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[Gwadien]

Minimum wage is the same in London as other places.

Most jobs in London get more pay, because you have to afford to live in London, was just wondering if Agencies operated on a similar principle, or if they paid their staff the same, because there's probably less demand for labour.

 

[Moriath]

You would be surprised. A lot of the unskilled jobs just get minimum wage. Is why there is such a housing crisis for councils in London cause people can't afford the rents and now benefits are capped at 24k or whatever it is housing isn't covering the price of rents either.

 

[Gwadien]

I guess this sort of explain this then:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20713380

Tbh it seems immigration is quite spread to be honest, I would of though the populations of London would be higher and everywhere else a bit lower.

Indian migration in Leicester is a whole different game to be honest, the middle classes in Leicester are mainly Indians who seem to keep its head above water, since Leicester hasn't got a lot of middle class areas, they're mainly in Leicestershire, where the whites live.

Frankly, as it stands, Leicester would be bank-rupt, its not that the Indians have driven out the whites, its more than there isn't many places which are deemed diserable in the City, whilst having some god damn beautiful villages and small towns surrounding Leicester.

 

[Billargh]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/and-a-big-hello-to-jason-isaacs

"11 Film Posters Improved By Mark Kermode's Scathing Reviews".

I'm terribly sorry for linking to Buzzfeed, but these are brilliant.

 

[DaGaffer]

So devise a way where the economic migrants don't all come to the south east. The facilities and housing are stretched in the south. By limiting the numbers coming in we are limiting the over population of the south. But my comparison to the population of France still stands

No, it really doesn't stand. A Parisian would make the same complaint about overcrowding even though the rest of France is empty. This is globalisation in action, and the South-East's "problems" are a sign of success, not failure. People need to get used to the idea that pulling up the drawbridge just isn't a practical option any more, because successful economies attract people.

What it probably does mean is that more and more of the public purse gets sucked into the infrastructure of London, and people accept their quality of life is about space or money, but probably not both for most people.

 

[CorNokZ]

All in one take.. Wow


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcZTdbK63dk

 

[Moriath]

No, it really doesn't stand. A Parisian would make the same complaint about overcrowding even though the rest of France is empty. This is globalisation in action, and the South-East's "problems" are a sign of success, not failure. People need to get used to the idea that pulling up the drawbridge just isn't a practical option any more, because successful economies attract people.

What it probably does mean is that more and more of the public purse gets sucked into the infrastructure of London, and people accept their quality of life is about space or money, but probably not both for most people.

Ok let me put it this way. The south of England is too populated for me. When it takes 1 hour plus to do the fifteen miles home. And regular queues to get into the major shopping centres. When you have problems getting school places and doctors surgeries have huge waiting times to get an appointment.

I am not talking about the capital of the country. I'm talking about the Home Counties and the pressure to build new homes and destroy green belt that is around here.

 

[Raven]

Its ok, the midlands are over populated too, they seem to be constantly building shitty little estates but no extra hospitals, schools, roads etc.

 

[Gwadien]

Its ok, the midlands are over populated too, they seem to be constantly building shitty little estates but no extra hospitals, schools, roads etc.

But is that migrations fault or is it migration an excuse for it?

I've seen schools/doctors surgeries around Leicester (Mainly because they're being morphed into huge ones dotted around the city, but its -alot- less staff in total.

Also, nurses are being laid off and meaning we're not employing anymore, so therefore hospitals are feeling the stresses.

We're just using immigration as an excuse for all the failures of capitalism.

 

[Raven]

Its uncontrolled population growth, plenty of reasons for it.

Fuck all to do with capitalism, more of a socialist issue. Everyone gets a house, regardless of whether you spend your days watching UK Gold.

 

[Gwadien]

Its uncontrolled population growth, plenty of reasons for it.

Fuck all to do with capitalism, more of a socialist issue. Everyone gets a house, regardless of whether you spend your days watching UK Gold.

Nope, it is to do with capitalism, look at every rise of extremist groups, it's always in economic slumps, people try to find something to blame, once we're back on track and you're going for your 500k mortgages on 30k a year, you'll forget about migrants and dole scroungers.

Go complain to Japan about overcrowding, I guess they won't blame migration.

 

[Moriath]

Nope, it is to do with capitalism, look at every rise of extremist groups, it's always in economic slumps, people try to find something to blame, once we're back on track and you're going for your 500k mortgages on 30k a year, you'll forget about migrants and dole scroungers.

Go complain to Japan about overcrowding, I guess they won't blame migration.

No but Japan have the investment in infrastructure. I mean we could get everyone on the planet living in the state of Texas if we wanted. But the Infrastructure for movement and social care etc needs to be in place. Which it isn't here. Jesus we take 15 years to design and build a train line.

Our infrastructure is pants compared to a lot of western countries. Not the usa they just rely on the car.

 

[Gwadien]

No but Japan have the investment in infrastructure. I mean we could get everyone on the planet living in the state of Texas if we wanted. But the Infrastructure for movement and social care etc needs to be in place. Which it isn't here. Jesus we take 15 years to design and build a train line.

Our infrastructure is pants compared to a lot of western countries. Not the usa they just rely on the car.

So we're one of the richest countries on the planet, with a terrible infrastructure.

and it's migrations fault?

 

[Job]

Recently visited France and talking to a large group of all class of French white people they all were incensed about their country being taken over by Muslims..they are approaching a third of the population

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Moriath]

So we're one of the richest countries on the planet, with a terrible infrastructure.

and it's migrations fault?

Didn't say it was the fault of migration that we have bad infrastructure. But it is adding to the population and we can't cope with it.

It's diluting the services that are available rather than them being scaled up.

So the government have two options. Spend shit loads on infrastructure that they don't have. Or limit population growth and work to make what we have got work for those here already.

It's why the us is struggling because of the growth of population they don't have the money to keep up with the demand. And we as a country don't have the money to better the service.

 

[Gwadien]

Didn't say it was the fault of migration that we have bad infrastructure. But it is adding to the population and we can't cope with it.

It's diluting the services that are available rather than them being scaled up.

So the government have two options. Spend shit loads on infrastructure that they don't have. Or limit population growth and work to make what we have got work for those here already.

It's why the us is struggling because of the growth of population they don't have the money to keep up with the demand. And we as a country don't have the money to better the service.

Because people who think about this more than those who join radical politics know that once we've come out of the slump, we'll be opening our borders again anyway.

So what's the point fucking up the status quo temporarily?

 

[Moriath]

Because people who think about this more than those who join radical politics know that once we've come out of the slump, we'll be opening our borders again anyway.

So what's the point fucking up the status quo temporarily?

Cause even in the eighties and late nineties we still had shit infrastructure and good capital growth. It just masked it. When you been round this merry go round a few times you will understand.

 

[Gwadien]

Cause even in the eighties and late nineties we still had shit infrastructure and good capital growth. It just masked it. When you been round this merry go round a few times you will understand.

Nope, it is to do with capitalism, look at every rise of extremist groups, it's always in economic slumps, people try to find something to blame, once we're back on track and you're going for your 500k mortgages on 30k a year, you'll forget about migrants and dole scroungers.

 

[Moriath]

Through out the seventies and eighties and nineties I never saw the rise of the bnp Britain first and other nationalist groups. Even though we had recessions in each of them. Only in the last few years have you seen the likes of Nick griffin etc taken seriously. Since Mosley and his brown shirts in the 40s

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't even remember that much about the 90s, even if i should as it was my teenage years. The machine that built me must've had a faulty section on data

Or it's because that's when all the good gaming/internets began.

 

[Edmond]

Not sure if this has been posted here before, but we watch this at work for a laugh, it makes me cry laughing everytime

'Keep going man, keep going...'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDrShPVCgzVIQ&v=x7WdvzITaLk

 

[Gwadien]

Through out the seventies and eighties and nineties I never saw the rise of the bnp Britain first and other nationalist groups. Even though we had recessions in each of them. Only in the last few years have you seen the likes of Nick griffin etc taken seriously. Since Mosley and his brown shirts in the 40s

National Front was a myth and so was the craze of Paki Bashing.

Trust me, Labour and the Tories can get us out of the shit, then everyone will forget about UKIP, if UKIP get into power they'll just use the scare mongering of immigration to push more and more policies to hide the fact that they won't be able to 'fix' the economy.

I have more respect for someone to vote for nationalist parties for xenophobic reasons, rather than economical impact that immigration has on the UK.

Because at least racists are actually achieving their goal, where as the latter are just digging their head in the sand.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I have more respect for someone to vote for nationalist parties for xenophobic reasons,

Adding 0 to 0 still makes it 0.

 

[Gwadien]

Adding 0 to 0 still makes it 0.

Yes, but xenophobes want immigrants out, which will be achieved whereas others want it to also magically fix the country.

Which it won't

 

[mooSe_]

http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=B...eo2=ocIn4GcyMa4&start2=15&authorName=kjeksogi

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes, but xenophobes want immigrants out, which will be achieved whereas others want it to also magically fix the country.

Which it won't

Are you saying that people who want "foreign" people out of the country because they're foreign, are better then those who want them out because they ruin the country?

I think i can get behind that. Xenophobes don't necessarily blame the problems on foreigners. Yea, it's 0 respect still, but the others might be at a 0 minus 1 towards contempt even

Oh and while i'm here @BloodOmen 250$ to sleep with that? Any day

 

[Gwadien]

Are you saying that people who want "foreign" people out of the country because they're foreign, are better then those who want them out because they ruin the country?

I think i can get behind that. Xenophobes don't necessarily blame the problems on foreigners. Yea, it's 0 respect still, but the others might be at a 0 minus 1 towards contempt even

Oh and while i'm here @BloodOmen 250$ to sleep with that? Any day

Nope, I'm saying their reasoning is more or less justified, because they're achieved what they wanted to, the people that want immigrants out because it'll magically fix the shit state of the country are stupid.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh, then no. Can't agree with that, nothing justified about it.

 

[TdC]

http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=B...eo2=ocIn4GcyMa4&start2=15&authorName=kjeksogi

I have SUUUUUUCH an urge to change Toh's title to No-No-Homo now