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[Jupitus]

Awwwwwwww!!! Cute!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-30194531

Heart-warming one for once

 

[sayward]

O2 coverage here is non existent. Communicated with them at length. Final Answer; oh well if it's always like that it is not a fault it has to be coverage!
Me; Well then why does it say on all your info that this postcode has full coverage?

 

[Edmond]

I bet houses with people that have peanut allergies don't have them

Yep, you wouldn't find it my house, if you did it would be next to my epipens

 

[Moriath]

Yep, you wouldn't find it my house, if you did it would be next to my epipens

lol I guess you have to be real careful going round people's houses fitting stuff as well then. Never even thought to tell you I smeared my windows with peanuts

 

[Edmond]

lol I guess you have to be real careful going round people's houses fitting stuff as well then. Never even thought to tell you I smeared my windows with peanuts

I never told you I smear every new window we fit with my rancid cock

 

[Scouse]

Thats one side of the story, the other side of the story is that he was a scumbag who had been out on the rob and tried to grab the policeman's gun while being arrested and it went off in the struggle.

Apart from the "hands up - don't shoot" protests - because witnesses say he was backing off with his hands up when he was shot.

 

[Raven]

Ah, you mean the witnesses who have been proved to have been lying via physical evidence?


There are two sides to the story, we only know what the (desperate for news, any news) news corps tell us.

 

[megadave]

If you read all the witness transcripts it's quite obvious that he definitely didn't hold his hands up and did in fact go for the cop. Still think the USA is mental in how they think that's reason enough to shoot someone to death.

 

[Raven]

If they didn't have so many guns then this sort of shit wouldn't happen but the horse is long gone and died in a ditch somewhere.

 

[Moriath]

I never told you I smear every new window we fit with my rancid cock

That's why the guy fell out of the tree. He saw you doing that. Lol

 

[Scouse]

If they didn't have so many guns then this sort of shit wouldn't happen but the horse is long gone and died in a ditch somewhere.

I'm pretty sure the physical evidence showed he was unarmed.

So much for all the calls to arm our cops tho eh?

 

[Raven]

Er, he tried to get the gun from the cop and it went off, he died. Boo hoo.

Where did I imply I thought our cops should be armed?

 

[Scouse]

Sorry if it came across that I tried to imply you supported armed cops in the UK - it's just something that's been a subject on the forums before so I figured I'd mention it...

Anyway:

Er, he tried to get the gun from the cop and it went off TWELVE TIMES he died. Boo hoo.

Fixed for ya m8.


Gun accidentally went off twelve times, leaving one empty round in the thirteen round barrel. Boo hoo eh?

 

[caLLous]

Also, the thing with the 12yo is dodgy as fuck. He reportedly didn't raise his hands (or lay on the ground, one or the other) but he also didn't pull the gun out of his pocket (somebody had previously seen him with it and rang the police) and he didn't point it at anybody, least of the all the cops. I get that it was weapons grade stupid to take a toy gun and wave it around but he did not deserve to die because of it.

 

[Bodhi]

Frankly, if you try and steal a gun from a cop in the States you are a fucking retard and deserve everything you get. Especially if you've leant into a police car window to try to get it.

 

[Scouse]

Oh fucking lol!

The medical investigator took no photos

The medical investigator did not take photographs at the scene of Brown's killing because the camera battery had died, the grand jury heard.

The investigator, who goes to the crime scene to collect evidence for the pathologist, also did not take measurements of anything at the scene because they "didn't need to."

@Raven & @Bodhi - if this was in the UK there's no way we'd be believing what the cops are saying on this one, or the judicial process.

Truth's not come out here. The "physical evidence" could clearly have been made up by cops covering each others arses.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't really care any more then i do about the 10k other people with gun related crimes. Be it a cop, a gang member, home mother, stressed out teacher. Same deal. I'm not going to pretend to care about this kid more because the "popo" is the triggerman because honestly it doesn't matter. If you want to really argue about something, argue about guncrimes in general. Personal stories are way too easy to get behind due to heartstrings.

 

[Raven]

Oh fucking lol!



@Raven & @Bodhi - if this was in the UK there's no way we'd be believing what the cops are saying on this one, or the judicial process.

Truth's not come out here. The "physical evidence" could clearly have been made up by cops covering each others arses.

Yet you have managed to establish guilt, it is not the job of the court to prove innocence but to prove guilt, if there is not enough evidence either way then how on earth can they find him guilty?

I am not close to the case so don't know either way (and probably don't actually care) but there is little evidence of guilt...or at least little evidence of guilt has been presented to the public.

 

[Scouse]

Yet you have managed to establish guilt, it is not the job of the court to prove innocence but to prove guilt, if there is not enough evidence either way then how on earth can they find him guilty?

It wasn't a court - they convened a grand jury m8. They deliberated over whether to indict him - and chose not to.

But look at the statistics for grand juries - in 2010 grand juries looked at ~162,000 cases and declined to return an indictment in just eleven - so just one in more than 14,500 cases.

Yet we all knew what the outcome of this would be ahead of time. Cops very rarely get forced into a trial for killing black people - because they're the guys responsible for gathering evidence against themselves.

But "lol - no camera battery - it ran out! (and evidently, therefore, no mobile phone??)" - "no, we didn't need to take measurements". Eleven shots fired - the first two whilst the lad was allegedly leaning into the car (one bullet found in a seat), but then the rest fired separately, at a distance - and his body found 156 feet away from where the shots were fired from, apparently.


Despite this - I'm not presuming guilt. But this definitely should have gone to court. 100%. There is clearly a broken process in America that is designed solely to protect (increasingly militarised) cops from prosecution.

The law is an ass.

 

[Bodhi]

Of course it was a process issue - nothing to do with the fact the guy was a violent thug who attacked a police officer. Pretty much any law abiding citizen in the US will tell you that's a fucking stupid idea.

From he verified witness statements I have read, he deserved all he got - he had several screws loose and thought charging at an officer with his gun drawn was a good idea. It was only due to the size of the guy it took 10 shots to drop him.

Sounds fair enough to me tbh.

 

[DaGaffer]

It wasn't a court - they convened a grand jury m8. They deliberated over whether to indict him - and chose not to.

But look at the statistics for grand juries - in 2010 grand juries looked at ~162,000 cases and declined to return an indictment in just eleven - so just one in more than 14,500 cases.

Yet we all knew what the outcome of this would be ahead of time. Cops very rarely get forced into a trial for killing black people - because they're the guys responsible for gathering evidence against themselves.

But "lol - no camera battery - it ran out! (and evidently, therefore, no mobile phone??)" - "no, we didn't need to take measurements". Eleven shots fired - the first two whilst the lad was allegedly leaning into the car (one bullet found in a seat), but then the rest fired separately, at a distance - and his body found 156 feet away from where the shots were fired from, apparently.


Despite this - I'm not presuming guilt. But this definitely should have gone to court. 100%. There is clearly a broken process in America that is designed solely to protect (increasingly militarised) cops from prosecution.

The law is an ass.

The whole American criminal justice system is broken from top to bottom; the police (look at the civil forfeiture process, or the militarisation - there are school district police with APCs for fucks sake), the judiciary, and the prisons (which have basically reintroduced slavery). All really fucked.

 

[old.user4556]

 

[Scouse]

Sounds fair enough to me tbh.

Well, you are the sort of person who'll believe their intrinsic guilt on the basis of no trial whatsoever.

So, fair enough, I guess.

 

[TdC]

weapons grade stupid to take a toy gun

Only in 'Murica. Tbh a 12yo with a toy gun sounds way more natural than

If you read all the witness transcripts it's quite obvious that he definitely didn't hold his hands up and did in fact go for the cop.

a 12yo "going for" a police man.

 

[Bodhi]

Well, you are the sort of person who'll believe their intrinsic guilt on the basis of no trial whatsoever.

So, fair enough, I guess.

Pretty sure that's what you've just done with the officer in question

 

[caLLous]

Only in 'Murica. Tbh a 12yo with a toy gun sounds way more natural than



a 12yo "going for" a police man.

Two different cases, dear. The 12yo was waving a toy gun around in a playground and was shot (and later died in hospital) and @megadave was talking about Michael Brown in Ferguson.

I still think the first case (12yo) is disgusting. There are surely ways of shooting somebody (especially a kid ffs) that will immobilise them (or stun them long enough to get to them and disarm them) that aren't fatal.

 

[Scouse]

Pretty sure that's what you've just done with the officer in question

Despite this - I'm not presuming guilt. But this definitely should have gone to court. 100%.

...just wanted a trial to find out.

You know? A trial. Other than by media.

 

[TdC]

looooooooooooooooool

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-bad-hotel-review-charged-blackpool-broadway

 

[caLLous]

I mean, if it was clearly stated in their terms and conditions then it's pretty open and shut breach of contract isn't it? People will rightly vote with their feet and not go there though, because of the bad review and because of this policy.

 

[Gwadien]

Frankly, I think the whole Ferguson thing is much like what happened in London, its using that single example to vent persecution of the black minority in America, which does happen, much like it happens in the UK.

The problem is though that give it a few days and it'll be over and nothing will have changed and the vast majority of those who claimed to have given a fuck will just get on with their lives.