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It's not really a terror weapon with that payload but perfect for assassinations.

Not yet, but it doesn't take much imagination to see how it could be; drone swarms and chemical weapons. We've not really begun to see how UAVs come come back to bite us on the arse yet.
 

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Not yet, but it doesn't take much imagination to see how it could be; drone swarms and chemical weapons. We've not really begun to see how UAVs come come back to bite us on the arse yet.

I imagine the civilian drones will get bigger and with heavier payloads - perfect for things like crop dusting or amazon deliveries - of course as size increases the drone itself becomes a fairly destructive weapon...
 

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Here's my home built one with gopro & 2-axis camera stabilisation gimbal.
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Beautiful. You are a true nerd. In a good way obviously.

I spent literally 8 hours googling them last night. I want to build one that has long range first person view. Do you reckon it could be done over 3/4g mobile internet or would the signal be too unreliable?
 

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It's not really a terror weapon with that payload but perfect for assassinations.
Please, apply some imagination. Aerial dispersion of anthrax or some other extremely potent substance would be easy. I could drop radioactive isotopes on crowds of people, enough might be inhaled/soaked into skin for problems. Even dropping 1.5kg of decent explosive with an altitude fuse would cause quite a bit of mess. And in fact, even if all I did was drop flour, if I dropped it onto, say, a football crowd they'd stampede due to panic and create the casualties for me. The thing about terrorists is that they all appear to be fucking stupid. I'm glad people like me would never dream of doing such things, else we'd all be completely and utterly fucked.

How much moolah are you looking at for a setup like that Chilly? And do you have remote control of the gimbal as well?
Well...it's hard to say really. The oldest component on that quad is probably the battery which is 3 years old. Summing all the money spent would probably get to about 3-4k, but I've destroyed a few and upgraded virtually every component multiple times. To build that particular quad from scratch would cost about a grand (not including the camera).

The gimbal can be controlled remotely, but I don't. I just set it to keep itself level. It's amazingly smooth.
 

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You're better off buying a pre-built or kit form quad than just cobbling them together like I do, btw. Less costly in the long run as you dont get addicted to the upgrades. I actually secretly enjoy it when I break a component because it means I have an excuse to buy a new, better version.
 

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How good are the pictures from that drone chilly? I have thought about these for archaeology - perfect for high res aerial pic's to show up crop marks during droughts.
 

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Not yet, but it doesn't take much imagination to see how it could be; drone swarms and chemical weapons. We've not really begun to see how UAVs come come back to bite us on the arse yet.

I've seen terminator thank you very much.
 

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I've seen terminator thank you very much.

Terminator isn't really imaginative at all; big fuck off UAVs that are basically military aircraft. Think instead of tiny drones but lots and lots of them. The day isn't that far away when drones the size of hummingbirds or even smaller will be used for reconnaissance and nastier things. Be interesting to see what the counter-measures will be.
 

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The military already use wrist controlled humming bird type set ups (can't remember its name) for recon. Basically souped up remote control toy helicopters. The US also use semi-autoninous UAVs.

Laws won't do anything to stop their use, maybe laser based defences might work...or electronic jamming mechanisms.
 

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Please, apply some imagination. Aerial dispersion of anthrax or some other extremely potent substance would be easy. I could drop radioactive isotopes on crowds of people, enough might be inhaled/soaked into skin for problems. Even dropping 1.5kg of decent explosive with an altitude fuse would cause quite a bit of mess. And in fact, even if all I did was drop flour, if I dropped it onto, say, a football crowd they'd stampede due to panic and create the casualties for me. The thing about terrorists is that they all appear to be fucking stupid. I'm glad people like me would never dream of doing such things, else we'd all be completely and utterly fucked.

Or put some strawberry juice in one, spray it over a city/crowd and let out a rumor that it's HIV blood mist.

Let the people destroy themselves in panic.

*Disclaimer; i am not, nor ever will be, even thinking of planning something like this.
 

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First the FBI came a knocking, /me goes to see if a black van has pulled up outside somewhere in my street.....
 

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How good are the pictures from that drone chilly? I have thought about these for archaeology - perfect for high res aerial pic's to show up crop marks during droughts.
That's the last thing I shot
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcEjkWLaHzg


Two caveats: not my camera (used a gopro 3 instead of my gopro 2) and it's not entirely the same quadcopter as I destroyed it at the end of that trip :D

Oh and that quad didnt have the camera gimbal on the new one, either, so it's completely unstabilised footage.
 

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That's the last thing I shot


Two caveats: not my camera (used a gopro 3 instead of my gopro 2) and it's not entirely the same quadcopter as I destroyed it at the end of that trip :D

Oh and that quad didnt have the camera gimbal on the new one, either, so it's completely unstabilised footage.


Awesome! What's the max height these things can do - is it a CAA limitation or tech?
 

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Awesome! What's the max height these things can do - is it a CAA limitation or tech?
Depends where you are. Where I am in London (where I almost never fly except for quick tests) I'm limited to 400m due to being under the Heathrow approach airspace zone, even though it's ten miles away.
If you're out in the sticks the limit rises, but I'm not sure to what. It's a legal limit, effectively. The tech will allow you to get to at least 1km before air density becomes a problem.
 

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Chilly said:
Depends where you are. Where I am in London (where I almost never fly except for quick tests) I'm limited to 400m

That should be fine - how difficult are they to fly? The big old RC helicopter's used to be damn tricky.
 

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Please, apply some imagination....The thing about terrorists is that they all appear to be fucking stupid...

Or non-existent.

The basic ideas you brought up are not rocket science eh, Chilly? Terrorism is *easy* :(



Anyway. Get used to the drones - the police are going to be using them to spy on all of us as a matter of course pretty soon. That's reflected in the fact that a shitload of United States police authorities have already applied for licences to run drone fleets.

Drones with hi-rez facial recognition cameras + total internet surveillance = government has 1984-style authoritarian monitoring for our "safety" sewn up.

Tony Blair long ago mooted putting cameras into peoples houses so social services could intervene if they didn't like the look of the parenting going on...
 

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That should be fine - how difficult are they to fly? The big old RC helicopter's used to be damn tricky.
Considerably easier than old school RC gear. That quad in the photo can fly itself, keeping within a flight corridor a couple of metres across over distances of several miles. The paradigm to fly them is that the default state is hover with some amount of drift. You then instruct is to tip in a given direction and it will drop slightly and move in that direction. Increasing throttle increases climb rate or horizontal speed. You can turn the auto stuff off and fly in acrobatic mode where you control the rate of rotation about each axis, which lets you do amazing tricks but is more like flying an old heli in terms of difficulty.
 

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Or non-existent.

The basic ideas you brought up are not rocket science eh, Chilly? Terrorism is *easy* :(



Anyway. Get used to the drones - the police are going to be using them to spy on all of us as a matter of course pretty soon. That's reflected in the fact that a shitload of United States police authorities have already applied for licences to run drone fleets.

Drones with hi-rez facial recognition cameras + total internet surveillance = government has 1984-style authoritarian monitoring for our "safety" sewn up.

Tony Blair long ago mooted putting cameras into peoples houses so social services could intervene if they didn't like the look of the parenting going on...
At least they won't destroy pubs when they crash to the ground.
 

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At least they won't destroy pubs when they crash to the ground.

Yup. Hopefully they won't hover the fucking things outside my bedroom window at 3am at the cost of £20,000/hour just to catch a few kids who've robbed a car.
 

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Nah I wasnt offended or anything, it's just thats the closest button to "hah, you dirty bastard".
 

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