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[Scouse]

Actually most does cut it

No it doesn't.

Devil is in the detail, which you appear to be missing:

If you are driving that long and half an hour fast charge (down to 20 mins with the new teslas apparently) is a total deal breaker perhaps plan your trips better

1) Fast charge is for a tesla is 1 hour and 25 minutes - not half an hour
2) If I have to add an hour and 25 minutes onto my weekend trips then I don't get to eat on a Friday night and I also have to go out of my way to find charging systems because typically my destinations are remote.

Planning is exactly what I do for my weekends - down to the minute and I'm really good at it as I've been living this lifestyle for a long long time. I look at electric cars and there's no getting around it - they're utterly unsuitable for me and no amount of planning can fix that. There *has* to be a technological fix.

The biggest problems adaptation faces is range anxiety (see scouses post above) which is a lot of misinformation and myths

Range anxiety it may be - but it's not "misinformation and myths" - it's utterly unworkable as it currently is for me.

At the moment current car technology suits everyone's needs. Electric car tech may suit "most" people but "most" fucks over a lot of people. It's the age-old human thing - as long as "most" get covered then who gives a fuck about minorities eh?

Again - I'm all for it. If they could get a full charge down to, say, 20 minutes I could perhaps justify an electric car (though it would definitely still annoy me).

 

[Scouse]

The "I" being the key part

...

"most" fucks over a lot of people. It's the age-old human thing - as long as "most" get covered then who gives a fuck about minorities eh?

I'd wink, but I don't find it funny tbh. It's a serious issue with the tech that needs fixing.

 

[Ormorof]

Like i said the I being the key part

For you the technology is not yet ready for your needs

For vast majority of drivers it IS ready for their needs

So dont be an early adapter

 

[Scouse]

So dont be an early adapter

I'm not 100% sure that they'll ever get it down to quick recharge. Maybe carbon nanotube batteries will do the trick - apparently their charging is almost insant. Give it another 25 years...

I won't be an early adopter tho. I've only owned 3 cars since I was 17. I run them all into the ground. Apart from being much cheaper it's also the most environmentally responsible thing to do. The type-r is coming up on 200,000 miles soon. Looks like a wreck, but the engine is still sweet. Honda were right on the money when they made that vtech engine

 

[Bodhi]

On the other hand...
...car battery disposal and/or recycling can be done in a safe and clean way. Mining issues are confined to local areas - they don't create devastating global health and environmental problems like combustion emissions do. (And fossil fuels are mined for / fracked / pumped through leaky pipelines too)

Even if you burn fossil fuels in power stations to make the electricity it's still orders of magnitude more efficient than burning petrol in combustion engines.

Whichever angle you look at it from - cars run on batteries are more environmentally responsible than running cars on fossil fuels.

The *only* problem I have is recharge times.

Sorry, still not buying it. The environmental disaster that is Lithium mining is well documented - How “Green” is Lithium? and recent research from Sweden has suggested that the battery packs in a Tesla creates as much CO2 as running a petrol car for 8 years, so it's a bit more nuanced than you suggest.

Biggest problem I see is that electric cars are just so unbelievably dull

 

[DaGaffer]

Sorry, still not buying it. The environmental disaster that is Lithium mining is well documented - How “Green” is Lithium? and recent research from Sweden has suggested that the battery packs in a Tesla creates as much CO2 as running a petrol car for 8 years, so it's a bit more nuanced than you suggest.

Biggest problem I see is that electric cars are just so unbelievably dull

They don't have to be dull, and a million Tesla videos show that. Hybrids don't have to be dull either; I'd be more than happy if someone gave me an i8 or Panamera Turbo Hybrid, or an NSX.

 

[Job]

Memes in response to CNN threatening racist and Trump meme maker



View: https://mobile.twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/882502701564665856/video/1

 

[Tom]

If you can't do 450 miles without stopping,

Nobody should be driving 450 miles without stopping. Ever.

 

[Job]

Petrol has 100X the energy density of lithium batteries.
You only need 30% to make them on par because of waste heat in petrols.
Still 3OX to go and 50X charging speed.
They dont actually save any co2 unless you charge them off renewables.
Thise charging points are nothing more than toys considering the charge times.

 

[Moriath]

Nobody should be driving 450 miles without stopping. Ever.

My german friend did 14 hours only stopping for petrol and the toilet. From dusseldorf to bucharest.

 

[Scouse]

Nobody should be driving 450 miles without stopping. Ever.

Meh. At 60mph that's 7.5 hours - about the amount of time it takes me to get to Fort William - which I've done three times this year. Admittedly I did stop each time - for ten minutes to piss, stretch my legs and walk about and grab a coffee. But I didn't have to stop for an hour and a half, which would have made me very late into my evenings each time and much more tired on my journey, with a knock-on effect into my next day.

3.5 hours. Coffee and a piss and a few star jumps. Great. Maybe even top-up the tank in case you end up in a remote place where it's 50 miles to the nearest petrol station. Aren't hydrocarbon-fuelled cars great*.



*except they're not. But we're trying to fix it. But we need to fix it with something better.

 

[Job]

I did 23 hours in my 4x4 Sierra, drove all the way to Val Disere on a line of speed, only stopping to wait for Chunnel, got there and went straight out on the piss.

 

[Job]

Surfers noping big wave


View: https://i.imgur.com/rcCzhb6.gifv

 

[Job]

View: https://i.imgur.com/z66IAXq.gifv

 

[dysfunction]

My german friend did 14 hours only stopping for petrol and the toilet. From dusseldorf to bucharest.

I've done similar driving from Johannesburg to Cape Town.

 

[Scouse]

I think @Tom's point was clearly should, not could...

We've all done daft shit. But then I guess Tom had this coming by deliberately missing the point

 

[Raven]

Wankers that commute by car for any longer than 30 mins should stfu about environmental concerns relating to driving.

 

[Scouse]

Wankers that commute by car for any longer than 30 mins should stfu about environmental concerns relating to driving.

And you still call me obsessed?

Nice that you can work close to home. Jobs that require, you know, actual skills are often located further afield as they're more scarce.

 

[Raven]

I take it trains haven't made it to your imagination yet then?

Or maybe you have some sort of blood pact where you cant move house, or job? Didn't you have your pic of jobs in your 6 months on, 6 months off thing?

Or maybe its just another case of do as I say, not what I do? You're carbon footprint must be huge, how do you feel?

 

[Raven]

And for clarity there is nothing wrong with commuting as such, its the bit where you explicitly chose to do it then whine like broken fanbelt about the environment.

Sort yourself out then dictate to others.

 

[dysfunction]

Oh ffs. You two just can't help yourselves can you

 

[Scouse]

Oh ffs. You two just can't help yourselves can you

Not been engaging with him but he's been following me round the forum trying to start arguments. Like the above.

I could reply to defend myself from his prodding accusations (which were uncalled for) but I gave it one line and am ignoring him further, not engaging. Please to be noting that...

 

[old.user4556]

Interesting to see how they manage that. I really like the new Volvos, good looking, terrific interiors, but their current hybrid models are vastly more expensive than their diesel or petrol cars (there's like a €20K difference between the top diesel XC90 and the T8 hybrid). They're going to have to come up with some creative ways to fix that problem, and quick. I would also imagine a lot of their diesel customers are going to be a pissed off about residuals right now, although I suppose most owners are leasers these days.

The new XC60 and XC90 are stunning, I love them.

 

[Bodhi]

The new XC60 and XC90 are stunning, I love them.

Nice interiors, but by god they are ugly. Also not sure if I could cough up 80k for the T8 when it's only got a 2 litre turbo in it - especially when, in my experience, they aren't any better on fuel than the bigger capacities they replaced. In fact, a couple of manufacturers have now said downsizing is over, as in the real world, the small turbo petrols aren't any better on fuel.

 

[Access Denied]

I take it trains haven't made it to your imagination yet then?

I'll only reply to this one point because I actually laughed at it.

Say I worked in Brighton but I don't live there. The price of an annual ticket from where I live to Brighton is £3384.

Now In my car I can get to Brighton and back 5 days a week for ~£100 a month. That's £1200 if I don't take any time off. My insurance for this year was £420. Tax is £194 paying monthly. MOT say £40.

That adds up tp £1954, which is just over the half the cost of an annual train ticket. I haven't included things like parts because you can't usually predict needing those.

The fact is, for a great many people who commute, it's vastly cheaper and FAR more convinient to drive. If our public transport was reasonably priced and more reliable then it might be a different story.

 

[caLLous]

Man takes ridiculous route between Newcastle and London because it's cheaper than public transport

 

[Scouse]

The fact is, for a great many people who commute, it's vastly cheaper and FAR more convinient to drive. If our public transport was reasonably priced and more reliable then it might be a different story.

Yep. It's a minimum of 2.5 hours each way and vastly more expensive by public transport to go to work for me or 45 minutes by car. But that's where they want me.

I do 3 days a week from home now tho so that's good.

 

[Raven]

I'll only reply to this one point because I actually laughed at it.

Say I worked in Brighton but I don't live there. The price of an annual ticket from where I live to Brighton is £3384.

Now In my car I can get to Brighton and back 5 days a week for ~£100 a month. That's £1200 if I don't take any time off. My insurance for this year was £420. Tax is £194 paying monthly. MOT say £40.

That adds up tp £1954, which is just over the half the cost of an annual train ticket. I haven't included things like parts because you can't usually predict needing those.

The fact is, for a great many people who commute, it's vastly cheaper and FAR more convinient to drive. If our public transport was reasonably priced and more reliable then it might be a different story.

But I am not saying don't drive to work. I am saying don't drive to work then moan about people polluting the environment by driving long distances. If people were to lead their lives how they expect others to (and constantly harp on about) then they wouldn't look like such massive hypocritical arseholes.

Its people whining about things and not doing anything at all to get their own houses in order that are one of the problems.

 

[Raven]

That was quick...

 

[Raven]

Anyway, we are getting rid of 1 car, I only do about 20 miles a week now. Doesn't seem a lot of point.