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[Bodhi]

Just another revenue generator precursor, how much cash are they raising on the cameras is all they're after, no different than finishing a new river tunnel just to allow the introduction of a toll on the pre existing one. Anything he talks about transport related is only to dip into pockets.


Actual sensible public transport matters, meh, e.g.

TfL reveals details of North Greenwich's planned SL11 Superloop bus - The Greenwich Wire

Transport for London has revealed details of its planned Superloop bus between North Greenwich and Abbey Wood, which would replace the existing 472 service.

greenwichwire.co.uk

Plus the report he's relying on is just as dodgy as the one the Welsh advocates relied on.

We have a couple of 20 mph zones round here. None enforced, and all ignored, as all silly rules should be.

 

[Deebs]

Ok, read this

In the UK, the government spent approximately £6.1 billion on national roads and £6 billion on local roads during the 2023/24 financial year. This figure is part of a larger transport expenditure of £26.8 billion on railways, £4.9 billion on local public transport, and £2.3 billion on other transport

Read my post earlier, so over £32 billion raised from motorists in the same year, where did the rest of the money go considering the state of our roads?

 

[Scouse]

Ok, read this



Read my post earlier, so over £32 billion raised from motorists in the same year, where did the rest of the money go considering the state of our roads?

Yeah. Motorists get rinsed. That's a given.

Electric car owners will be too - no way the UK can give up that source of income.

It's like moving to cloud. Cheap at first then when you're there they whack up the cost.

Difference is, you can't relocate your car back on-prem.

 

[Raven]

Trivial fucking bullshit.

Lammy admits fishing without licence on Vance trip

The foreign secretary has written to the Environment Agency to tell them about the error, and has now bought a licence.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

Trivial fucking bullshit.

Lammy admits fishing without licence on Vance trip

The foreign secretary has written to the Environment Agency to tell them about the error, and has now bought a licence.

www.bbc.co.uk

They arrest people for fishing without a licence. He should have a licence

 

[Gwadien]

They arrest people for fishing without a licence. He should have a licence

You fucking what?

no

 

[Scouse]

You fucking what?

no

From the gov.uk website:

Some 38 people from across the North East and Yorkshire have been fined hundreds of times the cost of an annual licence for fishing illegally

So, are you saying our elected representatives should be above the law?

If you're fishing, you need a licence. Whether you're chatting with the vice president or not, no?

On the beeb:

We do check, regularly, and we prosecute, always

So, Lammy should be prosecuted. We would pick up a criminal record. So should Lammy.

 

[Scouse]

Anyway. Tony Blair getting his way at last:

Government expands police use of live facial recognition vans

The Home Office says the technology helps locate suspects but civil liberties groups warn of heightened surveillance.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Gwadien]

From the gov.uk website:



So, are you saying our elected representatives should be above the law?

If you're fishing, you need a licence. Whether you're chatting with the vice president or not, no?

On the beeb:



So, Lammy should be prosecuted. We would pick up a criminal record. So should Lammy.

Fined... you said arrested.

 

[Scouse]

Fined... you said arrested.

It's an arrestable offence. If the po-po rock up they could well arrest you*.

But regardless of the pedantism - you get a criminal record. Lammy should be prosecuted. There are administrative routes, but as the environment agency says above - they always prosecute.


*edit: And they arrest old people for praying and holding up signs nowadays. So fishing without a licence is akin to supporting Jimmy Savile eh?

 

[Raven]

They arrest people for fishing without a licence. He should have a licence

It was a photo op, who cares, a full page story about this inane shit. I think there are slightly more important things in and around Vance's meeting with Starmer.

 

[Bodhi]

Normally I'd agree it's a bit of a non story. However when it's a politician that belongs to a party that specialises in petty bureaucracy and silly rules falling foul of petty bureaucracy and silly rules, I can help but laugh.

I think the Germans have a word for it.

Kuntz?

 

[Scouse]

It was a photo op, who cares

I care when politicians don't have to follow laws that I can pick up a criminal record for - and lose my job over.

It's more important that politicians not only follow the law, but are seen to follow the law. This is a very basic principle of any 'democracy'.

If he gets a free pass, then we should all get a free pass. However, considering our beauracracy has stated it prosecutes everyone - then that should also include Lammy. Who should pick up a blemish on his criminal record.

 

[Tom]

Um it is not fines, fucking road tax, petrol.

These do not cover the external costs of private motoring, such as collisions, serious injuries, deaths, health problems including obesity, social problems including severance of communities and how motoring negatively affects active travel. It isn't even close. Motoring is heavily subsidised by the general taxpayer.

 

[Deebs]

These do not cover the external costs of private motoring, such as collisions, serious injuries, deaths, health problems including obesity, social problems including severance of communities and how motoring negatively affects active travel. It isn't even close. Motoring is heavily subsidised by the general taxpayer.

Car insurance will cover collisions, serious injuries, deaths, as for social problems any form of transport will have the same effect but at a different pace. Christ if we went back to horses we would be complaining of shit everywhere and how the air is hard to breathe.

 

[Scouse]

These do not cover the external costs of private motoring, such as collisions, serious injuries, deaths, health problems including obesity, social problems including severance of communities and how motoring negatively affects active travel. It isn't even close. Motoring is heavily subsidised by the general taxpayer.

To some extent I agree with this. But it also allows for a lot of economic expansion.

But we'd probably still be better off if we kept horses, travelled locally, and used motorised transport for goods, not people.



Edit: Lol, hadn't refreshed before @Deebs posted:

Car insurance will cover collisions, serious injuries, deaths, as for social problems any form of transport will have the same effect but at a different pace. Christ if we went back to horses we would be complaining of shit everywhere and how the air is hard to breathe.

Car insurance covers dick. It certainly doesn't cover the costs of serious injuries and deaths, not even close. They are massively subsidised.

Horse shit smells better than car exhaust btw. And it doesn't come with all the cancer.

 

[Tom]

Car insurance will cover collisions, serious injuries, deaths, as for social problems any form of transport will have the same effect but at a different pace. Christ if we went back to horses we would be complaining of shit everywhere and how the air is hard to breathe.

It doesn't. Councils usually end up paying for repairs to infrastructure. No amount of money can repay a serious injury or death. Buses or trains cost the taxpayer far less, and pay back a lot more. Walking and cycling spending returns more money than it costs.

You can go back to horses if you like, but I'd rather live in a society where people have the option to travel how they please. Right now, in the UK, they don't. I like cars, but I hate car dependency.

You can disagree, but ask yourself why so many parents won't let their children play in the street, or explore the several miles we used to when we were in primary school. Or ride their bikes without being scared out of their wits. It isn't perverts on street corners - it's too many vehicles on the road.

 

[Raven]

All the buses round here are enormous diesel double-deckers, always empty. They should be smaller, electric vehicles. Complete waste of money.

But...

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