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Yoni

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Anyone out in the sticks got new BT fibre yet?
If you didnt know they are putting fibre to every pole in the country and even fibre overhead into your house.

My mate who still works for BT is going around fixing all the faults on overtime as they have just hired contractors to drag the new cables in through the old ducts and and causing carnage.
Hes moaning that EU laws limit his overtime.
So I said when we leave you'll be sorted, no they have told everyone they will abide by EU law even if we leave.
Which is entirely sensible because they are sensible laws.
350mb so far at most houses.
Expect that to dive.

Bullcrap - in EU countries you can work as much overtime as you like as long as over a period of time hours do not exceed the maximum (companies work around this in various ways in both NL you take comp time when it is quiet to reduce hours to the correct level). To be honest it makes sense because if one is constantly working overtime and all processes are efficient you need to increase your headcount which reduces unemployment....

when I was in the UK the excuse you were using was given to employees because organisations did not want to exceed budgets and lose year end bonus.
 

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Also, Fuck you @Moriath with I LOVE THE TORIES over a Freddies Gran who's in hospital.

Colossal cunt.

Can we just go back to the times where you post at 1am when you're prescribing yourself with vodka so we can ignore you.
Chill out Gwadien. @Moriath didn't say "fuck your gran" - he said "there's always been waiting times"...
 

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when I was in the UK the excuse you were using was given to employees because organisations did not want to exceed budgets and lose year end bonus.
Where I'm working now people have been working 60+ hour weeks for a long long time.

Of course, the bank knows this. But it's plausably deniable. I'm rocking the boat a bit - made a couple of escalations saying I'm concerned about the amount of hours senior staff are working. I'm a contractor but I don't give a fuck what they do to me really. I'm out on my ear in either December or February because of the Tories + Brexit (two separate pressures). So going to bat for people and winding up very senior management comes easy :)
 

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Also, Fuck you @Moriath with I LOVE THE TORIES over a Freddies Gran who's in hospital.

Colossal cunt.

Can we just go back to the times where you post at 1am when you're prescribing yourself with vodka so we can ignore you.

While I hope your gran is better you shouldn't kid yourself about others attitude, you managed very quickly to jump on your usual anti Tory soapbox.
 

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While I hope your gran is better you shouldn't kid yourself about others attitude, you managed very quickly to jump on your usual anti Tory soapbox.
It's a fair point about tory cuts to the NHS - and a predictable and frustrating response from @Moriath - but yep, he didn't need to jump on it in the manner he did.

But his gran IS in hospital....
 

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It's a fair point about tory cuts to the NHS - and a predictable and frustrating response from @Moriath - but yep, he didn't need to jump on it in the manner he did.

But his gran IS in hospital....

Technically they haven't made any cuts to the NHS, they've just not increased it by as much as some organisations/people believe is required.

Spending on the NHS in England

To help the NHS the following needs to happen:

  • Increase funding.
  • Increased efficiency.
  • Care home improvements.
  • GP Improvements.
  • Self responsibility from making sure you don't eat/drink/smoke yourself to death to making sure you don't turn up to A&E because you stubbed your toe. Funny story when I was very young I was stretching to reach a Robinsons bottle from the top of the freezer which I promptly knocked off, it fell metal top down on to my big toe leaving a dent in the bottle top and my toe swelled within seconds and was very painful....my mum certainly didn't feel the need to go to A&E as my gran who was visiting gave some sage of using some margarine on it :eek7:
 

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Technically they haven't made any cuts to the NHS, they've just not increased it by as much as some organisations/people believe is required.

Spending on the NHS in England

To help the NHS the following needs to happen:

  • Increase funding.
  • Increased efficiency.
  • Care home improvements.
  • GP Improvements.
  • Self responsibility from making sure you don't eat/drink/smoke yourself to death to making sure you don't turn up to A&E because you stubbed your toe. Funny story when I was very young I was stretching to reach a Robinsons bottle from the top of the freezer which I promptly knocked off, it fell metal top down on to my big toe leaving a dent in the bottle top and my toe swelled within seconds and was very painful....my mum certainly didn't feel the need to go to A&E as my gran who was visiting gave some sage of using some margarine on it :eek7:


... and that was the story of how @Embattle lost his toe. :)
 

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... and that was the story of how @Embattle lost his toe. :)

At a similar age I can also tell you the story about the can of beans I was trying to reach, needless to say I couldn't reach it properly thus it came off the self and hit the bridge of my nose :p
 

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For every AE horror story theres a thousand fantastic outcomes.
I have never been let down by the NHS and both my parents owe their lives to it.
Three of my friends have had emergency operations that saved their lives.
They just brought the wifes mother back from the brink of death with 2 weeks in intensive care after her heart and lungs failed, shes now walking to the shops, and Im sure Gwads Gran is recieving the best treatment now shes actually in a ward.
 

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At a similar age I can also tell you the story about the can of beans I was trying to reach, needless to say I couldn't reach it properly thus it came off the self and hit the bridge of my nose :p

... and that was the story of how @Embattle lost his nose. The guy's a fucking freak. ;)
 

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It's a fair point about tory cuts to the NHS - and a predictable and frustrating response from @Moriath - but yep, he didn't need to jump on it in the manner he did.

But his gran IS in hospital....
I would love everyone to get seen immediately. That would mean you would always have to have people sitting there doing fuck all. And thats not realistic.

As you said i wish @Gwadien granny had not fallen over and no where did i wish her ill will or revel in her waiting. Just explained the realistic world we live in.

i hope she gets everything she needs and anyone else who needs nhs care.

we live in a democracy where we go from one party to the next and which ever is on is blamed for all the ills suffered by the populace at that time. Its just a way for a select group to continue to run the lives of many cause every five years we get to choose the next set of dicks. If we had the same ones then we would be like china or have a revolution every now and then when everyone got pissed. This way we have hope the next set of dicks will be better than the last. Usually they are just different.

Tories, Labour the governments they form and their issues are all a product of the ones who went before.

Complain about the waits and the queues and everything. But blame the system and the drive for profits in big pharma for the lack of funds before the non cuts that have not been made.
 

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Go the baby boomers. More sick people more requests for expensive medicines to live longer.
We've known about it for years. We've known we've an aging population and if we're going to have medical care then we need to increase the NHS budget, not decrease it after inflation against a rising aging population.

So I full disagree with your assertion that it's the same under different governments, when it clearly isn't - and the governments own figures prove it:
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We're nowhere near at risk of "always have to have people sitting there doing fuck all" - the five hour backlogs in A&E, the waiting times, the lack of beds, the minutes-per-consultant which results in a poorer quality of care - that's not accidental and massively worsened under the tories.

Demographics are not a surprise. Austerity was an ideological choice, not an inevitability. People have died and are dying because of those ideological choices.

We can afford it - but nearly all of the productivity gains since the 1950s have gone into the pockets of the rich, rather than bringing the level up for all of society - and the middle-mangement-for-the-rich team that brought that about? The tories.

But hey, I've got free private healthcare (which is amazing, specialist doctors on-tap and to my timescales, private rooms, fitter nurses). It'd suck to have to rely on the NHS for everything.
 

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We have a shortage of doctors, yes, which is causing lots of issues because it clogs GPs up to shit, I get that.

The problem is that the NHS is getting a reputation for being very stressful for doctors because they're so short staffed, that, combined with the racist lot rearing their ugly heads and saying IMMIGRANTS OUT, I don't understand why you wouldn't chose to go and work in the Middle East if you're after £££ or Canada which have a recent history of being very open to immigrants.

Then you have Brexit on the horizon which makes future NHS budgets so much more questionable, and the uneasiness of living in a country which has lots of recent cases of handling immigration status cases really badly.

Frankly, the only way that we can attract more doctors is by making it a better place to work at in the first place; by giving it more money, the money it needs for the rising population of immigrants that the Tories need in order to create a cheaper work force.
 

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Its the same racist, christian right rhetoric..just thought it was a suprisingly good liberal website.
 

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Yes because the cases are so similar :rolleyes:

One crossed a border.

The other one killed someone.

Yeah, they're different, I'd expect our foreign office to say well wtf, you're saying we can't have someone who killed another person, but you're arresting our citizens for crossing imaginary lines?

lol.

Just highlights our massive insignificance in the world whilst sucking Americas dick.
 

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One crossed a border.

The other one killed someone.

Yeah, they're different, I'd expect our foreign office to say well wtf, you're saying we can't have someone who killed another person, but you're arresting our citizens for crossing imaginary lines?

lol.

Just highlights our massive insignificance in the world whilst sucking Americas dick.
One had diplomatic immunity the other did not.

The foreign office can only advise when someone breaks a law in another country.

it was the police who let the crash lady go and the she absconded. Nothing to do with the foreign office

Then is was only diplomacy that had any chance of getting the usa to waive diplomatic immunity. And Trump was never gonna do that. The uk guys will be sent home today it says in the report.
 

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But if the UK has as much clout as Brexiteers claim we do, we should easily be able to apply pressure on them to do the right thing.
 

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But still not to do with the foreign office.
Of course it does, they're the ones who deal with domestic disputes.

The foreign office could have pulled some strings when we took that tanker from the Iranians and demanded they release that woman that they've imprisoned, instead we released it and it went straight to Syria, we're fucking laughing stock, and you're massively deluded if you think we have any political clout over the rest of the world.

Don't you think we should be expressing some outrage at the disgusting behaviour of Trump towards British citizens?
 
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