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[Raven]

Boo hoo

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34635206

I tell you want Mr. Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf bin Abdulaziz, why don't you go and fuck yourself.

 

[Job]

I mean really...sorry for the Iraq war?
Did people actually believe those bullshit reasons for going to war, has Tony got to come out and apologise for cheap propaganda to get the public behind a war simply designed to show the West means business and to make everyone feel better after 9/11.
If people are that fucking stupid to fall for such simplistic nonsense they don't deserve an apology, he needs to say sorry to 500 thousand dead Iraqi's for being used as a convenient scapegoat so the west could wank itself to sleep.
The war was there to remind Arabs we could descend armageddon on them and no one would stop us, all we would need is a sorry twenty years later.

 

[Ormorof]

A free what now?

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As Bob Marley sang "Looking in your big brown eye woooaaah yeah"

 

[fettoken]

Yeah, that fucker expects us to respect 'their' laws while he does not respect western way of living. Cunt.

 

[caLLous]

Doesn't really matter, they won't have any money soon.

(complete conjecture on the part of CNN but I'm going with it)

 

[DaGaffer]

Doesn't really matter, they won't have any money soon.

(complete conjecture on the part of CNN but I'm going with it)

Seems to be coming from some pretty reputable sources. If you look at their spending; they're the highest per capita defence spenders in the world, and they're busy bribing their whole population to keep them quiet. Got to admit, despite the financial shocks, I wouldn't be unhappy to see the end of The Kingdom; danger is that its replaced by something even worse.

 

[fettoken]

Thoughts on this, legit portrayal?

http://www.theguardian.com/educatio...s-consent-rape-sexual-assault-video?CMP=fb_gu

Am i too quick on calling out bullshit?

 

[Scouse]

I tell you want Mr. Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf bin Abdulaziz, why don't you go and fuck yourself.

Corbyn must be doing something right...

 

[Urgat]

Thoughts on this, legit portrayal?

http://www.theguardian.com/educatio...s-consent-rape-sexual-assault-video?CMP=fb_gu

Am i too quick on calling out bullshit?

It's an interesting subject that I think needs more research. But I can't help but feel the video itself was woefully one sided and not really as objective as it made itself out to be.

Also. This may just be me, but I struggle to understand the concept of consent being a difficult thing to define... I cNt think of any situation where it would be ambiguous. If there is ANY doubt at all then the correct course of action is to NOT fucking do it...

 

[Access Denied]

It's an interesting subject that I think needs more research. But I can't help but feel the video itself was woefully one sided and not really as objective as it made itself out to be.

Also. This may just be me, but I struggle to understand the concept of consent being a difficult thing to define... I cNt think of any situation where it would be ambiguous. If there is ANY doubt at all then the correct course of action is to NOT fucking do it...

You really think consent isn't that difficult to define? Ok I have a scenario for you. You're out with your mates and you meet a girl. You're both drunk as fuck and go back to her/your place. You have sex.

According to the law, you've just commited rape and if she decides that she regrets having sex with you, she could have you arrested for it.

If you're both as drunk as each other, how do you define consent there? She was drunk and horny, so were you. When you're both in that condition the thought that it could be rape will likely not enter either of your minds. Can you honestly tell us that no matter how drunk you are, you'd be able to look at the situation objectively?

I'm aware that I've only given one example there but I feel that it serves its purpose in highlighting the fact that a grey area exists.

 

[Scouse]

Am i too quick on calling out bullshit?

Why would you think it was bullshit?

Accusations of it being one-sided are harsh too @Urgat - it is, after all, about womens experiences - so naturally it would be like that. And I've no reason to doubt any of it.

But for balance (and because as a man it always seem that the focus is on what we're doing wrong and that women are all sweetness and light (and in many ways I agree it should be like that)) - the bit that annoyed me was the girl who said "you take a guy back and sober up a bit and you find you're not up for it". Now, that's perfectly acceptable - it's her absolute right to choose that - and the guy should just leave. But to expect him to be "cool" with it is another thing - I think it's fair game to say what he thinks of her before leaving and not be tarnished because he's rightly a bit fucked off with having his evening wasted by being led down the garden path. And the girls surprise that young men "only want one thing" is something that they need to be educated about - they fucking do, so stop being surprised at it.

But other than that, I can get behind that vid...

 

[Scouse]

According to the law, you've just commited rape

According to the new law they just recently manufactured to up the conviction rate it is indeed rape.

But according to anyone who's not fucking batshit mental, that's just drunk kids getting it on. And if in the cold hard light of morning the woman decides she "didn't mean it" and gets the lad arrested then the person who's being "raped" there is the man...

The idea that consent can be withdrawn after the act - or that two drunk people can't give consent - is fucking ridiculous. - if the law is what it is then in your example they've both been raped IMO - so she should be prosecuted too...

 

[Access Denied]

According to the new law they just recently manufactured to up the conviction rate it is indeed rape.

But according to anyone who's not fucking batshit mental, that's just drunk kids getting it on. And if in the cold hard light of morning the woman decides she "didn't mean it" and gets the lad arrested then the person who's being "raped" there is the man...

The idea that consent can be withdrawn after the act - or that two drunk people can't give consent - is fucking ridiculous. - if the law is what it is then in your example they've both been raped IMO - so she should be prosecuted too...

That's exactly my point. Consent goes both ways. If she's "Too drunk to consent" then so is he.

 

[Urgat]

You really think consent isn't that difficult to define? Ok I have a scenario for you. You're out with your mates and you meet a girl. You're both drunk as fuck and go back to her/your place. You have sex.

According to the law, you've just commited rape and if she decides that she regrets having sex with you, she could have you arrested for it.

If you're both as drunk as each other, how do you define consent there? She was drunk and horny, so were you. When you're both in that condition the thought that it could be rape will likely not enter either of your minds. Can you honestly tell us that no matter how drunk you are, you'd be able to look at the situation objectively?

I'm aware that I've only given one example there but I feel that it serves its purpose in highlighting the fact that a grey area exists.

I have never, and would never get drunk enough to be in a position where consent was in question... Including the women being too drunk to know.

"Is she too drunk to know what is going on"

I have never been in a state where I wasn't able to ask that basic question of myself... (Nor will I ever be)

So is this actually about a mans understanding of when to stop drinking then?

 

[Scouse]

That's exactly my point. Consent goes both ways. If she's "Too drunk to consent" then so is he.

I don't find it a grey area at all tbh. When you're drunk you know exactly what's going on - the only problem is your memory in the morning.

Lack of memory and shame doesn't make something rape.

So is this actually about a mans understanding of when to stop drinking then?

No.

For a start, you're on about men again - women get just as drunk (more so, as their tolerance is lower). But because you're unusual in the fact that you never get battered I'd say that you lack a bit of information to make a judgement on that.

You know exactly what's going on when you're drunk. You just don't lay down memories whilst you sleep. But it doesn't impair your ability to understand clearly when someone isn't consenting - and again that goes for women as well as men.


The current law as it stands is more about moralising and treating women as unwitting participants and men as aggressors when the reality is they were both drunk and are responsible for their own actions and the consequences thereof.


There's no excuse for a man to sexually assault a woman - and I can't actually think of a time when you wouldn't know that you were doing just that. So the problem simply is that an awful lot of men are cunts and who knew?

 

[Access Denied]

I have never, and would never get drunk enough to be in a position where consent was in question... Including the women being too drunk to know.

"Is she too drunk to know what is going on"

I have never been in a state where I wasn't able to ask that basic question of myself... (Nor will I ever be)

So is this actually about a mans understanding of when to stop drinking then?

What about a woman's understanding of when to stop drinking?

You're also twisting my point. You're talking about someone who is barely concious of what's happening around them. Not someone who's all over you as soon as you get in the door.

In your example consent clearly can't be given and the man should know better. I could also argue that the woman should also have the understanding of what her limits are in regards to alcohol intake.

 

[Access Denied]

I don't find it a grey area at all tbh. When you're drunk you know exactly what's going on - the only problem is your memory in the morning.

Lack of memory and shame doesn't make something rape.

But that's what makes it a grey area, at least in regards to the law. She regrets it in the morning and says she was too drunk to consent. It's her word against his and who's going to believe him?

Other than that I totally agree with everything you said.

 

[Scouse]

But that's what makes it a grey area, at least in regards to the law. She regrets it in the morning and says she was too drunk to consent. It's her word against his and who's going to believe him?

That's why I don't support the new rape law. It's a sexist, moralising crock of shit.

 

[Trem]

I've always carried a shovel with me to avoid any rape charge situations.



Before anyone flies off the handle about that comment I think women should carry a shovel as well, I aren't fucking sexist. They could have a nice little pink one that could fit in their handbag or vagina.

 

[Urgat]

Sorry, it should obviously apply to both sexes equally, I didn't mean to fixate on 'men'... My bad.

But isn't part of the problem that this whole subject seems to be heavily skewd in favour of females as victims?

Scouse... I think we actually share the same viewpoint here.

My initial statement was that I simply don't understand how consent can be ambiguous...

IE... Surely you KNOW if someone is up for it...

And my point was that if you too drunk to know that... Surely the correct choice is to NOT have sex.

But then you seem to be saying that no matter how pissed one is... You still understand "consent" ...

So my original statement (I don't understand how consent can be ambiguous) holds true?

 

[Scouse]

I personally don't think consent is ambiguous - but females are inordinately more victims than men because of the way we are.

The problem has been securing convictions - but IMO artificially securing convictions with unjust laws is worse than letting rapists go free.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

You really think consent isn't that difficult to define? Ok I have a scenario for you. You're out with your mates and you meet a girl. You're both drunk as fuck and go back to her/your place. You have sex.

Some of the women I fucked when I was younger I needed to be drunk for, they were gorgeous then.
Trick was to leave while still pissed.

 

[DaGaffer]

I have never, and would never get drunk enough to be in a position where consent was in question... Including the women being too drunk to know.

"Is she too drunk to know what is going on"

I have never been in a state where I wasn't able to ask that basic question of myself... (Nor will I ever be)

So is this actually about a mans understanding of when to stop drinking then?

I can't honestly say that. I've woken up in bed with a girl when I was at uni and to this day (25 years later) I have no memory of having sex with her. I never told her that of course. Should I have drunk less? Obviously, but then memory loss after drinking is only something that's happened twice in 30 years, so it's a bit difficult to plan for (I've been drunk many, many times and remembered everything)

 

[Gwadien]

I can't honestly say that. I've woken up in bed with a girl when I was at uni and to this day (25 years later) I have no memory of having sex with her. I never told her that of course. Should I have drunk less? Obviously, but then memory loss after drinking is only something that's happened twice in 30 years, so it's a bit difficult to plan for (I've been drunk many, many times and remembered everything)

Rapist

 

[Scouse]

Rapist

I'm more concerned with his sups-like-a-budgie attitude to drinking. Memory loss only twice? Pffffft. Fag.

 

[Yoni]

I think the law is fucking retarded all it does is make it more and more difficult for women who have been 'violently' raped, rather than have a drunken fuck and regret it the following morning, get a prosecution (if they actually report it). This subject really makes my blood boil, the damage that a drunken fuck can do to both parties is unbelievable

 

[DaGaffer]

I'm more concerned with his sups-like-a-budgie attitude to drinking. Memory loss only twice? Pffffft. Fag.

I'm beyond lightweight at this point, but back in the day I had skillz; unless I drank vodka, then its was just horrific.

the damage that a drunken fuck can do to both parties is unbelievable

Really? I mean there may be pregnancy or an STI, but I get the feeling that's not what you're talking about.

 

[Gwadien]

Bit like domestic violence, innit.

 

[Scouse]

Bit like domestic violence, innit.

A drunken fuck?

I'd have thought not - because a drunken fuck is a great time had by all, not one partner beating up another....

 

[Gwadien]

Nah, I meant that men can't be the victims of domestic violence.