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[Scouse]

Reads Live A Five ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A Star Ratings Quiz

Can you guess how many stars an album was awarded based on the review? We'll show you Amazon reviews between one and five stars. Can you match them all to their star rating?

www.monkeon.co.uk

 

[Embattle]

Telegram: 'The dark web in your pocket'

The arrest of Telegram’s chief executive in France has ignited a debate about moderation on his app.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

Telegram: 'The dark web in your pocket'

The arrest of Telegram’s chief executive in France has ignited a debate about moderation on his app.

www.bbc.co.uk

WooooOOOoooOoo! Bad things happen online!!!11!11!oneeleven!!1!1!

What we absolutely should do is have control over everything online. Because if we had control over everything online, then no bad things would happen. M'kay?

 

[BloodOmen]

Am I the only one that thinks Oasis is overrated shite? they had a few good hits, compared themselves to The Beetles, then got humbled by an actual Beetle saying "lol no" basically.

 

[Tom]

I'm sick of hearing about it tbh. "Oh no I'm forced to pay stupid amounts for tickets".

No you're not.

 

[MYstIC G]

I'm sick of hearing about it tbh. "Oh no I'm forced to pay stupid amounts for tickets".

No you're not.

For artists only on a cash grab as well, it's bullshit all around

 

[DaGaffer]

For artists only on a cash grab as well, it's bullshit all around

Their revenue from music sales has gone, so live music is their key revenue stream, exactly what everyone who pirated an MP3 ever said was the answer. Can't whine if prices are high for a scarce resource.

 

[Raven]

Their revenue from music sales has gone, so live music is their key revenue stream, exactly what everyone who pirated an MP3 ever said was the answer. Can't whine if prices are high for a scarce resource.

Then they should have set the price accordingly, instead they set a price, that was almost instantly increased, so people who had queued for hours, desperate for a ticket, found it was 3, 4, 5 times as much as they initially thought it would be at the eventual checkout. The entire thing was manufactured.

They will probably have a massive row during the first show, and cancel the rest anyway. They're also shit live.

 

[Ormorof]

Then they should have set the price accordingly, instead they set a price, that was almost instantly increased, so people who had queued for hours, desperate for a ticket, found it was 3, 4, 5 times as much as they initially thought it would be at the eventual checkout. The entire thing was manufactured.

They will probably have a massive row during the first show, and cancel the rest anyway. They're also shit live.

If enough people are willing to pay for it the price is not too high

Shit for those who would like to go but life is full of choices when you have limited disposable income

 

[Overdriven]

Then they should have set the price accordingly, instead they set a price, that was almost instantly increased, so people who had queued for hours, desperate for a ticket, found it was 3, 4, 5 times as much as they initially thought it would be at the eventual checkout. The entire thing was manufactured.

They will probably have a massive row during the first show, and cancel the rest anyway. They're also shit live.

Ticketmaster ask the artists about dynamic pricing when they sort the contract out for reprisentation, the price increase was OK'd by the Gallagher brothers. Blame their greed. (Also Ticketmaster are scummy, but they're only doing what was asked),

Not sticking up for TM in the slightest here, but they're only partially at blame. Blame the poor middle aged irrelevant artists who need more money.

 

[DaGaffer]

Then they should have set the price accordingly, instead they set a price, that was almost instantly increased, so people who had queued for hours, desperate for a ticket, found it was 3, 4, 5 times as much as they initially thought it would be at the eventual checkout. The entire thing was manufactured.

They will probably have a massive row during the first show, and cancel the rest anyway. They're also shit live.

Dynamic pricing innit? Just like your Uber, you pay for scarcity. Sorry, this is the world we've built, end stage capitalism where supply and demand can be algorithmically calculated on the fly.

 

[Raven]

Dynamic pricing innit? Just like your Uber, you pay for scarcity. Sorry, this is the world we've built, end stage capitalism where supply and demand can be algorithmically calculated on the fly.

Yes, if using Uber, you wait a couple of minutes and the cost is roughly what you would expect to pay. You aren't in a manufactured queue for 4 hours, where you finally get told it will be £100 for the 5 mile trip.

 

[Raven]

Ticketmaster ask the artists about dynamic pricing when they sort the contract out for reprisentation, the price increase was OK'd by the Gallagher brothers. Blame their greed. (Also Ticketmaster are scummy, but they're only doing what was asked),

Not sticking up for TM in the slightest here, but they're only partially at blame. Blame the poor middle aged irrelevant artists who need more money.

Yes, I know that, but either Ticketmaster are running a 1990s back end, where people need to queue for 5 hours, or the entire thing is designed for maximum return. Which is fine, but ought to be A LOT clearer when entering their entirely manufactured-for-maximum-profit queue.

...and yes, I know that ultimately it is the band that decided to go with this system.

 

[Ormorof]

If you don't like the price don't pay it, that's essentially the limit of power you have as a consumer. If this discussion was about something actually essential like water, or Internet access on the other hand...

 

[Raven]

If you don't like the price don't pay it, that's essentially the limit of power you have as a consumer. If this discussion was about something actually essential like water, or Internet access on the other hand...

That's the point. Join a queue where the ticket is £150, wait 4 hours, find it's actually £500. Lots of people probably felt they had to after all that, whether they could afford it or not.

 

[Ormorof]

I mean 🤷‍♂️ no one forces them to pay, the fact that ticket master has shitty practices shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that has ever had to have any interaction with them

After the 4 hour queue it's 500 per ticket and a 25 service fee per ticket don't forget 😂

 

[Scouse]

If this discussion was about something actually essential like water, or Internet access on the other hand...

It's arguable that art is essential, because without it what's life worth?

We're building a world where we restrict the poor from popular art.

Edit: But it's not a hill I'll die on...

 

[Ormorof]

Hasn't that always been the case?

Apparently they might have broken some laws so what do I know

 

[Overdriven]

Hasn't that always been the case?

Apparently they might have broken some laws so what do I know

It's actually been seen as unlawful and it's being looked at. I can't find the reference for this but yeah.. People not told about dynamic pricing up front basically made it scammy.

 

[Ormorof]

The EU only limiting the upfront pricing requirements to airlines was a huge mistake tbh should just apply to all

 

[Embattle]

To me, the ticket price should be fixed and you can't resell it for more than the face value. I say this as someone who has never bought one so it doesn't directly affect me.

 

[Scouse]

Hasn't that always been the case?

Well, only since we industrialised music tbh. (although this is a whole new level). Music was something that most people participated on some level a hundred years ago. If not playing instruments, then at least singing.

My uncle is in the liverpool welsh choral. Used to go all over and it's interesting to hear him talk about going from place to place (or pub to pub) especially round here - and everywhere was rocking, every night.

Just not so much nowadays

 

[Raven]

Yeah, but music was awful in those days.

 

[Tom]

Plenty of other artists to go and see. But people are going mental over two Mancs playing with a tribute support band.

Plenty of other music acts to support. Playing in Manchester shortly:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJuDltx5akY
- £15
The The - £55 (a much, much better band than Oasis)

That's just two, this month. Why spend £500 on a pair of tossers?

 

[Scouse]

Local Welsh community council opposes planning for 18 affordable homes saying they only want Welsh speakers moving in:

Botwnnog: New homes should be for Welsh speakers - community council

An application would see 18 affordable homes built in the Welsh-speaking village of Botwnnog.

www.bbc.co.uk

Regardless of the English - that discounts 83% of Welsh people.

And they also say there's enough housing. Which is true. Because the problem isn't the English. It's the lack of jobs. (And, of course, they'd all be out on their arses too if it wasn't for the rich people coming on holiday nearby)...

 

[DaGaffer]

Local Welsh community council opposes planning for 18 affordable homes saying they only want Welsh speakers moving in:

Botwnnog: New homes should be for Welsh speakers - community council

An application would see 18 affordable homes built in the Welsh-speaking village of Botwnnog.

www.bbc.co.uk

Regardless of the English - that discounts 83% of Welsh people.

And they also say there's enough housing. Which is true. Because the problem isn't the English. It's the lack of jobs. (And, of course, they'd all be out on their arses too if it wasn't for the rich people coming on holiday nearby)...

That would be completely illegal if you were still in the EU.

 

[Scouse]

That would be completely illegal if you were still in the EU.

Yep.

I sympathise with the fact that they're going to lose the welsh language. And the guy who's wanting to build the houses just wants to make some cash - and if the houses are any good it's unlikely he'll be selling to locals.

Sucks for 'em But hey ho.

 

[MYstIC G]

Local Welsh community council opposes planning for 18 affordable homes saying they only want Welsh speakers moving in:

Botwnnog: New homes should be for Welsh speakers - community council

An application would see 18 affordable homes built in the Welsh-speaking village of Botwnnog.

www.bbc.co.uk

Regardless of the English - that discounts 83% of Welsh people.

And they also say there's enough housing. Which is true. Because the problem isn't the English. It's the lack of jobs. (And, of course, they'd all be out on their arses too if it wasn't for the rich people coming on holiday nearby)...

It's stupid, we spent our holiday in Wales this year, went to a Welsh speaking fish & chip shop. Had to use translate on the phone but nobody had to change a thing. This is just fear that nobody cares that much but language is fluid, not static.

 

[Scouse]

went to a Welsh speaking fish & chip shop. Had to use translate on the phone

There's not a welsh person alive who doesn't speak English, so the fact they made you use translate makes me feel sad.

Where did you go btw?

Edit: POIDH

 

[MYstIC G]

There's not a welsh person alive who doesn't speak English, so the fact they made you use translate makes me feel sad.

Where did you go btw?

Edit: POIDH

Oh, quite right but it's their place, their rules and it said so on the door so we knew what we were getting into.

Nearest place on a map would be Llanon. Pics mostly contain the youngling so limited selection

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