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DaGaffer

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Yes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't eat fish, it means we should change our methods and modernise.
In reality we should probably have a complete moratorium on fishing globally for half a century. Not just because of plastic, but mainly to restore ocean biomass as its a massive carbon sink. Won't happen of course.
 

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I think talking about the plastic problem on earth and limiting it just to 'land plastic' is a very weird thing to do.
 

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I don't disagree, one of the biggest sources of microplastics in humans is from seafood.

That still doesn't mean we have to stop eating fish.
 

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I don't disagree, one of the biggest sources of microplastics in humans is from seafood.

That still doesn't mean we have to stop eating fish.
Cut down on it?

This is my problem with the climate change/pollution etc etc arguments.

There's two extremes which everyone has seemed to back; either you have to be a vegan or you pat massive corporations on the back for doing stuff like changing their straws and as @Bodhi said, someone making a quick buck.

I think it's pretty obvious that we should cut down on fish and improve global food networks so we don't have communities reliant on fish, although they should prioritise those people over us who have a choice.

Fish farms are an option, but at the minute they're worse than bottom trawling, you're better off pouring nuclear waste into the sea.

I'm sure there's a solution, it's just putting enough money into finding one.
 

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We dont need fish. Its a risky occupation to collect the suckers. i could quite happily live without food from the sea. I would happily agree to the rest of the century being a no fish zone while humanity works out a way to do it really sustainably On a global scale.
 

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You can't have cod and chips without fish, so no to fish ban.
 

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I think something that would help in particular is having huge protected areas; we have 'protected areas' which most, if not all, allow trawling.

luls.
 

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Fish farms are an option
Tell that to my cousin who, once again, is in hiding from eastern european criminals for pointing out to the EU that it takes 4 lbs of fish to make 1 lb of fish.

Yep. Eastern european crime syndicates catch fish (probably using the slave labour we mentioned), turn it into fish food, then it gets fed to fish farm fish at the aforementioned ratio, before the severely reduced biomass is sold at inflated prices to gullible western consumers.

That's aside from fish farms laying chemical (and parasitic) waste to the areas around them and having long-term negative genetic consequences on wild fish populations.


But yeah. Industrial fish farms. Sounds like a great idea. Because we understand ecologies so well.
 

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I think something that would help in particular is having huge protected areas; we have 'protected areas' which most, if not all, allow trawling.
Cardigan Bay protected marine reserve is raped to death by bottom dredging trawlers.

There's no fish left in the fucking sea. I used to be able to (reliably) pull 45-50 fish a night out of the sea from the shore when I was 7 years old to sell around the campsite.

I'm lucky if I get a bite nowadays, never mind land something.


Well. At least it gives Norwegians an excuse to go on seal-clubbing holidays*.








*yes, an actual real thing.
 

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Tell that to my cousin who, once again, is in hiding from eastern european criminals for pointing out to the EU that it takes 4 lbs of fish to make 1 lb of fish.

Yep. Eastern european crime syndicates catch fish (probably using the slave labour we mentioned), turn it into fish food, then it gets fed to fish farm fish at the aforementioned ratio, before the severely reduced biomass is sold at inflated prices to gullible western consumers.

That's aside from fish farms laying chemical (and parasitic) waste to the areas around them and having long-term negative genetic consequences on wild fish populations.


But yeah. Industrial fish farms. Sounds like a great idea. Because we understand ecologies so well.
Aye, that's *all* in that documentary - I think the most shocking aspect of it (Apart from the 4:1 ratio obviously) is the waste from dead fish due to disease - it's nuts!
 

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Nightclubs for seals and Norwegians?
You would hope so. But unfortunately not.

I think they put paid to it (after a decade or so of bad press) but I'd actually taken the piss out of a mate who, when surprised by a seal whilst swimming, punched it*.

I cc'd everyone he worked with in on a mail to book said seal-clubbing holiday to see if we were all up for it - as it was clear that was the sort of thing that floated his boat ;)





*out of fear, the giant city-dwelling cockney wuss.
 

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It's a narrative game (bit like TWD id imagine) made with stop animation in someone's lounge.

I thought what they've shown so far is pretty clever!
 

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It's a narrative game (bit like TWD id imagine) made with stop animation in someone's lounge.

I thought what they've shown so far is pretty clever!
Nope still dont get the reference to having done a scouse
 

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Lol, they can fuck off. Passive data collection is one thing but sticking surveillance in your living room is just /lolfuckoff

Time to get the hat out and continue sailing.
This is the thing. I haven't pirated anything in years but find myself doing exactly that now, to watch everything you need so many subs now, all of which have inflation busting price creep.

The industry as a whole will suffer before long and nobody wins if nobody is paying for content.
 

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