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[Scouse]

What if a taxi firm decided to run all their vehicles without any disabled access Scouse, what would you argument be there?

Put the fuckers out of business.

You want to run a taxi firm, you take the disabled on the terms we've decided. If you don't like it there's plenty other taxi firms out there who are doing just that - and it means more business for them.

 

[Gwadien]

Put the fuckers out of business.

You want to run a taxi firm, you take the disabled on the terms we've decided. If you don't like it there's plenty other taxi firms out there who are doing just that - and it means more business for them.

But individuals own the cars, you can't 'force' someone into buying a car that's disabled friendly, shirley?

 

[Raven]

It probably isn't though. For example if they decided to only run mercs.

What about theme park rides...should they all be made to cater for disabled people? What about bicycle hire shops, should they have special bikes for the disabled? Paid for by the bike shops? Silverstone racedays, special sportscars, paid for by Silverstone?? ...the list is endless.


Besides, I don't even know why they want minibus anyway, surely a minibus being higher it is more awkward to get into anyway?

 

[Gwadien]

It probably isn't though. For example if they decided to only run mercs.

What about theme park rides...should they all be made to cater for disabled people? What about bicycle hire shops, should they have special bikes for the disabled? Paid for by the bike shops? Silverstone racedays, special sportscars, paid for by Silverstone?? ...the list is endless.


Besides, I don't even know why they want minibus anyway, surely a minibus being higher it is more awkward to get into anyway?

Cos Minibuses usually come with a back entrance with a elevator for wheel chairs, I'd imagine.

 

[Aoami]

"Unless exempt on medical or physical grounds, the DDA requires taxi drivers to assist disabled people in accessing the vehicle and help them with any luggage that they carry. Specifically in regard to wheelchairs, able taxi drivers and their vehicles must be prepared to carry the passenger whilst they remain in their wheelchair and not add any additional charges for the service. If they choose to sit in the seat and not the wheelchair, the driver must carry the wheelchair and offer assistance where needed.

New taxis must be modified to contain the facilities of access ramps, handrail supports and swivel seats to allow easy mobility for as many passengers as possible. The location and size of each will be laid out in the new rules.

The new taxi regulations will only cover England and Wales, although Scotland and Northern Ireland are instigating their own policies regarding the UK-wide standards.

Private Hire Vehicles
The modification requirements for hackney carriage taxis as laid down the Disability Discrimination Act will not apply to private hire vehicles. However, such minicabs may fall under jurisdiction if they provide a contract hire service to a railway station or airport for example.

Like the Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee (DPTAC), many argue that minicabs should be made equally accessible to disabled, or least try to offer assistance and provisions to make the existing vehicle more comfortable, and the driver more prepared. It is reported that while disabled persons travel a third less than those who are able-bodied, disabled people use private hire vehicles around 67% more often. It makes sense therefore for minicab drivers to be provided with some training and advice to ensure smooth passage for some of their most frequent customers.

The Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee (DPTAC) provides research and advice to the Government to try and better meet the aims of the Disability Discrimination Act. While it has no regulatory or lobbying powers, it has provided some guidelines as to how taxi and minicab drivers might meet the DDA requirements and be more accessible to their regular disabled passengers.

Primarily, DPTAC advises that drivers should avoid making assumptions or generalisations in regard to disabled passengers, as disability is much more than just being in a wheelchair. Many disabled people do not use a wheelchair and their disabilities are not always visible. DPTAC suggests that minicab drivers receive training and information regarding various disabilities and the best way to offer assistance. If they have more information it is argued that drivers will be more willing to help and the whole journey from booking to arrival will go more smoothly for both parties. It is thought that some hackney carriages refuse to stop because they are unsure how to help, and hopefully relevant training for black cabs minicabs alike will give confidence to both cabbie and passenger."

Important to note the difference between the rules for Hackney Cabs & Private Hire. It seems unfair to me that Private Hire cars don't have to be disabled person equppied, because a disabled person probably isn't able to get to an area where Hackney Cabs are, or Hackney Cabs may not operate in that area.

 

[MYstIC G]

But look at it this way. When he bought his 8-seater minibus he knew that he'd have an obligation to take disabled people, but figured it was still worth the extra profit on the big journeys - and bought it anyway.

How exactly is he obligated?

It's really simple - you cannot operate a business and actively discriminate against disabled people. It's illegal.

This. That said you can refuse to do business with anyone you like and not provide them with any reason whatsoever.

 

[MYstIC G]

Important to note the difference between the rules for Hackney Cabs & Private Hire. It seems unfair to me that Private Hire cars don't have to be disabled person equppied, because a disabled person probably isn't able to get to an area where Hackney Cabs are, or Hackney Cabs may not operate in that area.

I have to admit on this, I've always been confused. I've always thought a better solution would be to offer an incentive to drivers to take disabled passengers to provide them with a more comfortable journey than on public transport.

 

[Tom]

How exactly is he obligated?
This. That said you can refuse to do business with anyone you like and not provide them with any reason whatsoever.

But if you're dragged into court to explain why you weren't providing disabled people with the same service as able people, you're going to be in a world of shit.

 

[Gwadien]

But if you're dragged into court to explain why you weren't providing disabled people with the same service as able people, you're going to be in a world of shit.

'We do cater for disabled people, but as they hire a minibus that carries 12 people, they have to pay for the price of using that minibus, otherwise my minibus drivers get annoyed, and refuse to drive the minibus m'lord'

 

[DaGaffer]

Cos Minibuses usually come with a back entrance with a elevator for wheel chairs, I'd imagine.

Only adapted ones. The standard Vaneo or MPV Galaxy MPV that a typical minicab driver users is no more disabled-adapted than a regular saloon, it just has more space to chuck a wheelchair and (sometimes) sliding doors which help access.

Important to note the difference between the rules for Hackney Cabs & Private Hire. It seems unfair to me that Private Hire cars don't have to be disabled person equppied, because a disabled person probably isn't able to get to an area where Hackney Cabs are, or Hackney Cabs may not operate in that area.

Its not really unfair. Hackneys charge more, can pick up off the street (minicabs can't) so they are also saddled with obligations on the type of car that can be used (London also has whacky rules about turning circles and the ability to carry bales of hay), so because the type of car is mandated, making them disabled-friendly is straightforward. Most minicabs aren't bought as minicabs; they're pressed into service as cabs when the driver ends up out of a real job. If a minicab driver decides to invest in a disabled-friendly vehicle, he's making a concious decision to cater for that market, but I very much doubt those guys sticking a taxi sign on their 100,000 mile Previa expected that they'd have to charge less and do more for a single disabled person than a half a dozen drunks on a night out. On the other hand, probably less vomit.

But if you're dragged into court to explain why you weren't providing disabled people with the same service as able people, you're going to be in a world of shit.

There's the rub; its not the same service, its a larger vehicle for less money than is normally charged for that vehicle.

 

[MYstIC G]

But if you're dragged into court to explain why you weren't providing disabled people with the same service as able people, you're going to be in a world of shit.

You'd have to be a fucking retard to give that as a reason though and frankly, if someone were that stupid, then learning the hard way is their reward.

 

[Scouse]

How exactly is he obligated?

By law they have to charge normal taxi rates because of the amount disabled people have to use them.

That said you can refuse to do business with anyone you like and not provide them with any reason whatsoever.

Don't think that's correct m8.

 

[Raven]

But they are charging them normal rates?

 

[Scouse]

But they are charging them normal rates?

Are we going round in circles because people cba reading now? Unless I'm missing something

Yes. Disabled people get charged the rate for a 4-seater taxi, regardless.

 

[Tom]

You'd have to be a fucking retard to give that as a reason though and frankly, if someone were that stupid, then learning the hard way is their reward.

You wouldn't have to give a reason, it would be a very simple matter for someone working for the council to make a few bookings and discover that a company was actively discriminating against disabled people.

I have zero sympathy for the taxi firm. Fuck them.

 

[Tom]

'We do cater for disabled people, but as they hire a minibus that carries 12 people, they have to pay for the price of using that minibus, otherwise my minibus drivers get annoyed, and refuse to drive the minibus m'lord'

So your defence would be to admit guilt. Yeah, I can see that you have a good career in law ahead of you.

 

[Scouse]

But individuals own the cars, you can't 'force' someone into buying a car that's disabled friendly, shirley?

Nope. You can't. They choose to, because they know they'll get a steady income from disabled people and the odd nice and lucrative airport trip.

Which is why this guy's a cunt. He wants to do airport trips but refuses to pick up the disabled.

'We do cater for disabled people, but as they hire a minibus that carries 12 people, they have to pay for the price of using that minibus, otherwise my minibus drivers get annoyed, and refuse to drive the minibus m'lord'

"Then you, sir cunt, have broken the law on disabled people that you knew when you bought your 8-seater.

If you want to treat disabled people like second-class citizens then move to Afghanistan. We in the west, whilst being just as scummy, are obligated by law to help our fellow man."

Thank fuck law isn't made by selfish plebs on the internet eh?

There's the rub; its not the same service, its a larger vehicle for less money than is normally charged for that vehicle.

I don't see why my taxes go on disabled access ramps. Why can't the fuckers use the stairs like everyone else eh?

Oh? It's because we've decided that mobility is important and that the disabled are disproportionately affected compared to the rest of the population, and we've passed a small number of laws to help with their hugely affected daily life? And some involve saving them a small amount of cash as they often can't take advantage of more economic forms of travel - and without this these people would effectively be outcast more than they already clearly are?

Ah... OK then.


Seriously Gaff. It's a little extra petrol. That's it. And they know it up front...

 

[soze]

The thing I wonder is you have matey boy with his 8 seater. 2 jobs come in 1 airport trip with 6 people and later 1 town trip with a disabled person. The dispatcher now has to decide if they scrub the airport trip in favour of the disabled person or risk being called up for discrimination. Then if the driver of the cab knows he just lost the airport run I would think he would still want paying for it.

The answer would seem to be to roll out black cabs across the country. Make every cab disabled friendly and it is not an issue.

 

[Zarjazz]

Problem solved.

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[caLLous]

 

[DaGaffer]

The thing I wonder is you have matey boy with his 8 seater. 2 jobs come in 1 airport trip with 6 people and later 1 town trip with a disabled person. The dispatcher now has to decide if they scrub the airport trip in favour of the disabled person or risk being called up for discrimination. Then if the driver of the cab knows he just lost the airport run I would think he would still want paying for it.

The answer would seem to be to roll out black cabs across the country. Make every cab disabled friendly and it is not an issue.

What probably really happens is they use caller ID to determine who the customer is (won't catch a first time customer obviously); then just say "nothing available for two hours". You'd have a hard time proving otherwise.

 

[DaGaffer]

Nope. You can't. They choose to, because they know they'll get a steady income from disabled people and the odd nice and lucrative airport trip.

You keep saying that, but its not necessarily true. Having an 8-seater or an MPV doesn't automatically mean ramps and clamps.

I don't see why my taxes go on disabled access ramps. Why can't the fuckers use the stairs like everyone else eh?

But this isn't your taxes we're talking about is it? So that's just a meaningless bit of trolling.

Seriously Gaff. It's a little extra petrol. That's it. And they know it up front...

Easy for you to say when its not your petrol.

 

[MYstIC G]

Don't think that's correct m8.

It is, you cannot force anyone to do business with you. That link is frankly a pathetic jibe at best as it shows that the stupid (hotel owners) get what's coming for them. Try the judgement, page 6 onwards: http://www.supremecourt.gov.uk/decided-cases/docs/UKSC_2012_0065_Judgment.pdf

 

[Scouse]

But this isn't your taxes we're talking about is it? So that's just a meaningless bit of trolling

It was meant as "why do any of us pay more for the disabled"?

Easy for you to say when its not your petrol.

Yep. It is. But they still make a profit.

It is, you cannot force anyone to do business with you.

True, yes. But you can't turn 'em down because they're gay or disabled...


Honestly - last word from me on this: This is a non-issue. It's a single cab company. And it's a system that's working fine for the rest.

I think we'd all agree that disabled people deserve additional help. Unless I'm mahoosively out on that basic fact? And this single mobility issue is desparately important to them. If it isn't administered in the (until now) trouble-free way it has been - then it needs to be administered some other way.

I think it's a good solution. As do all these guys. (Just pick any off the drop-down list)...

 

[MYstIC G]

True, yes. But you can't turn 'em down because they're gay or disabled...

You cannot legally state that is your reason, however if you give no reason your actual motivation could be anything, including just those points. Which is what I'm getting at.

 

[caLLous]

14 Movies In 2014 That Aren’t Sequels, Prequels, Reboots, Or Adaptations

 

[Billargh]

What's the odds on those being the only 14, all year?

 

[caLLous]

It doesn't once claim that they will be the only 14...

 

[Scouse]

Well, they can't have taxis, but they can have these:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS01kn6YJ94

 

[MYstIC G]

14 Movies In 2014 That Aren’t Sequels, Prequels, Reboots, Or Adaptations

Except 13 is Stargate?