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[Raven]

How do you find the time, though?

And why are you so angry all the time? Just chill out.

 

[Tom]

It isn't really a change to the law, it's advice printed in the Highway Code, which may prove influential when the CPS are deciding if to charge someone, or the court to punish someone. The driver has always been responsible for ensuring that opening their door doesn't obstruct or hurt anyone else. But now the Highway Code will include guidance on how to avoid this, and drivers will be expected to know it. Note that a driver is also responsible for a passenger's actions.

What's the difference between stepping out in front of a cyclist and someone opening a car door, or hitting anyone in a public space by accident by any means, should they be fined for that?

Practically, if a pedestrian steps out into the path of someone cycling, they're going to get hurt, perhaps seriously. The person cycling will also get hurt. But when someone opens a car door into the latter's path, only the person cycling will be hurt - and very seriously. Maybe even killed. Riding into the edge of a metal car door at even a low speed hurts like fuck - it's basically a blunt sword to your body. And it usually turns the steering left, which sends the bike right - and the rider straight under the wheels of whoever is driving behind them.

Here's an example of a low-speed dooring incident:
View: https://twitter.com/TheBikingLawyer/status/1296124288815202305

 

[Scouse]

How do you find the time, though?

I don't post on a phone and can type at about 100 words a minute - so my posts don't take long.

And why are you so angry all the time? Just chill out.

Perfectly happy m8. Just about to ride into town to see if they've got any pineapples so I can make pina coladas. Headphones on so I can finish my audiobook (The Count of Monte Cristo - which is fucking excellent). Tree-lined forest paths for the vast majority of the way, no cars.

Perfection itself

 

[Scouse]

Here's an example of a low-speed dooring incident:
View: https://twitter.com/TheBikingLawyer/status/1296124288815202305

On Britain's roads that generally means they get fucked into the opposing lane of traffic - and luck alone decides their fate.

 

[Aoami]

??

I mean a reaction a la like, agree etc.

 

[Gwadien]

But I'm not willing to go "fuck cyclists" - like you clearly have to have have done when you completely misread the room by posting a video of a guy stopping a cunt driving illegally and dangerously on the wrong side of the road and pointed at the guy taking the video rather than the cunt driver. (I'm answering you, so I'd very much like you to give me your reasoning behind this.)

Honestly, I wanted to post his channel (because he literally seemingly does it as a full time job) but I was on my phone and couldn't work how to do it through the app, that's also his most popular video, so yeah, probably a bad example.

My point was in response to you doubting people are out there being voluntary coppers, but seemingly just hating people that drive.

I don't need a wall of text to make point, it's pretty simple; you're very anti-authority and if there were another case where the Government were pushing people to report on each other for other minor crimes, you'd be appalled.

 

[Scouse]

My point was in response to you doubting people are out there being voluntary coppers, but seemingly just hating people that drive.

I didn't doubt that there would be people out there being voluntary coppers - but doubted people would be going around filming how people opened their car doors. Which would be insane (though, now I think about it, might happen - but would never get actioned by the po-po even if people were barmy enough to try).

But these people don't "just hate people that drive". I fully reject that assertion. They hate bad and dangerous drivers that are killing them and their friends and making the roads so dangerous that the vast majority of the public won't countenance using bikes as an method of transport - despite the clear environment and health benefits.

So only bad drivers are getting fucked by these people. By camera-weilding people who probably drive cars themselves.

I don't need a wall of text to make point, it's pretty simple; you're very anti-authority and if there were another case where the Government were pushing people to report on each other for other minor crimes, you'd be appalled.

For a start I don't think the government is "pushing people to report on each other" at all. You leap too far, all the time. The camera thing is a natural reaction to inaction, coupled with the existence of portable cameras is enabling people to film bad behaviour - but the government isn't pushing anyone into doing anything.

The point about me is a massive generalism and oversimplification. You're reacting to a caricature you have of me in your mind, not actually how I think or feel.

 

[DaGaffer]

Things we all know; every person caught on camera doing something dangerous or stupid around cyclists who are riding legally deserves what's coming to them. What we also know, the cyclist posting on YouTube is almost certainly a self-important dickhole you could punch all day long.

 

[Scouse]

100%

 

[Tom]

I've reported plenty of motorists online to Greater Manchester Police, they have a handy portal now. It makes it much easier. More than a few have been forced to pay hefty sums because of it. Fuck 'em, they deserve it.

I wouldn't do what Mikey does, but I have no problem with him doing it. Just as I have no problem with hunt sabs doing what they do. They're just filming the indefensible and giving the info to the police.

 

[Scouse]

Trying to convince a couple of my mates to sign up for this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81BMz1i5GRQ

 

[dysfunction]

I've reported plenty of motorists online to Greater Manchester Police, they have a handy portal now. It makes it much easier. More than a few have been forced to pay hefty sums because of it. Fuck 'em, they deserve it.

I wouldn't do what Mikey does, but I have no problem with him doing it. Just as I have no problem with hunt sabs doing what they do. They're just filming the indefensible and giving the info to the police.

Pity it's not possible to report bad cyclists for offences....because they too deserve a hefty fine.
Ive nearly been hit by them flying through a red light as a pedestrian many times

 

[Raven]

A few cyclists give all cyclists a bad name. Chances are the driver would be blamed because the cyclist wobbles in front of a car though. They should be made to do a test and carry insurance.

 

[MYstIC G]

A few cyclists give all cyclists a bad name. Chances are the driver would be blamed because the cyclist wobbles in front of a car though. They should be made to do a test and carry insurance.

This, 100% especially with e bikes being a thing now.

Insurance should apply to anyone using the roads on any type of vehicle, the balance being the companies that would rake it in have to provide gratis cover for kids or something so as to not to discourage people taking up cycling

 

[Scouse]

1 or 2 people a year die in collisions with cyclists. And there would be massive health bemefits (and cost savings to NHS) if we cycled like the netherlands.

We need to make it easier, not harder.

 

[Scouse]

Auschwitz: Dutch tourist fined over Nazi salute at former death camp

A 29-year-old woman - who says it was a bad joke - is charged with engaging in Nazi propaganda.

www.bbc.co.uk

Whilst it's incredibly poorly advised - sometimes humans make light of things using jokes to help alleviate the absolute horror of situations, you know?

Not condoning what she did or even massively objecting to the laws that are in place specifically at auschwitz, but I can't bring myself to say she was "promoting Nazi propaganda", which is what she was convicted of.

Of course, if it wasn't illegal at auschwitz then neo nazi's would be turning up en masse for instagram shots (although I bet they go anyway and have secret wanks - so whether it's more beneficial having them in the plain light of day ... ).

Not particularly bothered. It's a criminal record though. Not just an administrative fine. So is serious.

 

[Bodhi]

1 or 2 people a year die in collisions with cyclists. And there would be massive health bemefits (and cost savings to NHS) if we cycled like the netherlands.

We need to make it easier, not harder.

But what if we don't want health benefits from our mode of transport because we get plenty of exercise elsewhere, and just want to get to where we are going - and back - in comfort, warmth and with all the stuff we've bought safely in the boot? Seems the optimum way to make cycling easier would be to fit bikes with a couple of extra wheels, some seats and an engine. You'd get loads of people doing it then, rather than just angry middle aged men who don't get enough sex, so take it out on everyone around them.

No?

 

[Scouse]

Okay dude

 

[Bodhi]

Seriously though - lots of great ways to get around the place - just pick the one that suits and try to stay out of other's way - no matter how you do it. Also remember accident's happen, but if you pay attention you can see them coming and avoid them a lot of the time.

 

[Scouse]

Also remember accident's happen, but if you pay attention you can see them coming and avoid them a lot of the time.

Most cyclist deaths are caused by being wiped out from behind IIRC. (@Tom)

"I didn't see him"

"He was fully decked in flashing christmas tree lights, sir"...

We need structural change because with the best will in the world people don't set out to kill people, but nevertheless unnecessary deaths happen despite very low participation.

 

[Bodhi]

Most cyclist deaths are caused by being wiped out from behind IIRC. (@Tom)

So in that case the onus would be on the driver to keep an eye out, with a small responsibility on the cyclist to make sure they were properly visible - unlike the nobbers round here who like cycling at night in dark clothing without lights on.

 

[Tom]

Pity it's not possible to report bad cyclists for offences....because they too deserve a hefty fine.
Ive nearly been hit by them flying through a red light as a pedestrian many times

You should go to the nearest hospital and ask for directions to the Nearly Ward. It's where they treat people who were nearly hurt.

 

[SilverHood]

In Denmark the leading cause of cyclists death has always been trucks turning right, who just can't see the cyclists, because they're in the mirror blind spot. I assume the UK equivalent would be a lorry turning left. At school in Denmark, I remember we always had massive awareness during bike week, about the danger of turning trucks. The gist of it was, never ever ever go side by side with a truck, always wait until it has turned.

 

[dysfunction]

You should go to the nearest hospital and ask for directions to the Nearly Ward. It's where they treat people who were nearly hurt.

Yes I saw a lot of road users there. It was jam packed.

 

[Bodhi]

In Denmark the leading cause of cyclists death has always been trucks turning right, who just can't see the cyclists, because they're in the mirror blind spot. I assume the UK equivalent would be a lorry turning left. At school in Denmark, I remember we always had massive awareness during bike week, about the danger of turning trucks. The gist of it was, never ever ever go side by side with a truck, always wait until it has turned.

Very similar in the UK, but cyclists Vs trucks is a harder division to foster than cyclists Vs motorists.

 

[Wij]

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[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1485607325687705605

 

[Scouse]

Very similar in the UK, but cyclists Vs trucks is a harder division to foster than cyclists Vs motorists.

I don't give a monkeys about "cyclists vs motorists" - I care about "people unnecessarily killed by cars".

Unfortunately, on the venn diagram, cyclists and pedestrians appear quite prominently, so preventing their untimely demise is where we should be focussing.

 

[Tom]

In Denmark the leading cause of cyclists death has always been trucks turning right, who just can't see the cyclists, because they're in the mirror blind spot. I assume the UK equivalent would be a lorry turning left. At school in Denmark, I remember we always had massive awareness during bike week, about the danger of turning trucks. The gist of it was, never ever ever go side by side with a truck, always wait until it has turned.

This is sound advice. Separating movements on the road works extremely well - it's why many new road junctions have separate phases for traffic heading in different directions. And FWIW I almost never filter past lorries.

But when it comes to large vehicles, what works best is legislation to ban the use of vehicles with huge blind spots. Manufacturers are beginning to recognise this. Look at the design of this lorry:

RoadStars: Safety first with the new direct vision Econic tractor concept.

A heightened focus on the protection of vulnerable road users in Britain’s towns and cities has spurred Mercedes-Benz to unveil a prototype urban tractor unit based on its market-leading, low-entry Econic chassis.

roadstars.mercedes-benz-trucks.com

BTW if I was ranking road users on their safety, HGV drivers would be right up there. They're almost always excellent and give me lots of room. Tipper truck and skip lorry drivers are all on a schedule though, paid per load. They're very often complete cunts.

 

[DaGaffer]

This is sound advice. Separating movements on the road works extremely well - it's why many new road junctions have separate phases for traffic heading in different directions. And FWIW I almost never filter past lorries.

But when it comes to large vehicles, what works best is legislation to ban the use of vehicles with huge blind spots. Manufacturers are beginning to recognise this. Look at the design of this lorry:

RoadStars: Safety first with the new direct vision Econic tractor concept.

A heightened focus on the protection of vulnerable road users in Britain’s towns and cities has spurred Mercedes-Benz to unveil a prototype urban tractor unit based on its market-leading, low-entry Econic chassis.

roadstars.mercedes-benz-trucks.com

BTW if I was ranking road users on their safety, HGV drivers would be right up there. They're almost always excellent and give me lots of room. Tipper truck and skip lorry drivers are all on a schedule though, paid per load. They're very often complete cunts.

And yet per kilometer travelled, HGVs are the second largest killer of other road users, and worst is...no, not cars, its LGVs. White van man is fucking lethal.

There's are really good "who kills who" analysis by PACTS (Parliamentary Advisory Committee on Transport Safety), and at first, you look at it and its obviously cars that kill the most, including cyclists, but, this is entirely a function of there being loads more cars than other vehicles, and if you look at safety per 1000s of KMs (which is the only real way to do a "per individual vehicle" metric), cars are by far the lowest killer, and more importantly efforts to improve car fatality numbers are probably heading down to the diminishing returns level, whereas there's clear and obvious room for improvement for vans and lorries. What fascinates me is the politicians seem to be very nervous about targeting van drivers in particular.

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www.pacts.org.uk