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[Tom]

I wonder what Trump's chums in Dubai think of his comments.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/trump-honoured-with-lifetime-achievement-award-47613.html

I suppose they needn't worry, since they have this powerful stuff called...erm...money.

 

[Tom]

How does what he said differ from what Richard Dawkins (my hero) puts on Twitter on a daily basis? Thoughts?

Dawkins is intelligent and insightful. Trump was born with a silver spoon up his arse and panders to popular opinion. There really is no comparison.

 

[Gwadien]

So where are you on the mass influx of religious people in general given that believing in God is akin to serious delusions and borderline mental illness?

So can we now stop black people entering the country, because statistically, they commit more crime?

 

[Raven]

What has that got to do with anything?

 

[Moriath]

Trouble is @Scouse that Trump has an aweful lot of americans that agree with him. Even though we can see he is a twat there are lots there that think otherwise and is why he will probably get the republican nomination.

Just hope enough think otherwise and vote democrate.

I think having other countries rile against him might show more americans what a nob he is seen to be.

 

[Moriath]

What has that got to do with anything?

Nothing @Gwadien likes to find other minorities and equate them pointlessly.

 

[Gwadien]

Statistics show that black people are more likely to commit crime than white people.

So therefore just like we're not letting Muslims in because they're Muslim, and therefore could be wanting to opening snack bars, black people might want to rob shops etc.

 

[DaGaffer]

I think he should be allowed entry. How else would we study and understand that haircut?

The hair is running the whole show.

 

[DaGaffer]

Isn't Trump exercising his right to free speech? or did he cross into hate speech? How does what he said differ from what Richard Dawkins (my hero) puts on Twitter on a daily basis? Thoughts?.

No, he's exercising his right to be batshit bonkers. No president (which is the job he's applying for) could enact such legislation, and even if he threw out the constitution it would be utterly unenforceable. On a side note, I see the cunt is a friend of PIRA as well

 

[Gwadien]

For those that say 'Why don't they stay in Turkey?'

(5/7) “Everything that wasn’t destroyed in our house was stolen over the next two days. We left with nothing. I can’t even pay the rent of this apartment. I’ve been in Turkey for two years now. I’m dead here. I have no life, no respect, and my children aren’t going to school. I have a PhD but I’m not allowed to work without a residence permit. There is a university here that is teaching with a book I wrote, but still won’t give me a job. In order to survive, I’m forced to create designs and give them away to Turkish citizens, who take all the credit and pay me barely enough money to cover the costs of my materials. This year I created blueprints for a giant construction project of 270 big houses. I was paid maybe one percent of what a Turkish citizen would have earned. There is no respect for my work here. Only money is respected.

 

[Moriath]

Statistics show that black people are more likely to commit crime than white people.

So therefore just like we're not letting Muslims in because they're Muslim, and therefore could be wanting to opening snack bars, black people might want to rob shops etc.

Stats show that more black people than white are charged and caught for crimes. That might just be profiling and them getting stopped more by the police meaning more white people get away with it. Or not.

 

[Moriath]

For those that say 'Why don't they stay in Turkey?'

(5/7) “Everything that wasn’t destroyed in our house was stolen over the next two days. We left with nothing. I can’t even pay the rent of this apartment. I’ve been in Turkey for two years now. I’m dead here. I have no life, no respect, and my children aren’t going to school. I have a PhD but I’m not allowed to work without a residence permit. There is a university here that is teaching with a book I wrote, but still won’t give me a job. In order to survive, I’m forced to create designs and give them away to Turkish citizens, who take all the credit and pay me barely enough money to cover the costs of my materials. This year I created blueprints for a giant construction project of 270 big houses. I was paid maybe one percent of what a Turkish citizen would have earned. There is no respect for my work here. Only money is respected.

Which is why turkey isnt allowed in the eu.

 

[old.user4556]

No, he's exercising his right to be batshit bonkers.

Perhaps, but it's not as batshit bonkers as Islam itself which is vast spades of deluded insane bollocks. Can you still define him as batshit bonkers that he wants to stop mentally insane people from entering the USA?

Dawkins is intelligent and insightful. Trump was born with a silver spoon up his arse and panders to popular opinion. There really is no comparison.

That doesn't change their respective opinions on Islam which are probably very close to each other. Dawkins is probably more extreme than Trump in that he publicly states that he wants to "find a cure" for religion, Trump just wants one faction of said religions to be stopped coming into the US.

 

[old.user4556]

110mph winds recorded on the summit of Cairngorm tonight.

 

[Gwadien]

Polskis charge 'Foreign' people £3 more to go to the salt mines near Krakow.

Mother fuckers.

 

[Scouse]

Stats show that more black people than white are charged and caught for crimes. That might just be profiling and them getting stopped more by the police meaning more white people get away with it. Or not.

Way to miss the point of his argument completely.

 

[Gwadien]

Way to miss the point of his argument completely.

If anything, Moriath as reinforced my point, so gg.

 

[Bodhi]

You'll be dumped into your oversized early cancer ridden grave of the side of your mobility scooter at the age of 65 more like




But on a serious note:


How do you quantify that?

Hmm let me see. I can live my best years as a monk and do all sorts of tedious things, like cycling, running, going to the gym, eating vegetables and all that shite (and boring the pants off anyone I meet whilst I'm doing it), just for an extra 5 or 10 years when I'm a burden and shitting the bed?

Fuck that - anyone seen my lighter?

 

[Bodhi]

Oh and Trump - don't agree with him, but he is awesome at winding up lefty handwringers, so all good with me.

I did find the irony delicous however. Oi nasty man who wants to ban people from entering the country you don't agree with! You know how we'll show you how much better we are than you? By banning you from entering the country!

Dick. Heads.

 

[caLLous]

No.

 

[old.user4556]

No.

Mount Nope on a nope.

 

[MrHorus]

*blink*

You slags still here?

 

[Scouse]

*blink*

You slags still here?

Nope. There's nobody here but us chickens.

 

[DaGaffer]

Stats show that more black people than white are charged and caught for crimes. That might just be profiling and them getting stopped more by the police meaning more white people get away with it. Or not.

Stats show nothing of the sort, but that's missing the point anyway. Arbitrarily picking "muslims" for a total ban is no more or less valid than picking blacks or left-handed people.

 

[DaGaffer]

Perhaps, but it's not as batshit bonkers as Islam itself which is vast spades of deluded insane bollocks. Can you still define him as batshit bonkers that he wants to stop mentally insane people from entering the USA?

That doesn't change their respective opinions on Islam which are probably very close to each other. Dawkins is probably more extreme than Trump in that he publicly states that he wants to "find a cure" for religion, Trump just wants one faction of said religions to be stopped coming into the US.

No one wears a badge at passport control saying "muslim". You might infer from someone's clothes, maybe, but given this would be TSA fucktards, I doubt that would be too successful. Maybe certain names, "mohammed" being a bit of a give away, but lots of muslims, especially from India and Iran or Indonesia, would necessarily have an Islamic name. Then there's the Filipino, Thai, Chinese, Malay, Central Asian, and countless other Muslim minorities. Then there's the thousands of Americans working all over the Islamic world who would immediately have their passports cancelled.

All of this is practical examples of why Donald Trump is a total bellend; but getting to your central thesis; you won't get rid of religion by banning it. You don't get rid of anything by banning it. The 25% of Brits who put "no religion" on their census form did it despite Christianity being the recognised religion in this country, and despite exposure to it all through their childhood. You get rid of religion by making it irrelevant and absurd; you'll never do that via prohibition and it would create an absolute equivalence with Sharia law (where you're banned from leaving Islam) if you did. Take away religion's privileges and special status in society by all means, but if people want to worship a teapot orbiting Neptune, they shouldn't be hindered from doing so, provided they don't expect anyone else to care or respect them for it.

 

[Gwadien]

No one wears a badge at passport control saying "muslim". You might infer from someone's clothes, maybe, but given this would be TSA fucktards, I doubt that would be too successful. Maybe certain names, "mohammed" being a bit of a give away, but lots of muslims, especially from India and Iran or Indonesia, would necessarily have an Islamic name. Then there's the Filipino, Thai, Chinese, Malay, Central Asian, and countless other Muslim minorities. Then there's the thousands of Americans working all over the Islamic world who would immediately have their passports cancelled.

All of this is practical examples of why Donald Trump is a total bellend; but getting to your central thesis; you won't get rid of religion by banning it. You don't get rid of anything by banning it. The 25% of Brits who put "no religion" on their census form did it despite Christianity being the recognised religion in this country, and despite exposure to it all through their childhood. You get rid of religion by making it irrelevant and absurd; you'll never do that via prohibition and it would create an absolute equivalence with Sharia law (where you're banned from leaving Islam) if you did. Take away religion's privileges and special status in society by all means, but if people want to worship a teapot orbiting Neptune, they shouldn't be hindered from doing so, provided they don't expect anyone else to care or respect them for it.

This, all over.

It has absolutely nothing to do with being a 'leftie' or a 'rightie(?)' it's just about common sense; you don't destroy a religion by just taking it away from people kicking and screaming, that's how genocides happen.

 

[Scouse]

You can't destroy an ideology with bombs either. Just sayin'

 

[Access Denied]

You'll be dumped into your oversized early cancer ridden grave of the side of your mobility scooter at the age of 65 more like




But on a serious note:


How do you quantify that?

I'm target weight for my BMI, the only illnesses I've had in the last 6 months are a cold and Tonsillitis. I may not be able to do long distance running like I could in my youth but I'm by no means massively unfit.

Does that answer your question?

 

[Gwadien]

You can't destroy an ideology with bombs either. Just sayin'

Nope.

Basically, we'll never fix this problem, it'll just have to wear out naturally, since we're not really willing commit.

 

[Tom]

if people want to worship a teapot orbiting Neptune

Tell me more about this teapot.