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[TdC]

I usually detest lists, but this one is right

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...life_n_4747260.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

 

[DaGaffer]

Finished watching ten minutes ago. Had a funny thought about the structure of the show:

1. Plebs can aspire to the Alpha, even though it's a bit tacky and plastic because of new EU laws.
2. "Look at our military hardware! Even better at fighting plebs after years of murderous fail!"
3. Rich people can have the P1, and it's even better than anything else ever, because of hte same EU laws.

• (But the plebs can't, or we'll roll out the hardware)

Capitalism in a TV show.

1. Its not tacky and plastic because of the EU (that's a load of bollocks frankly), its like that because the carbon fibre tub costs so much it was the only way to keep the retail cost below 50 grand. Same for the spider eyes headlamps; using them instead of a single headlamp unit saved Alfa $4M on its own.
2. My only thought about that was what the hell are they going to do with it all? Its kind of specialist, and fortunately no-one seems to have an appetite for middle-eastern-adventures-without-an-end-objective anymore.
3. The P1 has very little to do with EU laws either. Most of its customers will be from the US, UAE and China. All EU laws are doing is making it increasingly unattractive to build cars for or in the domestic European market at all.

So, maybe globalisation in a TV show.

 

[Olgaline]

I usually detest lists, but this one is right

even though it's a bit of a cliché, yes?

 

[DaGaffer]

I usually detest lists, but this one is right

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...life_n_4747260.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

I could literally eat myself into an early grave in Italy.

 

[Scouse]

I never said it was a fully formed thought - but:

1. Its not tacky and plastic because of the EU (that's a load of bollocks frankly), its like that because the carbon fibre tub costs so much it was the only way to keep the retail cost below 50 grand. Same for the spider eyes headlamps; using them instead of a single headlamp unit saved Alfa $4M on its own.

It's design looks to have been influenced by EU laws on fuel efficiency - to 40mpg whilst still having a fucking fast car - have to make it light as possible 'cause of the piss small engine. Proper fittings and all that go out of the window because of cost.

2. My only thought about that was what the hell are they going to do with it all? Its kind of specialist, and fortunately no-one seems to have an appetite for middle-eastern-adventures-without-an-end-objective anymore.

My thought was really *yawn* what a fucking waste of money and life on a(nother) failed, unwanted and unjustified war.

3. The P1 has very little to do with EU laws either. Most of its customers will be from the US, UAE and China. All EU laws are doing is making it increasingly unattractive to build cars for or in the domestic European market at all.

It's development with the batteries making it even faster - coming about because of research into energy efficiency again. But no compromises.

Doesn't matter where the rich are from. Globalisation was going to happen one way or another - and I don't really have a problem with that.

 

[Olgaline]

I could literally eat myself into an early grave in Italy.

Fancy a juicy Giraff steak? or is that too tall an order ..badum tish!

 

[Scouse]

I usually detest lists, but this one is right

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...life_n_4747260.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Especially no7.

 

[dysfunction]

I usually detest lists, but this one is right

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...life_n_4747260.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

My wife makes arancini...its delicious

 

[TdC]

even though it's a bit of a cliché, yes?

even though, despite and even because

 

[DaGaffer]

I never said it was a fully formed thought - but:

It's design looks to have been influenced by EU laws on fuel efficiency - to 40mpg whilst still having a fucking fast car - have to make it light as possible 'cause of the piss small engine. Proper fittings and all that go out of the window because of cost.

I wasn't just pulling that comment out of my arse; Sergio Marchionne, the boss of FIAT, actually talked about the logic behind the 4C at a press conference. The lightness mainly comes from the carbon fibre tub and the 4C is by far the cheapest car on the road using that technology (seriously, there's nothing for even twice the price), so compromises had to be made elsewhere (and the engine is small, but 237bhp is still decent enough). The latest round of EU fuel efficiency laws (Euro 6) will require weight saving to hit targets (a lot of the "low hanging fruit" efficiency measures are now standard, like stop-start and lean burn engines etc.) but not to 4C levels and not necessarily by being so plasticky; ironically, Citroen, traditionally purveyors of egg-box dashboards to the world, are showing the way in this regard with the new Cactus, which is super-light but disguises it:

 

[Olgaline]

even though, despite and even because

would this include the likes of Casu Marzu? (don't youtube that, if you have a week stomach)

 

[Scouse]

I was sort of with you until you posted that. It's fucking U.G.L.Y.

And still - EU laws on fuel efficiency was my point. They have influence. That's all I said. And Alpha has done something interesting.

 

[Olgaline]

like stop-start

useless until they come up with ones with smoother transitions.

 

[Lamp]

Its hard not to disagree with anything on that Italian food list.

Italy: the most beautiful language; unbelievable art, sculptures, architecture, music, landscapes, coastlines, cars, women, climate, fruit and veg; and police officers who stand around smoking and staring at women all day.

Superb.

 

[DaGaffer]

useless until they come up with ones with smoother transitions.

Its horrible, but its there for one reason only, to give a low CO2 (and hence tax) figure. The only car I've driven with stop-start that worked was a new E-class Merc I rented recently; it was so good I didn't actually realise it had it.

 

[TdC]

would this include the likes of Casu Marzu? (don't youtube that, if you have a week stomach)

I know about that. Frankly I'm not big on it, but tbh...visiting a cheese maker is enough to near put me off let alone what gets done to a perfectly decent pecorino to make Casu.

I'd probably be willing to try Icelandic rotted shark and skate, but I would never try that cheese.

 

[Olgaline]

I know about that. Frankly I'm not big on it, but tbh...visiting a cheese maker is enough to near put me off let alone what gets done to a perfectly decent pecorino to make Casu.

I'd probably be willing to try Icelandic rotted shark and skate, but I would never try that cheese.

It's been described to me as soap+blue stilton (I'd still try it)
As for rotten fermented shark...I'm not entirely sure about that one (maybe if I had a good cold that day)

 

[Olgaline]

Its horrible, but its there for one reason only, to give a low CO2 (and hence tax) figure. The only car I've driven with stop-start that worked was a new E-class Merc I rented recently; it was so good I didn't actually realise it had it.

Mine is permenenty switched off! Unless I want to impress some cave man from 1993. Never mind the petrol ones, it's even worse with diesel

 

[TdC]

heh I love cheese, @Olgaline I've happily eaten some heavy duty blues and very old whites, not to mention the traditional crumbly over-aged Dutch cheeses (they go translucent dark brown, think tobacco juice lol), but I dislike insects to the extreme. I'll be the last person in the world to accept them as a protine source, and I actively check store bought foods for protine source tags that give the game away.

 

[DaGaffer]

Its hard not to disagree with anything on that Italian food list.

Italy: the most beautiful language; unbelievable art, sculptures, architecture, music, landscapes, coastlines, cars, women, climate, fruit and veg; and police officers who stand around smoking and staring at women all day.

Superb.

And bunga-bunga scandals, insane judges, fascist football fans, financial meltdown, widespread corruption, casual racism. I love Italy, but it ain't perfect.

 

[Olgaline]

heh I love cheese, @Olgaline I've happily eaten some heavy duty blues and very old whites, not to mention the traditional crumbly over-aged Dutch cheeses (they go translucent dark brown, think tobacco juice lol), but I dislike insects to the extreme. I'll be the last person in the world to accept them as a protine source, and I actively check store bought foods for protine source tags that give the game away.

E120

 

[Lamp]

Yep true, but on a piss-miserable cold wet Tuesday evening in suburban London, images of 80 degrees sunshine on an Italian beach sipping a cold beer under an umbrella watching all female topless volleyball wins

 

[TdC]

E120

yup, that's a colour aye? in the NL they also label protine sources (sometimes). while insect protine is usually completely undetectable (unless you're deliberately eating salt 'n vinager grasshoppers or something), it's not and will never be my preferred choice.

 

[Olgaline]

yup, that's a colour aye? in the NL they also label protine sources (sometimes). while insect protine is usually completely undetectable (unless you're deliberately eating salt 'n vinager grasshoppers or something), it's not and will never be my preferred choice.

Carmine, also called Crimson Lake, Cochineal, Natural Red or E120, is a pigment of a bright-red color obtained from the aluminium salt of carminic acid, which is produced by some scale insects, such as the cochineal scale and the Polish cochineal, and is used as a general term for a particularly deep-red color of the same name. Carmine is used in the manufacture of artificial flowers, paints, crimson ink, rouge, and other cosmetics, and is routinely added to food products such as yogurt and certain brands of juice, the most notable ones being those of the ruby-red variety.


YUM

 

[Lamp]

This Italian undercover policewoman is hard at work.

Nope, no corruption there.

 

[Jupitus]

Isn't it 'Alfa', not 'Alpha'. anyway?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Italy: the most beautiful language;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IyN-luixiU

 

[dysfunction]

The Mclaren P1

The best hybrid car in the world!

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/Exclusive-Clarkson-drives-the-McLaren-P1-2013-12-09

 

[Nate]

The dominos app just told me my order was ready..I didn't place an order

 

[Edmond]

The dominos app just told me my order was ready..I didn't place an order

Free pizza, yay