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Edmond

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I watched Predestination last night, a time travel paradox headfuck kind of film

I thought it was very good if you like that kind if thing
 

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If he can't say "aluminium" correctly then his forge must be shit :)
 

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Found your mask @Scouse

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Meh. The company took a model of my actual face for that mask...
 

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Leeson..Walk among the tombstones...2 hours of my life I can't get back...utter drivel complete with youth connected sidekick...the ending is just abysmal.
 

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Yes the Beatles are 50 years old and I'm sure Beatles fans in the 60s were familiar with bands who started in 1910.
 

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During an attack on an enemy stronghold, he was shot in the arm and in the face, losing his left eye and part of his ear. He received the Distinguished Service Order (DSO) for his exploits.

Speaking in 1964 Lord Ismay, who served alongside Carton de Wiart in Somaliland, described the incident:

"He didn't check his stride but I think the bullet stung him up as his language was awful.

I think my language would have been pretty foul in the same situation. Interesting read.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30685433
 

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Nevertheless, it's still glorifying someone killing another.

Accepting war is sometimes necessary, declaring war not so much. I don't really have a problem with glorifying someone's individual sacrifices when fighting the enemy if they were on the right side.
 

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WW2

The Germans were quite obviously "the baddies" and we had little choice but to go to war with them. However, from a German soldiers point of view with no interest in politics and probably no interest or knowledge of what Hitler and Co were doing behind the scenes, they were defending their homeland.

I would say to die in defence of ones homeland for the sake of others is absolutely worthy of praise and "glorification"

That being said, I can't think of a single modern war that isn't clearly a landgrab/oilgrab/construction opportunity for the west that we have got involved in and I find it hard to feel pitty for anyone who supports the modern west's governments by joining up in the army.

They are not fighting for our freedom as the press would have us believe, they are fighting for resources for private individuals.
 
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But then you could argue that some of the German soldiers were forced to fight, so there heroic actions shouldn't be noted at all?

History is written by the victors, but because we know this, we should change this and be.. fairer..

It's a bit like today, if a British soldier kills 50 Taliban Insurgents, what if those Taliban Insurgents were only fighting because their hand got moved by the involvement of the West in their home land?

It's very rocky ground, I can't side with one argument or the other to be honest.
 

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See post above.
Precisely my point to be honest, and that could applied today with terrorism.

You can't label everyone that fights Western soldiers in the Middle East as 'terrorists' some of them could simply be in the belief that they're defending their home land from western aggressors, because that's what they've been told.

I suppose a example of this would be that we weren't fighting a traditional war in the Middle East, due to the huge emphasis on the 'hearts and minds' approach, rather than 'kill baddies, pew pew pew.

So to bring it back to the original point, now we've got the post 1960's point of view on history (Especially WW2) that all soldiers are not evil, they're simple people doing a simple task, and they might not necessarily support Hitler, is it correct to call a guy who loved war a hero?
 

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Precisely my point to be honest, and that could applied today with terrorism.

You can't label everyone that fights Western soldiers in the Middle East as 'terrorists' some of them could simply be in the belief that they're defending their home land from western aggressors, because that's what they've been told.

I suppose a example of this would be that we weren't fighting a traditional war in the Middle East, due to the huge emphasis on the 'hearts and minds' approach, rather than 'kill baddies, pew pew pew.

So to bring it back to the original point, now we've got the post 1960's point of view on history (Especially WW2) that all soldiers are not evil, they're simple people doing a simple task, and they might not necessarily support Hitler, is it correct to call a guy who loved war a hero?
Yes because that's how the times made his brain. There were three major conflicts in one life time. Once you are in the military your head can be messed with to make what your doing acceptable. They have to make killing seem normal or you are dead.
 

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