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[Scouse]

To be fair @Raven - who gives a fuck really? Yes, on the face of it it's nonsensical - but if we believe in equality for all (which we're supposed to do) then a person's gender shouldn't really matter at all.

If we're all to be treated the same who gives a fuck how people identify?


It makes no difference with regards identity - we're slowly going down the road of biometric identification - so what your gender supposedly is doesn't have a bearing on that - it'll be iris scans / facial recognition and the like. Even your name is kind of pointless in that situation - it'll all be tied up to a single numerical identifier anyway.

Storm in a teacup if you ask me. Doesn't hurt anyone. If they removed my sex from my passport it wouldn't bother me.

 

[Scouse]

"The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters"

This seems as fair a reason as any:

My name is spelled without capital letters. People make many assumptions about why that is. Here is the story. I have always signed my name without capital letters. When I was taking a Master of Laws degree in 1990, I had letterhead designed and my name was in lower case. I liked it, so I continued it when I returned to private practice in 1992. What an uproar! Lawyers called me up to say that they had a vote in their firm about why I chose that spelling; a court rejected an Order because my name was not properly spelled; and the local queer newspaper refused for years to spell my name without capital letters.

I realized that I had a perfect illustration of how we react when someone moves even a tiny bit away from a norm of behaviour, even with respect to something that has no impact on anyone else. So I have kept that spelling, and I tell this story in unlearning oppression workshops.

Edit: Lol! - I see you've actually read what she said, realised that her statement "I had a perfect illustration of how we react when someone moves even a tiny bit away from a norm of behaviour" applied to you and then edited your original response of "tells you all you need to know" (or somesuch) so that it no longer applied to you!

 

[Job]

It does hurt the kid, just because you are comfortable being outside the box doesn't give you the right to force it on your kids.

 

[Job]

This seems as fair a reason as any:

im right behind her with that one, fucking hate capital letters....wtf are they for?
just makes live more complicated for no reason, there are actually 52 letters, and the amount of times i have written entire sentences in caps by mistake.

 

[Scouse]

It does hurt the kid, just because you are comfortable being outside the box doesn't give you the right to force it on your kids.

I think the point is it doesn't force anything on the kid. No label attached. Where's the harm in that?

There's a lot worse things that parents do to their kids - like get them pierced at the age of 5, brutalise them, hit them, bully them. I think this parent may be oversensitive. But better over- than under-...

Kid'll be fine.

 

[Job]

I'm reminded of the mother in 'All about the boy'

 

[old.user4556]

I think the point is it doesn't force anything on the kid. No label attached. Where's the harm in that?

There's a lot worse things that parents do to their kids - like get them pierced at the age of 5, brutalise them, hit them, bully them. I think this parent may be oversensitive. But better over- than under-...

Kid'll be fine.

.... mutilating their genitals (for instance). Yeah, I'm looking at jew.

 

[Scouse]

Good that real humans are more complex than film caricatures then eh @Job?

 

[Scouse]

.... mutilating their genitals (for instance). Yeah, I'm looking at jew.

And 80% of Americans - for no good reason at all.

Must be why all american porn is basically full of women with huge spit-ropes hanging from every part of their body. The poor yanks dry dry sandpaper-like cocks need all the lube that they can get.

 

[Raven]

This seems as fair a reason as any:




Edit: Lol! - I see you've actually read what she said, realised that her statement "I had a perfect illustration of how we react when someone moves even a tiny bit away from a norm of behaviour" applied to you and then edited your original response of "tells you all you need to know" (or somesuch) so that it no longer applied to you!

Nope. Its just nuts, throughout.

Saying something is nuts is not the same as saying it should or should not carry on though...otherwise I would have said "stop this filth" or some such.

 

[old.user4556]

And 80% of Americans - for no good reason at all.

Must be why all american porn is basically full of women with huge spit-ropes hanging from every part of their body. The poor yanks dry dry sandpaper-like cocks need all the lube that they can get.

Sandpaper-like cocks .

 

[Scouse]

Its just nuts

Maybe. But it's harmless.

 

[Raven]

Please to be pointing out where I said it wasn't?

Edit, before you go off on another 5 pages of ranting and howling at the moon, I clearly never said it was wrong or right, I offered no opinion at all, implied or otherwise.

 

[Scouse]

"tells you all you need to know" and calling it "nuts" - which isn't usually used to express your feeling that something is right, in fact quite the opposite - but whatever...

/howls at moon...

 

[Raven]

"tells you all you need to know"

What? Are you hearing voices, figuratively speaking, on the internet now?

And just to be clear, the term "nuts" does not imply anything at all about ones opinion on whether one likes or dislikes something, it can mean either, or neither, or both, it's "U".

Nuts definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

I'm terribly offended that you assumed it's meaning.

 

[DaGaffer]

Maybe. But it's harmless.

There is actually a practical cost to it though. I would assume the drafting of the legislation and the changes lawyers will have to make for inheritance or tax or whatever, has a cost, which ultimately everyone else pays for. Now that figure may be trivial or it may be enormous, I have no idea, but it does seem to me we could probably skip to the end and recognise...nothing. Your sexuality, gender identification, number of co-habitees, you name it, all made irrelevant. Nothing in the tax or inheritance or marriage system that's legally binding. You want to get "married"? That's fine, but its not a legal definition and any property sharing etc. is done by dedicated contract. I honestly don't see any other way; apart from anything else the LGBT.....etc are going to run out of fucking letters soon.

 

[Raven]

It's + this week.

It would be easier for everyone if we just used a wildcard though.

It could go on T-shirts and mugs easier too.

Edit, I imagine the meetings are much like the "what did the Roman's do for us" scene.

 

[Scouse]

There is actually a practical cost to it though. I would assume the drafting of the legislation and the changes lawyers will have to make for inheritance or tax or whatever, has a cost, which ultimately everyone else pays for. Now that figure may be trivial or it may be enormous, I have no idea, but it does seem to me we could probably skip to the end and recognise...nothing. Your sexuality, gender identification, number of co-habitees, you name it, all made irrelevant. Nothing in the tax or inheritance or marriage system that's legally binding. You want to get "married"? That's fine, but its not a legal definition and any property sharing etc. is done by dedicated contract. I honestly don't see any other way; apart from anything else the LGBT.....etc are going to run out of fucking letters soon.

Full equality that is blind of race, colour, sexual orientation and so-called 'family'? Inheritance through specified contract (which forces people to think) or in contractual absence, perhaps, DNA alone?

I like your future Gaff! Bring it on!

 

[Job]

Im all for it...how about we stop identifying people as clever and thick, equality for lazy people against high achievers.
These labels discriminate and can severely disadvantage people.
From now on i would like to be known as
, and demand zero intolerance against me simply because i choose not to conform by doing anything useful.
If you need me, i will be somewhere and i refuse to comply with your language of geographic imprisonment.

 

[Raven]

I think its about time people just went back to being people.

There is nothing wrong with not being unique.

 

[Job]

There have always been transgenders, eunochs, ladyboys, non genders..they have a rich history across thousands of years and world cultures.
Gender neutrality is very accepted in India, in fact they are often highly respected in cultures the world over.
The west is the preaching of the converted.
I think we have to realise though that you cant just keep going till it gets silly.

 

[Gwadien]

As Scouse said and I've said before, who the fuck cares?

Too many people being offended at people being offended.

 

[Raven]

I think people are so used to seeing people pretending to be offended over stupid, meaningless bullshit that they think everyone commenting on something is offended. Its like people are trying to find something to be offended about, or some sort of stupid cause, so that they can appear interesting on social media or whatever. These people need to understand that on the whole they are boring, they aren't unique and that really doesn't matter because so are 99% of other people.

The irony of the whole concept is that people think everyone is so easily offended, nothing ever gets discussed, nothing ever changes and the circle of nonsense just keeps on going.

Pointing out something is stupid is not the same as being offended by it. Getting uppity about people capitalising your name, you know, having the audacity to use the rules of English written language is fucking retarded, not offensive, just retarded and the person really needs to get a hobby, or something actually important to worry about.

 

[Scouse]

That would make Raven professionally offended @Gwadien.

Oh. The ironing.



Edit: Ah. Lady + doth + protesteth (yet keeps harping on about it)

 

[Raven]

Scouse in not understanding simple English shocker.

 

[Jupitus]

Will you 2 please just get a fucking room!!! This constant shite is boring the fuck out of me

 

[Scouse]

Will you 2 please just get a fucking room!!! This constant shite is boring the fuck out of me

And me to be fair. I'll play nicer from now on.

 

[Bodhi]

Maybe. But it's harmless.

Sorry but I can't agree with this - the reality is, a kid growing up Up North with no gender is going to have its life made a misery by the other kids over something he can do nothing about, and all because the parent wanted to prove some sort of point.

That and the small letter thing just make her look like a bit of a tool tbh.

 

[Access Denied]

Sorry but I can't agree with this - the reality is, a kid growing up Up North with no gender is going to have its life made a misery by the other kids over something he can do nothing about, and all because the parent wanted to prove some sort of point.

That and the small letter thing just make her look like a bit of a tool tbh.

I have to agree. It's a stunt that will ultimately lead to hardship for the child. Refer to a child as he/she as per their sex at birth and as they get older, be supportive of them making up their own minds about everything. Doing anything else is just irresponsible parenting.

 

[Scouse]

That and the small letter thing just make her look like a bit of a tool tbh.

Made yourself look like a bit of a tool by rushing to judgement - the small letter thing was not the mother but her lawyer, who decided to keep that for good reasons.

I think a kid up north* who's raised with a passport without a gender letter isn't going to find any difficulties because 1) it's not the 1970s any more and 2) you don't have to show your passport to attend school.



*but probably in Stoke they would. But if you're growing up in Stoke you're already in a shitstorm of trouble