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Apart from it does work, isn't cheap, but cheaper than bringing online new nuclear in p/kwh saved and is a requirement if we're going to beat this, is mandatory - not an option.

Yes, meanwhile, in reality. People don't like being told what to spend their money on.

They could ban double decker buses too, that just chug around completely empty...but they won't.
 

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People don't like being told what to spend their money on.
Yes. We should base the planet's survival around what retards want.

Legislation forces retards to do the right things. That's why we're supposed to have leaders. Unfortunately, the ones we've got are self-interested retards too.

And those leaders should be spending tax money on this - so retards don't have to feel they're dipping into their own pockets. Print some cash and instead of giving it to banks - and therefore rich people's pockets - put it into badly needed regeneration. Create jobs, solve the problems, yadda yadda yadda.
 

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There are lots of things that should be done, not specifically to do with the environment, but a democracy being a democracy, you don't achieve change by just telling people they are retards.
 

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Wife wants the heating on, it's her birthday on Friday.

Nope.
 

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There are lots of things that should be done, not specifically to do with the environment, but a democracy being a democracy, you don't achieve change by just telling people they are retards.
Don't give a fuck about telling people what to do. Whether they're retards or not.

I want government to take the correct corrective actions through legislation.

That's not calling people retards. It's making retards do things they should be doing.
 

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Wife wants the heating on, it's her birthday on Friday.

Nope.
Had a fire once since April when the o/h's parents were around to weekends ago. I didn't want to light it (it was 15 degrees) and I thought it was fine but, you know, old people.

Today is the first day I've thought "maybe it's time". It's about 7 degrees at the moment. But I've got blankets and the cat is sat on my legs. :)
 

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Don't give a fuck about telling people what to do. Whether they're retards or not.

I want government to take the correct corrective actions through legislation.

That's not calling people retards. It's making retards do things they should be doing.
Making people that have different priorities or views to @Scouse do what @Scouse wants them to do.
 

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Making people that have different priorities or views to @Scouse do what @Scouse wants them to do.
I can't help it if retards don't get it. With an average IQ of 100, what do you expect?

I'm past arguing about it or trying to convince people with facts. That's been completely ineffective for my entire lifetime.
 

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To be fair to them, and nobody likes a Tory, they didn't create the panic, and we would have been fine if the media didn't need a story to feed off for a week. They have been reacting to stupidity on a massive scale.
 

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Just goes to show you that humans aren't rational.

I'd see staying level - but increasing leads are people changing their minds in favour of tories whilst there's a fuel fuckup and all of the other shit.
 

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To be fair to them, and nobody likes a Tory, they didn't create the panic, and we would have been fine if the media didn't need a story to feed off for a week. They have been reacting to stupidity on a massive scale.
This is true. But an increase?

They did, after all, create the underlying reasons for the shortage. And not just brexit - they've known there's been a shortfall in drivers for the decade they've been in power.
 

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This is true. But an increase?

They did, after all, create the underlying reasons for the shortage. And not just brexit - they've known there's been a shortfall in drivers for the decade they've been in power.

The problem you have is Labour gave the typical response, they had an internal argument at their conference during the "crisis".
 

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The problem you have is Labour gave the typical response, they had an internal argument at their conference during the "crisis".
But that's sort of what conferences are for. To sort the dirty laundry out and fix a direction.

What do you expect labour to do during the crisis? They're not in charge of anything - all they can do is shout "tories are shit" - at which point Labour get a kicking for doing nothing but moan.

This is a tory issue, they created it, it's their job to fix it - as the tories are our management.


The dip for Labour is cultural knee-jerk IMO. "Lets blame the lefties for shit". I think it's been successfully ingrained in wide swathes of society by our rich people-owned tory-backing media.
 

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No comback @Embattle? I think that's a reasonable argument. The tories are in power, it's their job to fix (and prevent it in the first place), so why the massive swing to the people who're responsible for the cluster fuck?
 

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No comback @Embattle? I think that's a reasonable argument. The tories are in power, it's their job to fix (and prevent it in the first place), so why the massive swing to the people who're responsible for the cluster fuck?

You would think it's a reasonable argument hence you keep using it and it is as wrong then as it is now, but not to worry as long as Labour folks think the same they'll never get into power.
 

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You would think it's a reasonable argument hence you keep using it and it is as wrong then as it is now, but not to worry as long as Labour folks think the same they'll never get into power.
Tell me why I'm wrong?

I'm totally open to being wrong. 100%.

However, I've given you a bit of reasoning why I think you're talking crap. You've just facepalmed and gone "wrong". It's all you ever do.

Why am I wrong @Embattle? I've no love for Labour - that's clear. But it's also clear that the Tories are in power, they've been in power for ages, they're culpable for the driver shortages that have been chronic in the country for a long time and they're culpable for the fuel shortage - and it's THEIR job to fix it.

So why is that wrong?
 

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Tell me why I'm wrong?

I'm totally open to being wrong. 100%.

However, I've given you a bit of reasoning why I think you're talking crap. You've just facepalmed and gone "wrong". It's all you ever do.

Why am I wrong @Embattle? I've no love for Labour - that's clear. But it's also clear that the Tories are in power, they've been in power for ages, they're culpable for the driver shortages that have been chronic in the country for a long time and they're culpable for the fuel shortage - and it's THEIR job to fix it.

So why is that wrong?

My point was that it was typical Labour to have an internal fight become their main story while the government was in crisis with fuel shortages, in essence you believe it doesn't matter when in reality polling will show it does.
 

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My point was that it was typical Labour to have an internal fight become their main story while the government was in crisis with fuel shortages, in essence you believe it doesn't matter when in reality polling will show it does.
I'm absolutely prepared to accept that - and in fact I already have and have explicitly addressed it.

It's moronic that Labour is getting a panning when the Tories are in charge for all of it.

There's no debate that labour are getting panned for it. Everyone can see that. My question is - why are morons (for that is the only thing they can be) turning MORE Tory when the Tories are managing, responsible and culpable for an absolute shitshow.

In fact a series of shitshows.
 

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If the Tories declared war on France, Embattle would still say it was because of the lack of opposition.
 

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Is Pointless the best thing (Outside of the big drama shows) that the BBC airs on TV?
 

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