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[Raven]

Yes, international waters.

 

[Gwadien]

Yes, international waters.

But the Americans are still intentionally provoking them.

Playing with fire will get you burnt.

Aren't the Americans meant to be the big boys? - surely they should be doing this wholly diplomatically

 

[Ormorof]

Well China are basically claiming everything right up to other countries shores

US is saying "lol dont care"

Watch whawould happen if vietnam or japan tried it and then it would get hairy much faster

 

[DaGaffer]

But the Americans are still intentionally provoking them.

Playing with fire will get you burnt.

Aren't the Americans meant to be the big boys? - surely they should be doing this wholly diplomatically

No, the Americans are (rightly) pointing out that building artificial islands in international waters doesn't automatically give you ownership of the those waters. The only way you can enforce international law is by this kind of action, because if you don't you've given the Chinese legitimacy by default, and the next thing you know they're building artificial islands five miles off California.

To be fair to the Americans, if they hadn't enforced Freedom of Navigation in quite a few places over the last 20-30 years, there would be shooting wars going on over territorial waters in half a dozen places around the world where countries have unilaterally tried to annex international water (Straights of Hormuz being the most obvious one, but the Spanish tried it on around Gibraltar a while back and it was the US that slapped them down, not us).

 

[Gwadien]

China isn't Spain though, they're a super power in their own right, they have weight to throw around.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Russian bombers fly through neutral airspace when we scramble jets to them?

China and Russia get pissed because the US is seen as the world police (rightly or wrongly) and the attitude that they can do what ever they like is one that just provokes them further.

 

[Raven]

So what? Its still international waters, anyone can pass through them.

Bombers are a terrible example and nothing at all to do with international waters, its Russia part yanking our chain and part testing ours (and others) reaction times for intelligence and preparatory purposes.

 

[DaGaffer]

China isn't Spain though, they're a super power in their own right, they have weight to throw around.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Russian bombers fly through neutral airspace when we scramble jets to them?

China and Russia get pissed because the US is seen as the world police (rightly or wrongly) and the attitude that they can do what ever they like is one that just provokes them further.

Yes, Russia does that and we shadow them, and I'd expect China to do the same with these sailings. The key issue here is that China thinks its being clever by effectively annexing disputed territories by building islands, and while the Chinese will face down Japanese or Vietnamese sabre-rattling (and both have sailed past these islands), the US can face them down and say "this isn't a nation to nation dispute, these are international waters". The US attitude is that all the countries claiming these waters are in the wrong, and they'd be correct.

 

[Trem]

Aye I read the full BBC thing (I felt dirty and it is hard to believe anything they say without thinking it was written by Corbyn) and I was amazed by how China had gone about it. You just know they will put military bases on there in the future.

Unlikely anything will kick off due to one needing the other way beyond this.

 

[DaGaffer]

Aye I read the full BBC thing (I felt dirty and it is hard to believe anything they say without thinking it was written by Corbyn) and I was amazed by how China had gone about it. You just know they will put military bases on there in the future.

Unlikely anything will kick off due to one needing the other way beyond this.

What do you mean "in the future"? They've already got troops on several of them.

 

[Trem]

What do you mean "in the future"? They've already got troops on several of them.

No military *bases* or structures though according to that report.

 

[Hawkwind]

Boo hoo

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34635206

I tell you want Mr. Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf bin Abdulaziz, why don't you go and fuck yourself.

Agree, build one christian church (outside of an embassy grounds) just one in Saudi for all the foreign workers. For the record all non-muslim worship in Saudi is illegal! And they want to preach about being the religion of peace and understanding. Sooner they run out of oil the better.

 

[Scouse]

both first time up a mountain

Devil's Kitchen a bit of a stretch for first time?

Not judging - never done it - just asking

 

[Trem]

Devil's Kitchen a bit of a stretch for first time?

Not judging - never done it - just asking

He pirouetted the fuck out of the bitch with a Babycham in one hand and a copy of 50 Shades of Grey in the other. He feels like a weight has been lifted, there is no mountain that @Job can't climb now.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Climbed Devils Kitchen at the weekend with daughter and boyfriend, both first time up a mountain, 1000m totally unforecast wind, cloud and rain, tried to descend ridge in 30m viz, could I fuck find the path, daughter started crying, it was proper steep descent, then out of the fog comes a mountain rescue guy on a walk himself, I could have hugged him...took us safely to ridge path and walked us out of cloud, bought him tea and pastie at the bottom, wife donated 50 squid on their website.
Hairiest climb ever.

Get the ViewRanger app and appropriate maps for your phone, this wouldn't have happened.
I got it free a while back on Amazon apps. Perfect companion to an actual map.

 

[fettoken]

50 euro for anyone posting this on FB frontpage:

 

[Job]

Get the ViewRanger app and appropriate maps for your phone, this wouldn't have happened.
I got it free a while back on Amazon apps. Perfect companion to an actual map.

I have been using Viewranger since it came out on symbian on a Nokia 6600, it's good, but the OS maps are sketchy there and I couldn't afford to wander about, I used the app to get me to the start of the track,.but it peeters out over rock and with big fukoff drops all around, I didn't have the view distance to see if I was going the right way..in hindsight I should have switched to google Earth, you can see the tracks clearly on that.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

fair enough

 

[Moriath]

I have been using Viewranger since it came out on symbian on a Nokia 6600, it's good, but the OS maps are sketchy there and I couldn't afford to wander about, I used the app to get me to the start of the track,.but it peeters out over rock and with big fukoff drops all around, I didn't have the view distance to see if I was going the right way..in hindsight I should have switched to google Earth, you can see the tracks clearly on that.

hehe thats how people die of exposure.

I on the other hand had lunch here

 

[Lethul]

I've bought a house!

 

[Job]

Cornwall or Mars?

 

[Trem]

50 euro for anyone posting this on FB frontpage:

You do know me don't you? Pay monies.

 

[Bodhi]

If any of you are in Manchester and decide you really need a burger, I can strongly recommend Almost Famous. Possibly some of the dirtiest burgers you will ever taste, but good lord they are good.

I had the River Phoenix, with cheese, bacon, onions, bacon frazzles, chillis, BBQ Sauce, mayo and Ketchup. Sounds like too much going on, but good lord it was nice. Although add in the fries we had smothered with cheese sauce and pulled pork - oh, and the Suicide Wings), it was probably about 4000 calories at a minimum.

But good God they were nice.

 

[Moriath]

From 2016, Nerf guns will be banned from dorms at Texas A&M University, but handguns will be permitted

Posted to twitter by the qielves

Stupid americans

 

[fettoken]

Sounds good and all, but as you mentioned, perhaps a bit too much.

I had a burger the other day, 300~g, three separate beef patties, with onions, pickled cucumber and lots and lots of cheese. Also, one of the fluffiest and most delicious buns ever made. Less is more tbh.

 

[Bodhi]

Sounds good and all, but as you mentioned, perhaps a bit too much.

I had a burger the other day, 300~g, three separate beef patties, with onions, pickled cucumber and lots and lots of cheese. Also, one of the fluffiest and most delicious buns ever made. Less is more tbh.

I thought it would be too much, but it tasted utterly divine. Right now if there was Almost Famous and a Five Guys next to it, I would be straight into Almost Famous.

They do a lovely cocktail called Bitch Juice as well. Yum.

 

[georgie]

They do a lovely cocktail called Bitch Juice as well. Yum.

I read that as 'Birth Juice' first of all.

I threw up a bit in my mouth.

 

[Job]

50 euro for anyone posting this on FB frontpage:

Mostly right, I have a few female friends who are really funny, but it's not attractive, the only one who pulls it off is a little blond who tells hilarious bimbo stories about herself that make you want to bang her ass off.

 

[Trem]

You don't call them female friends anymore @Job, now you call them fag hags.



(I'm so proud of you)

 

[Trem]

@Scouse you reported your own post or something, I rejected it because I think you may of been pissed. Either that or I looked at it wrong because I've been on the cider, either way it's been rejected and I'm the most efficient, highly regarded mod this place has eve....oooh look a dog turd that is still steaming I'm going to see if I can light my ciggie off it.

 

[fettoken]

Blind leading a blind..

Just make me a mod, and i will take care of things.

I promise it totally wont be like: