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[Gwadien]

I still think it's funny that Job thinks there's more influence and money behind the pro-climate change group rather than the anti-climate change groups.

 

[Job]

Well if there is theyre not spending it very well.

 

[Job]

View: https://i.imgur.com/ooch7tQ.gifv

 

[Gwadien]

 

[Moriath]

"You feel"

I will feel you

Btw i am with you on population control / reduction. How ever its done.

Bonuses / benefits for those who are 2 or less kids would be a great start with payments removed for those who have 3 or more. Would have to be global tho.

 

[Gwadien]

Would have to be global tho.

If only we were part of a continental body that could do wide-ranging stuff to help the planet out.

IF ONLY.

 

[Scouse]

Would have to be global tho.

Nope. It has to start somewhere.

And I'm not about population maintenance, I'm about population reduction - we've already had earth overshoot day this year. Increased taxation on people with more than one kid would put pressure where it's needed.

Social justice for the poor on this point is outweighed by environmental sustainability for the whole human race - and all other forms of life on earth.

 

[Gwadien]

Nope. It has to start somewhere.

And I'm not about population maintenance, I'm about population reduction - we've already had earth overshoot day this year. Increased taxation on people with more than one kid would put pressure where it's needed.

Social justice for the poor on this point is outweighed by environmental sustainability for the whole human race - and all other forms of life on earth.

This is like a Vegan preaching.

 

[Scouse]

This is like a Vegan preaching.

Only because your entire life revolves around pink bags of sick that fuck over the environment because of their over-existence.

Your beloved beau - David Attenborough - thinks the same way I do. Too many humans.

Think of it this way @Gwadien - if there's less kids then there won't be a teacher shortage, and the possibility that you could give a decent level of actual education, instead of teaching to pass exams, would increase

 

[Gwadien]

Only because your entire life revolves around pink bags of sick that fuck the environment over through their very over-existence.

Your beloved beau - David Attenborough - thinks the same way I do. Too many humans.

Think of it this way @Gwadien - if there's less kids then there won't be a teacher shortage, and the possibility that you could give a decent level of actual education, instead of teaching to pass exams, would increase

I do agree, but like I said, it's like a Vegan preaching; This is how we fix everything, we go full Nazi on a natural part of human life, sure, remove giving parents money, but don't start taxing them. It's easy for you to say, because you don't have kids/have no intention of having kids.

As for changing 'teaching to pass exams' bollocks, complete bollocks, lol.

It's not like the West is to blame anyway, 2.4 kids per 'family' is sustainable, especially so with the amount of people deciding not to have kids.

It's more to do with what we do with our wealth imo, build more factories, go on more holidays etc.

 

[Scouse]

I do agree, but like I said, it's like a Vegan preaching; This is how we fix everything, we go full Nazi on a natural part of human life, sure, remove giving parents money, but don't start taxing them.

Going "full nazi" is not charging an extra 2 pence in the pound for each additional child they have to spend on helping fix the problems created by too many humans.

Going full nazi is forcibly taking their excess children off them, putting them through a mulcher and using them as fertilizer for a vegan diet.

Personally, I like the sound of the second, but would vote for the first. Because I'm not so precious about "natural parts of human life" that I'm blinded to the fact that our ecology cannot cope with our rampant uncontrolled expansion. And the fact that I don't think trying (but not forcing) to limit us to one child in the larger interests of the entire planet is hardly going full Chairman Mao.

 

[Job]

The very first thing business could do is allow people to work from home.

They totally resist it and it took 15 years of having the tech in BT before they let anyone have a home office, because middle..wasteofspace..management couldnt see out of the box.
There must easily be 30% of commuting traffic that are office workers.
Of course it might be a bummer in the winter when theyve all got the heating on all day..
Ah fuck it.

 

[Scouse]

The very first thing business could do is allow people to work from home.

Haven't been in the office for two weeks.

Of course it might be a bummer in the winter when theyve all got the heating on all day..

We heat the office anyway. And that's an entire year of commuting significantly reduced.

Nobody is saying don't heat your home - that's ridiculous. But what we could do is stop subsiding coal and gas to the tune of $370bn a year and take a small amount of that and add it to renewables instead - which would pave the way for a global low-carbon energy generation transition.

Of course, if we had 50% less people on the planet then our energy needs would reduce by 50% straight off the bat...

 

[Job]

I think that was part of Hitlers plan.

 

[Job]

View: https://youtu.be/5xw8DJY7aZQ

 

[Gwadien]

I think that was part of Hitlers plan.

Hitler also wanted to dam the Med.

That would have been a bit bad.

 

[Scouse]

I think that was part of Hitlers plan.

Hitler was big on home working?

 

[Moriath]

The very first thing business could do is allow people to work from home.

They totally resist it and it took 15 years of having the tech in BT before they let anyone have a home office, because middle..wasteofspace..management couldnt see out of the box.
There must easily be 30% of commuting traffic that are office workers.
Of course it might be a bummer in the winter when theyve all got the heating on all day..
Ah fuck it.

Havent been in the office for 7 months so far. Haha

 

[Gwadien]

I think transport/logistics is the easiest and possibly the best thing to change first; improve rail -everywhere-, have nuclear powered cruise boats around Europe, dirt cheap ticket prices, stop people flying for under 4 hour flights around Europe.

It's a about time we have a transport revolution, things haven't changed much for 100 years, just got faster.

 

[dysfunction]

Hitler was big on home working?

Yes a little known fact.
That and population culling.

 

[Job]

Getting a bit concerned.
Scouse talking about population reduction and is looking to buy a remote farm in the mountains.

 

[Bodhi]

10 warmest years on record all in the last 17 years. Last of the top-10 coldest years on record was 1963.

No arguing with this @Job, @Bodhi - it's based on actual measurements. But just so we can get them in there - it validates the models too:

As mentioned previously I tend not to get into arguments with religious people, as dogma trumps facts every time. If it was a real science then the people putting together such reports would welcome debate - climate scientists, not so much. They just hide behind ad hominems, utterly broken models (they still can't model clouds properly) and tortured, adjusted data.

 

[Bodhi]

I still think it's funny that Job thinks there's more influence and money behind the pro-climate change group rather than the anti-climate change groups.

Compare NOAA / NASA's funding compared to the Heartland Institute. Then also consider the FF companies are mostly balls-deep in renewable energy.

 

[Hawkwind]

So, epic few days. My son was in Aya Napa due to fly back to UK last night. Two days ago he started feeling very unwell. Thought it was a hangover but went to a clinic as it was getting worse. Clinic doc thinks it's a UTI send him away. Couple hours later he passes out in the apartment and sweating badly. His mates get him back to the clinic who diagnose appendicitis. They arrange an ambulance and get him to a hospital in Larnaca. After further tests the appendics is acute and they had to operate on an emergency basis.
Manged to get wife on flight from Heathrow yesterday and she is with him now. He can't fly for 7 days so stuck in Cyprus. Fucking nightmare couple of days. But at least he is OK.

 

[Scouse]

As mentioned previously I tend not to get into arguments with religious people, as dogma trumps facts every time. If it was a real science then the people putting together such reports would welcome debate - climate scientists, not so much. They just hide behind ad hominems, utterly broken models (they still can't model clouds properly) and tortured, adjusted data.

Lol.

Absolutely they welcome debate. If someone came up with a well-designed scientific study that showed that the whole thing was a shitshow, and the tens of thousands of well designed scientific studies that proved otherwise were wrong, submitted it and it survived peer-review then the whole goddamn world would breathe a sigh of relief and we could carry on consuming.

We want global warming to be not real. We're desperate for it.

But it isn't. And nobody nobody has produced the study that shows it. Because they can't. Because when people look, using science, they find that it IS climate change, that it IS man that's causing it.

It's funny that you try to reverse the religious people standpoint. "Dogma trumps facts" - when the facts, the actual facts, completely refute your dogmatic "not happening" position.

 

[Scouse]

consider the FF companies are mostly balls-deep in renewable energy.

Just because one polluting thing is ridiculously profitable doesn't mean that the new, clean thing that's eventually going to replace it isn't ridiculously profitable too.

But that doesn't mean you don't defend your major income stream - you eke it out as long as you can, even if you have to fund idiot "grassroots" pressure groups (just like the smoking lobby did) to give the people who don't want the message to be true enough uncertainty (in their minds) that it's all bullshit.

They know it's a succesful tactic - the smoking lobby has been using it succesfully for years whilst fags are still responsible for the cause of death in 50% of people that smoke.

 

[Scouse]

Good news @Hawkwind.

It's weird appendicitis isn't it. Strikes so quickly.

 

[DaGaffer]

Good news @Hawkwind.

It's weird appendicitis isn't it. Strikes so quickly.

When it happened to me I was under the knife within three hours of the first pain. I was also supposed to be moving house that day ..

 

[Bodhi]

Lol.

Absolutely they welcome debate. If someone came up with a well-designed scientific study that showed that the whole thing was a shitshow, and the tens of thousands of well designed scientific studies that proved otherwise were wrong, submitted it and it survived peer-review then the whole goddamn world would breathe a sigh of relief and we could carry on consuming.

We want global warming to be not real. We're desperate for it.

But it isn't. And nobody nobody has produced the study that shows it. Because they can't. Because when people look, using science, they find that it IS climate change, that it IS man that's causing it.

It's funny that you try to reverse the religious people standpoint. "Dogma trumps facts" - when the facts, the actual facts, completely refute your dogmatic "not happening" position.

People who welcome debate don't proclaim the science to be settled.

 

[Scouse]

People who welcome debate don't proclaim the science to be settled.

That's the weakest argument I've ever heard.

They welcome scientific input that may turn things on it's head - absolutely 100%.

What they don't welcome is intransigent asshats who want to do nothing but debate as an excuse for inaction - when the science shows a more than 99% confidence level (which they're not hiding from, or behind).

If you are 99% certain that a bomb is going to go off you'd do something about it. You wouldn't welcome the input of wankers who want to do nothing on the 1% chance that it won't go off. You would, however, welcome someone who could prove there was actually no bomb.