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Gwadien

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Actually, up to the second to last paragraph, I kind of agreed with her. Then it just turned into an indoctrination session.
Aye, that's the issue with feminists, but thankfully I added Marxists into the mix so I'm not a misogynist, you misogynist.
 

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Does that look like accepting the result to you?

Accept the result of the referendum - fair enough - not accept it and shut the fuck up.

At the end of the day - democracy is supposed to be about representing the will of the people. If the will of the people changes, then the democratic landscape changes.

If the majority of scotland wants to remain part of the union then then SNP can stage as many votes as they like - as long as more people vote stay, then there's nothing to fear from democracy in action, right?
 

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Accept the result of the referendum - fair enough - not accept it and shut the fuck up.

At the end of the day - democracy is supposed to be about representing the will of the people. If the will of the people changes, then the democratic landscape changes.

If the majority of scotland wants to remain part of the union then then SNP can stage as many votes as they like - as long as more people vote stay, then there's nothing to fear from democracy in action, right?
Costing millions each time. There is a time when they need to shut the fuck up about it for a while and try in twenty years time or more. Not run a champaign ever year till they wear the populous down.

That's not value for money government.
 

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Costing millions each time. There is a time when they need to shut the fuck up about it for a while and try in twenty years time or more. Not run a champaign ever year till they wear the populous down.

That's not value for money government.

That's democracy, what you're proposing isn't democracy.

If they said to the SNP 'Right you can try a referendum, but you're banned for a 100 years if you fail' that's not democracy.
 

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There is a time when they need to shut the fuck up about it.

dictionary said:
democracy
1. a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

Permanent campaigning is part of a healthy functioning democracy.

It was only the current vested interests who've been attempting to reframe the exercise of public will with artificial time limits (i.e. place restrictions on the freedom of the electoral system) - because they stand to lose power if the electorate (i.e. the public) decide that they want to vote them out.

Like I said earlier - the job of a democracy is to exercise the will of the people - not put artificial limits on it. If the will of the people changes then the political landscape should change.

MORE voting is needed, not less.
 

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But people voted in the last one on the basis that it was the 'last chance for a generation'.

So they were misinformed by the, to coin your phrase Scouse, butt hurt party that lost.
 

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But people voted in the last one on the basis that it was the 'last chance for a generation'.

So they were misinformed by the, to coin your phrase Scouse, butt hurt party that lost.
You're right, we should have elections every 50 years as well, to save money.
 

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But people voted in the last one on the basis that it was the 'last chance for a generation'.

So they were misinformed by the, to coin your phrase Scouse, butt hurt party that lost.

To be fair they didn't have a choice.

However, Fishface agreed to stfu about it regardless of result yet still he is banging his tired old drum to a ever decreasing audience.
 

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To be fair they didn't have a choice.

However, Fishface agreed to stfu about it regardless of result yet still he is banging his tired old drum to a ever decreasing audience.

Yet the SNP are still in power, as I said before, it's their socialist policies that makes them attractive to so many, not just the nationalism.
 

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Yet the SNP are still in power, as I said before, it's their socialist policies that makes them attractive to so many, not just the nationalism.
Well to be fair there hasn't been an election since. But without their split policy, they do campaign a lot on more powers without a split too.
 

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Anyone want to buy any paint?!

Just had a delivery of some equipment, other goods on the truck were around 500 25 litre pots of magnolia paint, most splint and currently leaking all over our loading area and car park.

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Just watched Vincent..cheesy feel good movie but Bill Murray at his best.
 

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That's democracy, what you're proposing isn't democracy.

If they said to the SNP 'Right you can try a referendum, but you're banned for a 100 years if you fail' that's not democracy.
Where's my democratic say in "that's a waste of fucking money that could be going on medical care"
 

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Yet the SNP are still in power, as I said before, it's their free stuff paid for by the magic money tree that makes them attractive to so many, not just the nationalism.

Fixed that for you. Mainly as most of their "socialist" policies end up benefiting the rich, not the poor. Things like how those who need them get free prescriptions down here, in Scotland, everyone gets them.
 

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Fixed that for you. Mainly as most of their "socialist" policies end up benefiting the rich, not the poor

Yeah. Like free higher education man. It's a fucking disgrace that you don't have to get into 9 grand a year debt for the privilege of going to Uni eh?!
 

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Yeah. Like free higher education man. It's a fucking disgrace that you don't have to get into 9 grand a year debt for the privilege of going to Uni eh?!
But it's not means tested in any way meaning millionaires and peasants get it. Why shouldn't those who can subsidise those who can't. Then there's more money to go around for those who can't. So they can be subsidised for more things.
 

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Yeah. Like free higher education man. It's a fucking disgrace that you don't have to get into 9 grand a year debt for the privilege of going to Uni eh?!

A benefit more likely to be used by the rich, who can afford all the other costs that come with going to Uni.
 

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But it's not means tested in any way meaning millionaires and peasants get it. Why shouldn't those who can subsidise those who can't. Then there's more money to go around for those who can't. So they can be subsidised for more things.
Don't agree @Gwadien ? Not socialist enough?
 

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Don't agree @Gwadien ? Not socialist enough?

Since there's countries in Europe who pay you to go to University, and that's everyone, not just the elites, and we also have a history of paying poorer students to go on legitimate courses, yeah, I think it's perfectly fine.

Obviously the capitalist-education system to tempt the dumber students to do mickey-mouse students to pay for extensions to tempt Chinese students is fantastic, and not actually educating the skeptical smarter students about the £56k debt that they'll be in.

Yeah, you know what, it's fine.
 

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But it's not means tested in any way meaning millionaires and peasants get it.

As opposed to England where nobody gets it.

If you had to pick one imperfect system over the other then Scotland's is clearly the better - especially since the economics of our system aren't adding up.

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So what if a tiny number of overprivileged get pissup money that they'd never even notice - measure that against tens of thousands who don't have to saddle themselves with, to them, serious levels of debt for the bulk of their working lives, just for the 'privilege' of contributing their much-needed intellect and skills to our economy...
 

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