Nah, 2011.Not one of those deranged transformer things? Or an older one?
A drop in the ocean.![]()
US restaurants face ketchup packet shortage amid Covid pandemic
The coronavirus pandemic leads to a surge in demand for single-use packs of the popular condiment.www.bbc.co.uk
surely they should be looking at ways to no use single use plastic rather than ramping up those sachets?
I hardly eat any fish. But everything contributes.A drop in the ocean.
Bothered about plastics/the ocean? Stop eating fish.
Not really. That's an argument that we like to use to make ourselves feel better - plastic straws for example the impact is negligible.I hardly eat any fish. But everything contributes.
Funny. Monibot article making exactly that point this morning...Not really. That's an argument that we like to use to make ourselves feel better - plastic straws for example the impact is negligible.
Fishing and the industry around it is the problem.
Aye, I watched that doc.Funny. Monibot article making exactly that point this morning...
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Seaspiracy shows why we must treat fish not as seafood, but as wildlife | George Monbiot
The film gets some things wrong, but it exposes the grim ecological destruction of the Earth’s oceans, says Guardian columnist George Monbiotwww.theguardian.com
When I worked at Wetherspoon their cod was farmed by the Chinese in Alaskan waters; I wouldn't count on your chip shop using a sustainable source tbh.I like fish though, had cod and chips last night from the chip shop. Fish pie this Saturday.
We need better practice, sure, but there is no reason the North Sea can't be sustainable.
But fishing and use of plastics are not mutually exclusive ways to be better environmentally.Not really. That's an argument that we like to use to make ourselves feel better - plastic straws for example the impact is negligible.
Fishing and the industry around it is the problem.
No, because a VAST majority of the plastic in the sea is from fishing.But fishing and use of plastics are not mutually exclusive ways to be better environmentally.
any less plastic use is good.
any less unsustainable fishing is good.
so back to the original point that you diverted. Lets not make huge amounts more of ketchup sachets and have people go and buy their own ketchup in glass or recyclable containers.
How though? Farming has proven to be worse for the environment than bottom trawling.Yes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't eat fish, it means we should change our methods and modernise.
It's not just plastic in the sea. It's plastic in the general environment. So cut out the plastics also. Don't ignore and say irrelevant as it's not.No, because a VAST majority of the plastic in the sea is from fishing.
Obviously all plastic in the sea is bad, but the impact of not using ketchup sachets will be negligible, as is straws (which as been proven) but it makes us feel better about it because we've done something easy to fix something that obviously isn't going to be fixed that easily.
Send people oout with rod and line or manual diving for scallops etc.How though? Farming has proven to be worse for the environment than bottom trawling.
Makes great sportNorth Sea cod.
Rod and line.
Some of those fuckers are over a metre long.
I'm pretty certain those wanky new straws McDonald's are using instead of plastic are a) not recyclable, when the old ones were b) undoubtedly take more resources to make in the first place.Send people oout with rod and line or manual diving for scallops etc.
and accept that there isnt enough / good ways to get enough fish to feed everyone.
you bought up the part about it being in the sea. I was just saying we dont need more sachets anywhere. No specific place
but that will only be via government intervention on a global scale.
caplitalism will try and supply more and more as the price goes up with rarity.
we use more plastic on land than on the sea. each is a finite use of fossil fuels. So while decreasing plastic in the ocean is good. Its not just that which is a concern. And every little bit of use thats stopped like straws is good. Not just because of the small chanc eit will end up in the sea. But because it helps in carbon and landfill as well.
Again my post wasnt about straws. But fill your boots.I'm pretty certain those wanky new straws McDonald's are using instead of plastic are a) not recyclable, when the old ones were b) undoubtedly take more resources to make in the first place.
Still we've got a big bag of Ikea plastic straws upstairs, I'm sensing a business opportunity. I'll sell em for 50p each to anyone in Maccies who's ordered a milkshake.
Line caught tuna. They are big also. Dont have to be a rod i guess a line with hooks and bait is better than trawling.North Sea cod.
Rod and line.
Some of those fuckers are over a metre long.