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[Raven]

Is "rekt" still a word for the non mentally challenged?

 

[Scouse]

I hate fucking videos which have the good bit at the start and absolutely NOTHING afterwards

Exploding zebras ain't enough for the yoof of today?!

 

[Scouse]

That's the difference between hourly paid and staff salaried though. One you get paid by time sheet and hours worked, the other you get paid for the job and are expected to do whatever is necessary.

So, one you get paid and the other you get fucked?

 

[Hawkwind]

So, one you get paid and the other you get fucked?

Hours wise yes, career wise probably not. Personally, I have not worked less than 40 hours for at least 20 years but was always well above the average salary with good perks. It's a choice I made and I'm happy with it. Other people prefer contract or hourly and that is perfectly fine, horses for courses an all that

 

[Scouse]

Hours wise yes, career wise probably not. Personally, I have not worked less than 40 hours for at least 20 years but was always well above the average salary with good perks. It's a choice I made and I'm happy with it. Other people prefer contract or hourly and that is perfectly fine, horses for courses an all that

I'm pleased for you (seriously, I am). But this isn't a conversation about people who've got a choice, is it.... :\

 

[Hawkwind]

I'm pleased for you (seriously, I am). But this isn't a conversation about people who've got a choice, is it.... :\

I started with a comment specifically on teachers and having to work outside school hours and not getting paid for it. They are salaried and not paid hourly. Personally I think they should get paid more but I don't believe, as salaried staff, they should get paid the hours worked outside the 8am-3pm. That would set a precedent that would make companies in UK less competitive if it became a common demand

Was just explaining the difference.

On subject of NHS it is mess, doctors should get more pay and they need to get rid of all the middle management to pay for. The bureaucracy, that is crippling the budgets and system. As I've stated previously I don't understand how they work the hours they do and make life changing decisions. Yet lorry drivers cannot driver more than a few hours without rest. Crazy system that allows that.

 

[Ormorof]

People should get paid if they are working

Forcing people to work unpaid overtime should be illegal

Regardlessof industry tbh

 

[Trem]

I think most teachers/doctors etc go into the job for the job and know they will have to do extra. On the flip side for teachers they get 13ish weeks holiday which means they can spend that time with their own children.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'm pleased for you (seriously, I am). But this isn't a conversation about people who've got a choice, is it.... :\

No-one's holding a gun to their heads.

 

[Scouse]

No-one's holding a gun to their heads.

Are you saying they shouldn't be teachers or doctors? (TBH I'm so hungover right now I'm not sure I'm logically capable of following this thread)

 

[Raven]

As far as I am concerned you take a teaching job because that is what you want to do. Teachers have always worked longer hours than the school is open, marking, preparing etc that may take them over a typical 40 hour working week (or whatever) They are more than compensated with a ridiculous amount of holiday time.

Completely different to doctors. Someone mentioned "just handing someone over at the end of the shift" what?! that's how people die. Its the nature of the beast that doctors will have to work longer sometimes, you can't 9-5 saving someone's life...however, expecting people to work scheduled crazy shifts all the time is also impracticable, a balance needs to be found.

People saying doctors should work to rule. What fresh bullshit is this?! "Sorry Mr Smith but I am going to have to stop monitoring you now because my shift is over, I will see you tomorrow if you aren't dead...Union rules I am afraid" Fuck off.

 

[Raven]

Edit!

That doesn't mean I don't support industrial action in this case (so long as it doesn't put lives at risk) For such an important and I imagine stressful job, doctors need to be both paid well and be given enough time to rest, they need to be given all the support they need to carry out their work.

 

[DaGaffer]

Are you saying they shouldn't be teachers or doctors? (TBH I'm so hungover right now I'm not sure I'm logically capable of following this thread)

No, I'm saying the unreasonable hours, the marking, the awful kids, are all well known issues before anyone starts their first day at med school or TTC. If all that is a deal breaker, there's plenty of prior warning

 

[Tom]

It's a shit situation where unreasonable hours are a "known issue". It shouldn't be an issue, ever. Education is second only to health when it comes to a child's well-being. Teachers should be paid a lot more money and to be honest, I'd happily pay more tax to ensure it was so.

 

[Scouse]

I have to agree with @Tom there. We shouldn't be running an economy where anyone has and expectation of constantly unreasonable hours. Occasionally, maybe, but never an expectation. If that's the case then more employees are needed and if that costs more then we need a structural rebalancing to pay for it - because the money is definitely there.

 

[Edmond]

I'll give @russell nudge to chip in on how many hours she puts in as a teacher, and the misunderstanding that everyone thinks they sit around with their feet up in the summer/easter/half-term holidays

 

[Scouse]

Voice of reason?. In the end a negotiated settlement was the only thing that stopped the IRA. But either way there seems little point in airstrikes or further military action unless we plan for post-military-action management. And proper, legal, up-front coordination should be an absolute minimum condition for action. I agree with the view that we're reaping a whirwind largely of our own (Blair's) making...

 

[Hawkwind]

People should get paid if they are working

Forcing people to work unpaid overtime should be illegal

Regardlessof industry tbh

So what would do about people that work for global companies? Where telecons have to be done outside your normal hours. Personally, I think you get to a certain stage in a career and its a requirement in a lot of companies. My boss works out of an office in Seattle given your statement I should never speak to him unless explicitly paid to do that. I think that is unreasonable and the company would reasonably expect us to be in communication often.

You accept contract terms and hopefully get a good brief about responsibilities, travel and working hours before you sign. If you accept those terms then I don't see the issue. There are many jobs out there that require international travel and work outside home country norms. It is a simple fact of globalisation and working for international companies. Bring in sweeping employment law to make companies pay for something that is perfectly normal in Asia, US, Middle East and it discourages them from making investments and creating jobs in the UK or EU.

 

[Moriath]

I have done a lot of out of hours calls to the usa, aussie and places in between in my time.

 

[Ormorof]

Then there should be a flex time system so you can claw those hours back from your normal working time

 

[Hawkwind]

Then there should be a flex time system so you can claw those hours back from your normal working time

That is in place in most companies these days. Personally I'm rarely in the office before 9:45 also work from home at least one day per week.

 

[Ormorof]

We have it at work and i love it, means i can squeeze a gew extra hours here and there then leave early on fridays

 

[Yoni]

Yeah but you're Swedish.

If people accept shit everyone gets shit

If people accept bacon everyone gets bacon

Being in Sweden doesn't mean you keep to EWTD.... It is a fact of life once you reach a level in any profession you get paid to do a job and not for the number of hours in a week.....

Drs need their rest just like lorry drivers and working to solve a problem sometimes requires staying late, just like sometimes lorry drivers need to do an extra shift but appropriate rest needs to be taken.

In the UK you are not as protected however even in Eutopia Sweden as long as you have 11 hours away from work (doesn't include travel time) your employers can request you work for the other 13 hours.

Drs are in a bit of a catch 22 as they have to comply to the hypocratic oath and 'do no harm' ... Striking harms innocent people, not the people who are deciding your salary...

 

[Moriath]

Then there should be a flex time system so you can claw those hours back from your normal working time

I work from home most of the week.

 

[fettoken]

catch 22

Catch is also a snus brand:

 

[CorNokZ]

This youtube channel.. 4 hours in and I am learning about the world's roundest object. I've had the EL Classico match on but haven't watched a minute of it. Didn't even realise second half was 20 minutes in

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHnyfMqiRRG1u-2MsSQLbXA?

Fascinating and told in a way even science retards like me can understand it

 

[Job]

Make do and mend pictures, this one made me larf,

 

[Gwadien]

Make do and mend pictures, this one made me larf,

Made you what?

 

[Gwadien]

This photo is hilarious

It actually looks like they're photoshopped is forehead on.

 

[Moriath]

Not really. Drinking?