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it looks very pretty although is it me or is that video struggling to render and when it changes view it is slow to focus?
 

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The big problem with reducing motorway speeds to 60 to fight pollution is that the biggest polluters are the trucks, that can't go above 60 anyway. It's going to reduce nothing... It might even make things worse in some areas if it starts to cause more tailbacks. I agree that something needs to be done, I'm just not convinced that's the right step to take.
 

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The big problem with reducing motorway speeds to 60 to fight pollution is that the biggest polluters are the trucks, that can't go above 60 anyway. It's going to reduce nothing... It might even make things worse in some areas if it starts to cause more tailbacks. I agree that something needs to be done, I'm just not convinced that's the right step to take.
Yeah, I don't understand how driving for longer helps reduce pollution.
 

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It doesn't really work that way:

 

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Motorways should have the top speed increased to 90 on the outside lane.
 

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All the emissions damage is taking place in urban driving; messing around with motorway limits will do fuck all.

Incentivizing people out of diesels, and quickly, would be a far more effective strategy.
 

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It doesn't really work that way:

Then how does it work because my car is far more fuel efficient on a motorway than any other type of diving
 

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I always thought accelerating quickly was the worst thing, but cruising at any speed is OK.
 

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I always thought accelerating quickly was the worst thing, but cruising at any speed is OK.
It takes more fuel to keep at 70 than keep at 60 because of friction and air resistance. But you are right acceleration to get there will burn more fuel.
 

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There are many variables involved with the ideal speed for the best mpg, in general however if everything was equal it wouldn't happen at 70 mph but even worse is people tend to read 70 mph as 80 mph.

That link literally says:
Interestingly, the most fuel-efficient roads in the country are not quiet extra-urban dual carriageways or 20mph city streets, they are motorways. This is where you can leave the car in top gear and gently cruise along, using minimal fuel.
So we're still targeting the wrong thing. Roads need to be better designed to improve traffic flow.
 

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I'm not saying there aren't other aspects to improving MPG and pollution but I'm also not not going to deny that 70 mph in majority of cars isn't the most fuel efficient speed either.
 

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That link literally says:
So we're still targeting the wrong thing. Roads need to be better designed to improve traffic flow.
Iirc most cars are most fuel efficient cruising at around 56 mph. But even at 70 or 80 its still better than constant break accelerate of urban driving.

personally on the motorways i usually cruise around 84 or something.
 

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I saw an article yesterday how murderers that are children will get life sentences in the future.

Now this.

American prison system heeeerrreee wweee commmeee.

I would say its a Conservative approach, but its not, its gonna be a profit approach :)
 

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I saw an article yesterday how murderers that are children will get life sentences in the future.
Good?

You know, the law is there for a reason. If you break it and kill somebody - guess what - Prison.

I think some crimes should face the death penalty but you know, ethics are a thing.. (The major crimes)
 

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I saw an article yesterday how murderers that are children will get life sentences in the future.

Now this.

American prison system heeeerrreee wweee commmeee.

I would say its a Conservative approach, but its not, its gonna be a profit approach :)
Fine with drunk drivers or drivers who kill because they think the road is the ideal place to race their shitmobile getting increased punishments.

As for the kids, if you aren't fixing the underlying issues with gang culture etc then what's the point? America has demonstrated that just punishing people rather than fixing the underlying issues doesn't work.
 

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Good?

You know, the law is there for a reason. If you break it and kill somebody - guess what - Prison.

I think some crimes should face the death penalty but you know, ethics are a thing.. (The major crimes)
Nope,

if i get into my car and for some reason make a mistake that inadvertently kills someone i think prison is the wrong place to be.

you dont think that the average person this happens too isnt torn apart inside for the rest of their life already.

its like do i even drive any more incase i end up in prison for life.

if there is negligence on the safety of the vehicle before its on the road then some time would be ok imo. But not life.

punishment is supposed to fit the crime and this is disproportionate.
 

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A consultation carried out in 2016 gave support for the new driving offence measures from victims, road safety campaigners and people who had lost loved ones.
So the baying dogs get their way.

Consultation should reflect all of society. As someone who lost his dad age 4, and very much understands the knock-on consequences, I don't support it.
 

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