensive training to counter this exact cognitive bias = not to anchor on the first narrative. They're trained to separate allegation from evidence, prioritise medical emergency and constantly reassess.

But this didn't happen here. And when they didn't do that, it followed a pattern - that is borne out in the footage:

• Modern UK police training emphasises believing victims of hate incidents.
• Officers are taught to treat allegations of racism as high‑risk, high‑priority
• This can create a cognitive shortcut

You can see that exact pattern in the footage: they instantly accept the racism claim, treat the alleged racist as the threat and ignore the bleeding collapsing desparate victim in front of their own eyes.

Their training caused a cognitive shortcut. And that's why Starmer is saying there's a problem with the training materials and that we're going to look at them.

He's not saying that simply because Farage is a thundercunt. He's saying it because it's true.

Absolutely this was incompetence. But it was made more likely because it was trained in.

So you're claiming they're highly trained, and incompetent?

 

[Scouse]

So you're claiming they're highly trained, and incompetent?

You can train people to do all dorts of sruff. Doesn't mean they don't fuck up.

Think of your own job and the people you manage...

 

[DaGaffer]

You can train people to do all dorts of sruff. Doesn't mean they don't fuck up.

Think of your own job and the people you manage...

Yeees....keep going.

 

[Deebs]

Spot the issue with this listing on diy.com

 

[BloodOmen]

Spot the issue with this listing on diy.com

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.... what kind of fucking telephone do they have!? lol

 

[Embattle]

I think the reaction of Henry Nowak death reeks of right wing opportunism. Do the police have questions to answer, sure but nothing to the scale of the noise that some are making.

 

[Raven]

My Google AI just complimented my wallpaper on my phone. How do I eradicate his bilge from my phone?!, Another tedious job for the list.

 

[BloodOmen]

Bit dark... but couldn't resist

 

[Scouse]

I think the reaction of Henry Nowak death reeks of right wing opportunism. Do the police have questions to answer, sure but nothing to the scale of the noise that some are making.

I seem to remember massive riots and worldwide knee bending when George Floyd was hissing that he couldn't breathe at the hands of cops. I think we tore down some statues. And he wasn't even a brit.

A night of throwing stuff about down south and some questions in parliament seems sensible and proportionate tbh.

 

[Gwadien]

I seem to remember massive riots and worldwide knee bending when George Floyd was hissing that he couldn't breathe at the hands of cops. I think we tore down some statues. And he wasn't even a brit.

A night of throwing stuff about down south and some questions in parliament seems sensible and proportionate tbh.

As if you just compared this to George Floyd, lol.

 

[Scouse]

As if you just compared this to George Floyd, lol.

I know you don't care about a stabbing victim failed by cops who's job it was to protect him, to check him for stab wounds and get medical attention, not to cuff him, laugh and call him a liar as he lay there bleeding to death, crying out that he couldn't breathe.

I mean, the only thing they did differently was they didn't kneel on his fucking neck.

 

[Gwadien]

I know you don't care about a stabbing victim failed by cops who's job it was to protect him, to check him for stab wounds and get medical attention, not to cuff him, laugh and call him a liar as he lay there bleeding to death, crying out that he couldn't breathe.

I mean, the only thing they did differently was they didn't kneel on his fucking neck.

Don't care, lol.

Probably don't actually, much like I didn't really care about George Floyd, but the cases are clearly different.

George Floyd was killed by the police.

This guy wasn't, he was stabbed by a nutter.

Should the copper have the book thrown at him? Absolutely. Are they culpable for his death? Absolutely fucking not.

Still. Don't get how we can make judgements from a 2 minute clip, but any excuse for the old 'I'm sick of increasing equalities, so any opportunity'.

 

[DaGaffer]

I know you don't care about a stabbing victim failed by cops who's job it was to protect him, to check him for stab wounds and get medical attention, not to cuff him, laugh and call him a liar as he lay there bleeding to death, crying out that he couldn't breathe.

I mean, the only thing they did differently was they didn't kneel on his fucking neck.

You do know that he was dead within a few minutes of the police arriving on the scene? While they're going to have an inquest to see if the police response contributed to his death, it's entirely performative; he'd been stabbed in the heart. The behaviour of the police in terms of language and attitude is what's being seized on here, but that has nothing to do with why he died and once again, you seem really keen to fill in the blanks with your own narrative here. I think you need to step back and take a long hard look at yourself, because the "only asking questions" persona you like to portray is looking really fucking thin at the moment.

If you want to be the new @Job on the scene that's fine, but at least have the honesty to own it.

 

[Scouse]

If you want to be the new @Job on the scene that's fine, but at least have the honesty to own it.

All political parties have said there's a problem. From the PM down.

That's hardly me being a thinly veiled racist is it...

 

[DaGaffer]

All political parties have said there's a problem. From the PM down.

That's hardly me being a thinly veiled racist is it...

All political parties are pandering to the mob because they are following (not leading) the line being drawn that police wokery was responsible for Henry Nowak's death; it wasn't, but Reform Yaxley-Lennon and fucking Elon Musk and all the other cunts are writing the narrative.

The police might well have a policy of believing the darker complexioned fellow first, but it has fuck all to do with Henry Nowak's death, but just like the flag waving cunts with an agenda, you're saying "this is the reason, no arguments" because you want it to be true, not because it is.

What the Starmer should be saying, is there might be an issue here, we'll look into it, but that wouldn't help with his shitty popularity ratings. But of course Starmer isn't completely incompetent when it suits your agenda.

And let's be very fucking clear here, there's no "thinly veiled" about it.

 

[Scouse]

And let's be very fucking clear here, there's no "thinly veiled" about it.

Just in case I've got the wrong end of the stick, which I hope I have, but I really want to be clear, is that an accusation of racism?

 

[Raven]

Bought 1kg of Skittles