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At the same time Labour declares war on its self.
Who cares?

If the Tories are a clear and present shitshow - impacting negatively in a very real way on people's lives and the economy - why are MORE people voting for them?

It's not rational.
 

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At the same time Labour declares war on its self.
BTW - it's not a true statement. A correct description would be "publicly deciding on party policy".

The Tories do it undemocratically and behind closed doors. Labour get to vote on it - so of course there is conflict. It's not Labour's fault that the retard british public doesn't get that point - that this is a good thing - but it does appear to cause them problems.

A rational response would be to demand the Tories are as transparent as Labour. But they'd never do that because it's a shitshow of vested interests and rich people setting policy - so they don't want that uproar getting out (and media owners don't want the spotlight turned on them either).

Far better to let the retard british public think labour are a bigger shitshow.
 

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If you piss in public, get filmed, don't whine about it ending up on porn sites.


Whilst I sympathise - and I really do - there's no way of legislating against this without violating the principle of being able to film and photograph in public. So my answer to them would be the same as the judges: "tough titties ladies - you get your flaps out in public then that's the deal".
 

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If you piss in public, get filmed, don't whine about it ending up on porn sites.


Whilst I sympathise - and I really do - there's no way of legislating against this without violating the principle of being able to film and photograph in public. So my answer to them would be the same as the judges: "tough titties ladies - you get your flaps out in public then that's the deal".

Wow. So you'd quite like the right to film and photograph women who got caught short and had to go in public?

That's impressively perverted tbh.
 

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If you piss in public, get filmed, don't whine about it ending up on porn sites.


Whilst I sympathise - and I really do - there's no way of legislating against this without violating the principle of being able to film and photograph in public. So my answer to them would be the same as the judges: "tough titties ladies - you get your flaps out in public then that's the deal".

That's some weird opinion.
 

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Who cares?

If the Tories are a clear and present shitshow - impacting negatively in a very real way on people's lives and the economy - why are MORE people voting for them?

It's not rational.

Fewer people vote for Tories than those that don't. Most people just don't bother voting because they have nobody to vote for.

Labour should be in a position to beat them, if they weren't either off the chart nuts (previous lot) or as much use as tits on a pig (Starmer) If they sorted their shit out then they could win.

Obviously it is not the fault of Labour for Tories being Tory, but they are the reason the Tories win with such a small amount of the population in favour of them. Come up with a viable and attractive option to the electorate, and engage with them, win seats. It's not actually that hard.
 

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Wow. So you'd quite like the right to film and photograph women who got caught short and had to go in public?
We already do.

You can't legislate that out without impacting other things. If an artist or journalist takes a photo of a group of women pissing on the pavement (or men) and publishes it in the papers with commentary then people wouldn't complain. It's the fact that some wanker published it to porn sites is the problem.

The solution is NOT to ban photography or filming what goes on in public. The clue is in the name - PUBLIC.

Anyone wants to tighten up legislation around porn sites? I don't really care about that - that's a different argument. But filming in public? Yeah - no problem with ANYTHING that you film in public - as is the law and has been for donkeys years.

@Big G do you still haunt? :)
 

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We already do.

You can't legislate that out without impacting other things. If an artist or journalist takes a photo of a group of women pissing on the pavement (or men) and publishes it in the papers with commentary then people wouldn't complain. It's the fact that some wanker published it to porn sites is the problem.

The solution is NOT to ban photography or filming what goes on in public. The clue is in the name - PUBLIC.

Anyone wants to tighten up legislation around porn sites? I don't really care about that - that's a different argument. But filming in public? Yeah - no problem with ANYTHING that you film in public - as is the law and has been for donkeys years.

@Big G do you still haunt? :)

Have you considered a job with the Metropolitan Police? As that's some proper dodgy thinking you've got going on there.
 

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We already do.

You can't legislate that out without impacting other things. If an artist or journalist takes a photo of a group of women pissing on the pavement (or men) and publishes it in the papers with commentary then people wouldn't complain. It's the fact that some wanker published it to porn sites is the problem.

The solution is NOT to ban photography or filming what goes on in public. The clue is in the name - PUBLIC.

Anyone wants to tighten up legislation around porn sites? I don't really care about that - that's a different argument. But filming in public? Yeah - no problem with ANYTHING that you film in public - as is the law and has been for donkeys years.

@Big G do you still haunt? :)

So you're telling me if you're in a public toilet taking a piss and someone took a photo of your nob (and your face) and plastered it all over the public domain you'd be completely cool with that?

Bollocks.
 

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So you're telling me if you're in a public toilet taking a piss and someone took a photo of your nob (and your face) and plastered it all over the public domain you'd be completely cool with that?
If someone took a photo of me - knob out - pissing up a wall on a saturday night out, and it made the national newspapers under the headline "look at this wankered scouse cunt pissing on the walls - what a disgusting situation" - I'd probably be a bit miffed.

But it's fair. It's reporting what I'd done in public. And it's also totally legal - because I got my knob out in the public domain - so fair enough.


If someone posted it to a porn site so people could wank to it I honestly wouldn't be bothered enough to give a shit, but I realise others would. So the action is not "STOP PHOTOGRAPHS" - but it's potentially look at what porn sites are allowed to make money off.
 

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If someone took a photo of me - knob out - pissing up a wall on a saturday night out, and it made the national newspapers under the headline "look at this wankered scouse cunt pissing on the walls - what a disgusting situation" - I'd probably be a bit miffed.

But it's fair. It's reporting what I'd done in public. And it's also totally legal - because I got my knob out in the public domain - so fair enough.


If someone posted it to a porn site so people could wank to it I honestly wouldn't be bothered enough to give a shit, but I realise others would. So the action is not "STOP PHOTOGRAPHS" - but it's potentially look at what porn sites are allowed to make money off.

I don't think I've seen any newspaper or such post pictures of people pissing in public, anonymous or not.

You're still chatting shit though, these women are rightly outraged at having explicit videos of them published, anywhere. Not just because it's a porn site.

When has it been acceptable to publish content like that, anywhere? Sure, you're going to say 'yeah but you're free to do that' but haven't these women also got a right to be anonymous?

I think this view also supports stuff like upskirting as you can make the exact same arguments that you have to defend it.
 

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You're still chatting shit though, these women are rightly outraged at having explicit videos of them published, anywhere.
Wrongly outraged.

You do shit in public, then you take the consequences.
 

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There are, rightfully, limits to what you can do in public. I can't imagine many people would be too happy if someone got a big telephoto shot of a 2-year-old girl's privates, while she was squatting to pee in a public park.

As for the case in Spain, there's a difference between taking a general picture of someone having a pee down a secluded alley, and taking a telephoto or close-range shot of their genitals while doing so.
 

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There are, rightfully, limits to what you can do in public. I can't imagine many people would be too happy if someone got a big telephoto shot of a 2-year-old girl's privates, while she was squatting to pee in a public park.

As for the case in Spain, there's a difference between taking a general picture of someone having a pee down a secluded alley, and taking a telephoto or close-range shot of their genitals while doing so.
Agree Tom.

But taking a photo of a little girl peeing in a park. It's not automatically pornographic. In fact - it's something to be laughed at that's happening in a public place. A keen-eyed photographer could take a photo of that and normal people would go "ah cute". And that's how it should be.

You got the ubiquitous photo of you and maybe your brothers or sisters when you were kids - in the bath from the 1970's that your mum or dad took? Covered in suds and smiling innocently? Maybe pulled out at your 18th birthday by tearful parents? That's not even in public? It's more akin to that.

Is this pornographic? I'm pretty sure someone could wank to it.

I think we have to be very careful about calling for legislation about what we can and cannot view that happens in public places. Because it's very easy for public spaces to become heavily regulated spaces. When the answer is - if you don't want people to see what you do, don't do it in public.

Gwadien's immediate reach for the worst examples ever (yeah, I clearly support upskirting because I think public photography needs protecting) is just daft. And we've legislated against upskirting. But if you're fucking in a side alley and people plaster it all over the internet? Tough shit. Don't fuck in public.

Your "telephoto lens of a baby's privates" argument is clearly a similar argument to Gwadien's and not what's being talked about.
 

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What is this I don't even.

Can someone get @Job on the phone please.
 
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Who cares?

If the Tories are a clear and present shitshow - impacting negatively in a very real way on people's lives and the economy - why are MORE people voting for them?

It's not rational.
Apparently you do
 

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All British chocolate is shit. Although the dark chocolate Choceur Aldi sell is allright.

But you've never had chocolate until you've been to a French supermarket. They have half an aisle devoted to about 500 versions.
 

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Always preferred the milked down UK version myself. But I'm not a huge chocoholic. Also dont like dark chocolate.

Swiss and Belgium is supposed to be the best.
 

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Chocolate from any european supermarket is significantly better than british choclate tbh..
 

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Galaxy chocolate is better than Dairy milk.

Fight me.

No argument from me. Dairy Milk has been getting progressively worse since Mondelez took over.

I have no doubt that Euro stuff is better though, but I cba trying different brands to find out as I don't eat enough to really care.
 

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