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Bodhi

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Good lord, you mean someone has dared to release a music player that doesn't sound like the sound is coming through a pillow? Perish the thought.

Will be interesting to follow this new Hi-Def Audio they are doing - it's long been a bugbear of mine, how sound quality has gone backwards in the last 20 years since the CD Days, good to see all is not lost imo.
 

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And that was the level of intelligent discussion I was expecting in reply.
 

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Its still mp3 though isn't it? I can't see how £900 can polish a turd.
 

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Its still mp3 though isn't it? I can't see how £900 can polish a turd.
It can't. Which is why I wasn't going to bother talking to @Bodhi about it because his fanboi-ism blinds him to obvious retardedness...
 

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Also, in reality a phone costs 6-700 when new so you are basically paying for a phone that doesn't phone. I am pretty sure it won't be that much more superior to a high end smartphone.

Though I always thought tablets were dumb, giant phones that don't phone...but people seem to have fallen for them so who knows...
 

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Its still mp3 though isn't it? I can't see how £900 can polish a turd.

If you do some digging you'll see it supports a hell of a lot more than that. Sure you can play mp3's on it, but it's capable of a lot more than that, whether that is of interest to you is entirely up to you. However it's not really aimed at people who think playing music on a phone is an acceptable solution - it's aimed at the people who have spent thousands on their existing hi-fi, and want a music player to compliment it. It's a niche product at this stage, but one which will trickle down to cheaper Walkmans and the Xperia range (my Z3 can already do Hi-Res Audio through an external DAC). As I said, it's good to see someone out there still cares about sound quality, after Apple's 15 year mission to destroy the concept.

More info here: http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7493145/new-sony-walkman-zx2-ces-2015
 

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If you do some digging you'll see it supports a hell of a lot more than that. Sure you can play mp3's on it, but it's capable of a lot more than that, whether that is of interest to you is entirely up to you. However it's not really aimed at people who think playing music on a phone is an acceptable solution - it's aimed at the people who have spent thousands on their existing hi-fi, and want a music player to compliment it. It's a niche product at this stage, but one which will trickle down to cheaper Walkmans and the Xperia range (my Z3 can already do Hi-Res Audio through an external DAC). As I said, it's good to see someone out there still cares about sound quality, after Apple's 15 year mission to destroy the concept.

More info here: http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7493145/new-sony-walkman-zx2-ces-2015
Does it play loss less format audio files. That's the only reason to pay more I would guess. As if it's just compressed audio your going to be missing bit out of the sound track anyway.
 

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Does it play loss less format audio files. That's the only reason to pay more I would guess.
Pretty much any android device plays all of the audio formats it supports - and they act as a phone too.

This device is for the sort of utter retard who'd spend 5 grand on a cable despite it making no measurable difference at all.
 

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Pretty much any android device plays all of the audio formats it supports - and they act as a phone too.

This device is for the sort of utter retard who'd spend 5 grand on a cable despite it making no measurable difference at all.

They will play them yes, but with their lack of 24-bit DAC's onboard, they will just sound like normal tracks off a phone.

Big explanation of what you get here http://discover.store.sony.com/High-Resolution-Audio/

If it's not for you, great. But to discount it as no better than a mobile is missing the point of these things by a mile. £900 might be too much for a media player for some people, much like £2500 on a bicycle isn't going to be for anyone - however despite how little I care about cycling, I would never try to claim that there's no point in paying silly money on a bike, when a £99 job from Halfords can do a similar job. As even though I haven't been near a bicycle since I got all growed up, I can see why people would spend the extra.
 

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Unanswerable question;

Russian & Chinese Revolutions.

Marx said they'd happen, but did they happen because Marx said they'd happen?

D:
 

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They will play them yes, but with their lack of 24-bit DAC's onboard, they will just sound like normal tracks off a phone.
To anyone other than a 13 year old who's ears haven't been fucked yet and through anything other than amazing speakers in an accoustically designed room they'll sound like normal tracks off a phone anyway.

Sound and it's properties just happens to be something I actually know a fair bit about because of research I used to do at Uni on it. (Specifically how to attenuate it at different frequencies).

But hey - if idiots want to spend a fuckload of cash on something they won't be able to hear the difference from then they should knock themselves out IMO. They're idiots - but I'll concede they'll be happy idiots with spanky gadgets :)
 

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Some people have too much money to burn these days.

And how the fuck did that cyclist not get flattened by that car or lorry is beyond me.
 

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Have to admit, the PR stunt around it is working really well. Shame it's a rogen movie.
 

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Unanswerable question;

Russian & Chinese Revolutions.

Marx said they'd happen, but did they happen because Marx said they'd happen?

D:

No he didn't. In fact Marx specifically discounted Russia because he said it was too backward to have reached the right stage in its industrial development for revolution to happen. Marx insisted the revolution would first happen in Germany or Britain...
 

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No he didn't. In fact Marx specifically discounted Russia because he said it was too backward to have reached the right stage in its industrial development for revolution to happen. Marx insisted the revolution would first happen in Germany or Britain...

OK, not Russia specifically, but he did count on a Revolution happening, where they'd rise up against the middle/upperclasses, but what I'm saying is, if Marx didn't say what he did, would have it become a 'democratic' capitalist revolution?
 

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OK, not Russia specifically, but he did count on a Revolution happening, where they'd rise up against the middle/upperclasses, but what I'm saying is, if Marx didn't say what he did, would have it become a 'democratic' capitalist revolution?

Marx, despite protests from Marxists, is primarily a philosophical construct, not an economic one, so no, without Marx creating specifically Marxist principles, revolution wouldn't have happened the same way, although "democratic capitalist revolution" is hardly the likely alternative (most revolutions end up with autocrats of some description running the show). Adam Smith on the other hand, didn't need to write The Wealth of Nations, and if he'd never existed it probably wouldn't have altered anything.
 

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Marx, despite protests from Marxists, is primarily a philosophical construct, not an economic one, so no, without Marx creating specifically Marxist principles, revolution wouldn't have happened the same way, although "democratic capitalist revolution" is hardly the likely alternative (most revolutions end up with autocrats of some description running the show). Adam Smith on the other hand, didn't need to write The Wealth of Nations, and if he'd never existed it probably wouldn't have altered anything.

Hmm, do you think revolutions need some kind of prior foundation which can either be another change, be it physical or intellectually for a revolution to happen;

I mean, the Russian Revolution was about them removing the old form of Government, and saying, oh, look, Marxism looks cool.

Whereas in France the Industrial 'Revolution' was underway so the obvious thing to grasp upon would be a middle class revolution since they're the one with the wealth, but very little power?

Arguably, with the rise of islamaphobia in the western world, and the natural enemy of Islam being Christianity, possibly (Very slimly) there could be some kind of religious revival in politics as a 'back bone' against the new threat.

I don't know, perhaps it isn't internal enough for there to be significant change.
 

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Hmm, do you think revolutions need some kind of prior foundation which can either be another change, be it physical or intellectually for a revolution to happen;

I mean, the Russian Revolution was about them removing the old form of Government, and saying, oh, look, Marxism looks cool.

Whereas in France the Industrial 'Revolution' was underway so the obvious thing to grasp upon would be a middle class revolution since they're the one with the wealth, but very little power?

Arguably, with the rise of islamaphobia in the western world, and the natural enemy of Islam being Christianity, possibly (Very slimly) there could be some kind of religious revival in politics as a 'back bone' against the new threat.

I don't know, perhaps it isn't internal enough for there to be significant change.

Marxism won out in the Russian Revolution as one of several competing forms of government mainly because its backers had the strongest will, a good deal of luck and a lot of ruthlessness.

I'm not sure what you're on about with France. It was actually the lack of a successful middle class that was one of the reasons for the revolution, with power and wealth concentrated amongst an extremely small group of people (sound familiar?), who in France were so concentrated they basically all lived in the same building (Versailles). The UK at the same time had a rapidly expanding commercial and middle class who actively worked to limit concentration of power at the very top. Its the thing that worries me most about the way the world is heading; the fact is, "the 1%" isn't a new phenomenon, its the return to a very old one, where almost all the wealth is concentrated right at the top (the reality prior to the industrial revolution is "the 1%" were probably the "o.01%"). Maybe that's the default state of affairs for humanity, which is a depressing thought.

As for Islamophobia, I get the feeling there's an awful lot of people who'd be very comfortable with a simple bipolar world, where the Islamic world was the clear enemy and we were the "good guys", and would be quite happy to send everyone with a brown complexion "back where they came from" because it would make them easier to shoot at. The Cold War could be scary as fuck, but it was genuinely a simpler time. In reality I think Islam is a giant red herring; China and India are the future and when the oil runs out we'll be left fighting over the scraps from their table.
 

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Always fun to find out new about the games industry. Can you guess what games this guy made possible(Designer/creator)?

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