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[Moriath]

Its probably our sense of caring.

Take yesterday, I had done 95% of my work by my scheduled finish time of 5:30, then a patient develops a new problem as a complication of something we did earlier in the day. Its not something that can just be sat on till the morning it needs things doing *now* so I stayed, as did my colleagues until we had got the scans, the bloods and she went to theatres.
This happens every day, across the country. Doctors give thousands of hours a year in unpaid labour. I think its probably the sense of duty and care towards our patients that stops us saying "well I finished at 5 so you'll have to wait for the oncall doctor to come and sort your heart attack".

The 90 vs 60 the thing is that if you're in a yearly contract like most juniors we'll have to sign a new contract next september, and get a rota that could well go up to 90 hours. So then you are being paid for those hours, because thats what your contract and rota say. If we said no, then patients would suffer as nobody would be there to care for them.

Cant you just hand over to the person relieving you?

 

[Scouse]

It's not reputation @Gwadien - it's that people accept it and refuse to work to rule.

 

[Moriath]

Every job i have worked has required me to opt out of the EWTD.

 

[Gwadien]

Vicious circle though isn't it really - you work for the proper hours, you don't get the work done and then you get sacked - because you don't work hard enough not because you don't get paid enough hours

 

[Moriath]

Every where i been its perception not reality.

If you make a song and dance you can be percieved to be working harder than someone who just gets on with it.

Even though results might show opposite.

 

[Lakih]

Every job i have worked has required me to opt out of the EWTD.

Not a chance in hell I would accept that. If you treat your employers like human beings instead of disposable resources they do a better job.

 

[Gwadien]

Not a chance in hell I would accept that. If you treat your employers like human beings instead of disposable resources they do a better job.

Yeah but you're Swedish.

If people accept shit everyone gets shit

If people accept bacon everyone gets bacon

 

[Moriath]

Not a chance in hell I would accept that. If you treat your employers like human beings instead of disposable resources they do a better job.

Where i work we deal with internstional companys. Have tot ake calls at odd hours. Maybe it takes 12 hours to travel somewhere. But i get 75k a year so i expect to be flexible.

 

[Trem]

I think doctors and nurses just care and it isn't the same as normal jobs where you switch off.

Also now I know @Tilda is a Doctor I have many, many questions I need to ask him.

 

[DaGaffer]

So much bluster. "I wouldn't do that" blah, blah. Fine, you work as a contractor then and are disposable. That isn't actually an option open to a doctor until after they've finished their training. And lest we forget, in the long run you don't see any poor doctors. The only real issue here is fitness to work; an air traffic controller wouldn't be allowed to work those hours for safety reasons and I'd argue the same logic applies to medical staff.

 

[TdC]

Totes SFW.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYy1cCpjOW0

 

[Raven]

Fucks sake, when is Steam VR out again?!

 

[CorNokZ]

Totes SFW.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYy1cCpjOW0

Boss didn't think it was. Fuck you

 

[Ormorof]

Fucks sake, when is Steam VR out again?!

I got to play with a HTC Vive a few weeks ago and it is miles ahead of Oculus DK2

Tried the crysis dinosaur demo yesterday and its like going back to early 00s in terms of graphics, textures poor and quite bad clipping

Its got some work to be done before it will be a success imo

 

[TdC]

Boss didn't think it was. Fuck you

So the wife caught you fapping again eh? :-D

 

[Tom]

I am in Blackpool watching Strictly Come Dancing practice and I can see why men watch this programme. The women dancers are hot as shit.

 

[backdoor]

I am in Blackpool watching Strictly Come Dancing practice and I can see why men watch this programme. The women dancers are hot as shit.

What no pictures

 

[Tom]

Well I have a career to think about...

 

[old.user4556]

Yep. Too many humans will do that.

It's one of the reasons I contract. I get paid, or gtfo. The problem is that principled people with balls get undermined by timid slimy little wankers who'll cow-tow to work. The sort of people that say "you should be thankful you have a job".

Thankful you have a job? Fuck that. Everyone deserves one. If we can't run an economy that doesn't support our species without fucking people right royally over then it's not an economy worth running.

If I was a teacher I wouldn't be working in my lunch break and I wouldn't be working at home either, not unless I was paid for it.

Sorry but a contract that expects me to work for no money can fuck right off.

My missus is a teacher, and I think it's bonkers - she's doing work almost every night at the minute, however it's not exactly difficult work (e.g. marking 25 jotters with simple sentences like "the man did a jobby" isn't hard) and it's somewhat made up for by the shit-load of holidays (2 weeks at Christmas, 7 weeks in the summer, 1 week in October and 1 week in February if memory serves).

 

[Bodhi]

So much bluster. "I wouldn't do that" blah, blah. Fine, you work as a contractor then and are disposable. That isn't actually an option open to a doctor until after they've finished their training. And lest we forget, in the long run you don't see any poor doctors. The only real issue here is fitness to work; an air traffic controller wouldn't be allowed to work those hours for safety reasons and I'd argue the same logic applies to medical staff.

I got the impression that limiting the shift length was one of the measures Hunt wanted to bring in?

Not that it's particularly easy to tell, as from a layman's viewpoint, neither Hunt nor the BMA are being entirely transparent in this whole thing.

We do need to do something with the NHS however, and I don;t see how ploughing yet more money into it will help - the NHS budget has doubled in the last 15 years, yet if you read any of the papers, it's been in crisis for longer than that. Some of the waste stories on the admin side I've heard first hand beggar belief, so if I was wanting to make any changes, that's where I'd be looking at first.

 

[Gwadien]

My missus is a teacher, and I think it's bonkers - she's doing work almost every night at the minute, however it's not exactly difficult work (e.g. marking 25 jotters with simple sentences like "the man did a jobby" isn't hard) and it's somewhat made up for by the shit-load of holidays (2 weeks at Christmas, 7 weeks in the summer, 1 week in October and 1 week in February if memory serves).

Yeah you say that but don't forget secondary school teachers and primary school teachers are in similar boats as each other. Which frankly, isn't true - you don't get shit from 7 year olds. You do from 14 year olds, and the marking is more difficult.

Its like we have a paid-by-the-hour lecturer who does seminars and he was encouraging us to contact him to meet him because he gets paid for it, he checks his emails on certain days etc and you'll only get a response if you ask on these certain days, teachers would be furious at this whilst other private industry people would be like yeah that's fine, he doesn't get paid to check his emails.

The teacher I worked with got me to do the marking for her, I mastered arty-smiles

 

[Shagrat]

Totes SFW.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYy1cCpjOW0

ok so didn't think that was that impressive until I looked at it on my phone!! Tried rushing one of them but it didn't work

 

[old.user4556]

Mmmmm, delicious.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEuE9yrwI6k

 

[Gwadien]

Mmmmm, delicious.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEuE9yrwI6k

I hate fucking videos which have the good bit at the start and absolutely NOTHING afterwards, just fucking edit.

I was expecting Jihadi John to jump out of the fucking Leopard screaming I WILL OPEN ALLAHS SNACKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gwadien]

 

[Hawkwind]

If I was a teacher I wouldn't be working in my lunch break and I wouldn't be working at home either, not unless I was paid for it.

Sorry but a contract that expects me to work for no money can fuck right off.

That's the difference between hourly paid and staff salaried though. One you get paid by time sheet and hours worked, the other you get paid for the job and are expected to do whatever is necessary.

 

[old.user4556]

Which frankly, isn't true - you don't get shit from 7 year olds

You just went full retard with that statement - I can confirm first hand that primary kids can be evil, twisted little bastards. My missus has been assaulted twice since the new term started in August. That shit never happened when I was at school, both primary and secondary.

 

[Gwadien]

Anna Soubry is annoying as FOK

Just watch her fall down and absolute get rekt'd

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06qc0mj/question-time-19112015

 

[old.user4556]

Very cold in Skirtland tonight, snowing hard in Aberdeen, heading south.

 

[Shagrat]

Anna Soubry is annoying as FOK

Just watch her fall down and absolute get rekt'd

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06qc0mj/question-time-19112015

She is awful isn't she. Her debating technique seems to be, I don't agree with you so I'll I'll ignore your point of view and shout louder.

She was trying to justify an all out war on daesh last night as they do horrible things like behead people. Guy next to her pointed out that Saudi Arabia do that and how come we are happy to work with them and she went right of on one and basically totally ignored a completely valid point.