The new trend?

[Tay]

basing it on something called common sense and common decency .. things which u lack

So, what your saying is that you did not base you statements on anything other than you warped sense of self righteousness.

No Facts
No People you can quote
Nothing

grats

 

[Tay]

casual gamer isnt somone who plays everday

Says you who has been thwarted in every feable direction you have attempted to move this discussion.

Thwarted by common sense and fact, nothing more.

 

[Tay]

And what the hell is your arguement based on .. facts ???????????

this is boring me .. noone has any facts here .. an arguemnt is based on opinions .. if there was facts there would be no arguement. My opinion is that the casual gamer (my version of the casual gamer) has it hard in this game. Hard in the fact that it is hard for him/her to enjoy themselves .. they cant compete in RvR .. they havent got the time to do all there mls and artifacts are hard for them to get. For me this is bad for the game because imo ToA was a very bad move by mythic. What I dont want to see is daoc dying and everyone leaving for another more enjoyable game .. so imo I think people should make it as easy as possible for members of our own realm to do well and part of this imo is to leave artifact encounters alone unless you need the artifact for youself. Thats al I have to say about it really... but tbh seeing the attitude of other people makes me think whats the point so i really dont give a shit anymore and Im not posting on this topic anymore because there is nothing else useful to be said

Several things to note here.

1. This is YOUR opinion now, something you have tried hard over the last few pages to suggest is fact.

2. IMHO if people cant find the time to get an artifact for themselves through the normal means (Sometimes waiting, sometimes checking to see if its up) how on earth are they going to level the damn thing?

3. The original comments by Pin were spot on, people getting artifacts when they are up will simply aid them in thier quest for artifacts, you will have more chance of getting credit for an popular artifact then buying it than waiting ages for something like SOM to pop and gathering the people to do it. (For all I know the overpriced artifacts may have been farmed out of the prime time daoc, I'm not going to guess)

4. There is no point YOU posting anymore that I agree

 

[Taen]

actually, most of my arguments are simply just contradicting the points that you have tried to make. artifacts are easy to get if you know what your doing and put the time in and are capable of killing the mob if need be. this is a fact. as it has been proven in practise.

you saying that casual gamers have it hard in this game in terms of artifacts is not a fact, it is an assumtion based on your opinion. people make the game as hard as they want directly by the amount of time they spend in it. so if mr joe bloggs who plays 20 mins a week, we should try and accommodate his 20 mins by leaving an artifact encounter up for him? whereas the artifact may benefit someone who actually plays a more active role in the economy? hell, if the artifact is farmed enough, itll be on a consignment merchant whenever joe bloggs wants it, and he doesnt have to spend more than 20 mins getting it either! wheres the problem there?

listen its been proven many times in parctice that artifacts are hard to get .. I didnt find it easy to get any of my artifacts .. Who says it is easy .. you .. so that makes it a fact ... other people say it is easy to get them .. so that makes it a fact ???? I say it is not easy to get them .. is that a fact ... other people say that it is not easy and artifacts are down always .. does that make it a fact ???????? so you are contradicting my opinions with your facts. you say casual gamers dont have it hard in this game .. i say they do .. which is a fact ... oh I forgot .. what you say is a fact isnt it .. please try and use your brain .. im fuckin sick of idiots posting b4 they think ... I have a point based on my reasoning, what i have heard from other people irl and ingame, and from what I have experienced in game myself. You have your OPINION based on your knowledge of the game ... our opinions differ .. neither of us have any FACTS. Therefore I cannot win this arguement and neither can you. I posted because stupidly enough I like to give other people in this game a chance .. I dont agree with the practice of farming artifacts for cash and selling them at ridiculous prices .. thats is my opinion. I have valid reasons for this which I have stated earlier .. I am entitled to my opinion .. you are entitled to your opinion .. people who do this are not breaking the CoC so they can do it as much as they want. I was concerned with the FACT that there are a lot of people who find it very difficult to get their artifacts. They said the encounters are usually down or camped. This is not a fact it is hearsay .. i have no proof but people have no reason to lie to me .. END OF STORY. So now that we know that your facts are bullshit and my opinions have the same merit as your opinions and neither of us can win this arguement because neither of us have PROOF, can we actually drop this pointless arguement ?

Tay you are just too fucking dumb to even bother arguing with anymore .. try and read some posts b4 you repeat your stupidity.

 

[Coim]

What a pointless thread.

 

[Gorbash]

listen its been proven many times in parctice that artifacts are hard to get .. I didnt find it easy to get any of my artifacts .. Who says it is easy .. you .. so that makes it a fact ... other people say it is easy to get them .. so that makes it a fact ???? I say it is not easy to get them .. is that a fact ... other people say that it is not easy and artifacts are down always .. does that make it a fact ???????? so you are contradicting my opinions with your facts. you say casual gamers dont have it hard in this game .. i say they do .. which is a fact ... oh I forgot .. what you say is a fact isnt it .. please try and use your brain .. im fuckin sick of idiots posting b4 they think ... I have a point based on my reasoning, what i have heard from other people irl and ingame, and from what I have experienced in game myself. You have your OPINION based on your knowledge of the game ... our opinions differ .. neither of us have any FACTS. Therefore I cannot win this arguement and neither can you. I posted because stupidly enough I like to give other people in this game a chance .. I dont agree with the practice of farming artifacts for cash and selling them at ridiculous prices .. thats is my opinion. I have valid reasons for this which I have stated earlier .. I am entitled to my opinion .. you are entitled to your opinion .. people who do this are not breaking the CoC so they can do it as much as they want. I was concerned with the FACT that there are a lot of people who find it very difficult to get their artifacts. They said the encounters are usually down or camped. This is not a fact it is hearsay .. i have no proof but people have no reason to lie to me .. END OF STORY. So now that we know that your facts are bullshit and my opinions have the same merit as your opinions and neither of us can win this arguement because neither of us have PROOF, can we actually drop this pointless arguement ?

Tay you are just too fucking dumb to even bother arguing with anymore .. try and read some posts b4 you repeat your stupidity.

1. please enligten me as to which artifacts you found difficult to get. cos funnily enough, some are SUPPOSED to be difficult to get, so i just want to be clear on our definitions here. others i can quite easily forward you a link to a page that tells you how to do them efficently and with relative ease. if finding the artifact mob is not active at the time is the problem, then you can always wait for a spawn if you want the artifact that badly. this doesnt just apply to the 'casual gamers', it applys to every person that wants the thing.

2. there are documented steps showing how to do an artifact encounter easily, which works in practice. i find this factual evidence of my prior claims.

3. i merely pointed out that your 'casual gamers have it hard' comment had no valid backing to it, and my retort was that i suggested that 'casual gamers' made the game as hard as they wanted it to be for themselves. they decide thier own level of involvement. if they can only spend an hour a night in the game, but want 10 hours of playtime in that hour, then obviously they are making it hard for themselves, but on the other side of the scale if said set of gamers can play for an hour every night, but only really do stuff that takes up 45 mins, then i think they will have a nice easy time of it. everyone does not fall under the same category.

basically if someone cant commit to the level of involvement required by this game, and yet still WANT it, then bloody right they are gonna have a hard time, but thats THIER fault for choosing to play the game in the first place, dont try to blame the game dynamics for it.

3. i think that your failing to see that people selling artifacts is giving those that cant afford the time to farm the thing themselves a chance to have it. this is why i continue this discussion, because you are simply ruling it out when it obviously has a purpose which actually CONFORMS to your argument, which is that artifact farmers may be helping out or 'giving them a chance' as you put it.

Lastly. please dont call me an idiot, it only lowers your credibility in an argument, and insults are the first sign of weakness. i think very carefully before writing these posts, and try to express them with as little personal insulting to you as possible, after all, its just a discussion.

you ARE entitled to your opinion in this matter, as am i, and since i seem to have no effect on influencing that opinion to what i believe is a better one, i shall just agree to disagree if you wish.

Thanks for the nice discussion mate

 

[Bluejawa]

Pin

 

[Tay]

listen its been proven many times in parctice that artifacts are hard to get .. I didnt find it easy to get any of my artifacts .. Who says it is easy .. you .. so that makes it a fact ... other people say it is easy to get them .. so that makes it a fact ???? I say it is not easy to get them .. is that a fact ... other people say that it is not easy and artifacts are down always .. does that make it a fact ???????? so you are contradicting my opinions with your facts. you say casual gamers dont have it hard in this game .. i say they do .. which is a fact ... oh I forgot .. what you say is a fact isnt it .. please try and use your brain .. im fuckin sick of idiots posting b4 they think ... I have a point based on my reasoning, what i have heard from other people irl and ingame, and from what I have experienced in game myself. You have your OPINION based on your knowledge of the game ... our opinions differ .. neither of us have any FACTS. Therefore I cannot win this arguement and neither can you. I posted because stupidly enough I like to give other people in this game a chance .. I dont agree with the practice of farming artifacts for cash and selling them at ridiculous prices .. thats is my opinion. I have valid reasons for this which I have stated earlier .. I am entitled to my opinion .. you are entitled to your opinion .. people who do this are not breaking the CoC so they can do it as much as they want. I was concerned with the FACT that there are a lot of people who find it very difficult to get their artifacts. They said the encounters are usually down or camped. This is not a fact it is hearsay .. i have no proof but people have no reason to lie to me .. END OF STORY. So now that we know that your facts are bullshit and my opinions have the same merit as your opinions and neither of us can win this arguement because neither of us have PROOF, can we actually drop this pointless arguement ?

Tay you are just too fucking dumb to even bother arguing with anymore .. try and read some posts b4 you repeat your stupidity.

Back so soon ?

but tbh seeing the attitude of other people makes me think whats the point so i really dont give a shit anymore and Im not posting on this topic anymore because there is nothing else useful to be said

You have already said you want bother replying, I guess your just too fucking stupid to take your own advice.

I read my posts, pity your too stupid to do that, but then again you have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you have nothing but contempt for peoples' right to play this game as they chose (within the CoC), you also seem to think I give a shit about your pitifull existence or your inability to hold a reasoned discussion.

Don't bother to reply, but I know your type...

 

[Tay]

What a pointless thread.

Same person?

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=11764

 

[Matmardigan]

didnt reed the whole Threat but buying/selling Artefacts is ok imo but NOT 4 insane Prices

15p 4 Crocodiles Tooth Dagger
20p 4 Battler
50p 4 Guard of Valor

Dunno who r the guys which selling this but its the Best Prove that ppl Campin Spots just 2 satisfy there Greed

No Artefact should Cost more than 5p

Cause they are always available.

edit:

4got the Scrolls

8p 4 Louka's Journal 3of3
10p Battler Book
30p 4 Shades of Mist Book

Ppl which selling iteams 4 this Prices should get FUCKED in there Asses

 

[Marc]

People pay this game and should play the way they want without having to worry about people crying and whining about it. As long as the artifact is obtained without fraud and cheating being invloved what is the problem with that? All of Pin's posts have been spot on but it seems to me that people like Gorre and Crimson are purposely ignoring it, why I dont know. Because they know they are wrong? Personal Vendetta? Jealousy? Who knows but all they are acheiving is making themselves look silly in the community's eyes. As pin says, If hes in a group of friends and they see an encounter up they will take it and pass the artifact to someone that needs it. THAT IS HIS MAIN POINT! And what is wrong with that???? Nothing of course, but the muppets dont seem to be able to see that.

Point. If u spent the same amount of time into TRYING to get the artifacts you want as you do with crying, whining and spitting your dummies out, you would all have your level 10 artifacts by now.

 

[Marc]

What a pointless thread.

What a pointless post.

FO back to Off topic.

 

[Coim]

Same person?

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=11764

Lol, no. I don't play DAoC anymore, but when I did char was Coim. Only play Mkay on CoH.

 

[Coim]

What a pointless post.

FO back to Off topic.

Because 9 pages of arguing about the definition of communism or whatever is mucho interesting and helpful, oh yes it is.

 

[Marc]

Because 9 pages of arguing about the definition of communism or whatever is mucho interesting and helpful, oh yes it is.

And talking a load of utter shite on off topic is?

Such double standars tbh

 

[Coim]

And talking a load of utter shite on off topic is?

Such double standars tbh

You're thinking of BW.

I hardly post that much anymore - nothing like what I used to.

 

[Taen]

1. please enligten me as to which artifacts you found difficult to get. cos funnily enough, some are SUPPOSED to be difficult to get, so i just want to be clear on our definitions here. others i can quite easily forward you a link to a page that tells you how to do them efficently and with relative ease. if finding the artifact mob is not active at the time is the problem, then you can always wait for a spawn if you want the artifact that badly. this doesnt just apply to the 'casual gamers', it applys to every person that wants the thing.

2. there are documented steps showing how to do an artifact encounter easily, which works in practice. i find this factual evidence of my prior claims.

3. i merely pointed out that your 'casual gamers have it hard' comment had no valid backing to it, and my retort was that i suggested that 'casual gamers' made the game as hard as they wanted it to be for themselves. they decide thier own level of involvement. if they can only spend an hour a night in the game, but want 10 hours of playtime in that hour, then obviously they are making it hard for themselves, but on the other side of the scale if said set of gamers can play for an hour every night, but only really do stuff that takes up 45 mins, then i think they will have a nice easy time of it. everyone does not fall under the same category.

basically if someone cant commit to the level of involvement required by this game, and yet still WANT it, then bloody right they are gonna have a hard time, but thats THIER fault for choosing to play the game in the first place, dont try to blame the game dynamics for it.

3. i think that your failing to see that people selling artifacts is giving those that cant afford the time to farm the thing themselves a chance to have it. this is why i continue this discussion, because you are simply ruling it out when it obviously has a purpose which actually CONFORMS to your argument, which is that artifact farmers may be helping out or 'giving them a chance' as you put it.

Lastly. please dont call me an idiot, it only lowers your credibility in an argument, and insults are the first sign of weakness. i think very carefully before writing these posts, and try to express them with as little personal insulting to you as possible, after all, its just a discussion.

you ARE entitled to your opinion in this matter, as am i, and since i seem to have no effect on influencing that opinion to what i believe is a better one, i shall just agree to disagree if you wish.

Thanks for the nice discussion mate

When you tell me that that I have no valid reasons for my opinions but that your opinions are facts that is what I call idiocy and self contradicting. I have done nearly every artifact in ToA and I can tell you that even 2fg of high rr players can easily get wiped. VoS doesnt mean shit for some artifacts and you would know that if you had done them. I would have no problem with buying battler for a 1plat but I would have a problem paying 10plat for it. The market economy arguement doesnt hold any weight when ridiculous prices are beeen charged. Amount of people that need Battler > amount battlers that have been activated. It will take a long time for prices to drop to a reasonable lvl as ToA isnt out that long and Battler can only be farmed so many times in day. So we have a dilemma where people who genuinely need the artifact and cant afford to buy it have competition from people who dont need it and sell it for cash at crazy prices. This in my opinion is unfair but there is nothing in the CoC about it so these people can do whatever the hell they want. Imo this behaviour is lame as it makes life harder for the average dude in this game who wants get done with this ToA shit like everybody else. Thats all my opinion is clear and simple.

 

[Gorbash]

When you tell me that that I have no valid reasons for my opinions but that your opinions are facts that is what I call idiocy and self contradicting. I have done nearly every artifact in ToA and I can tell you that even 2fg of high rr players can easily get wiped. VoS doesnt mean shit for some artifacts and you would know that if you had done them. I would have no problem with buying battler for a 1plat but I would have a problem paying 10plat for it. The market economy arguement doesnt hold any weight when ridiculous prices are beeen charged. Amount of people that need Battler > amount battlers that have been activated. It will take a long time for prices to drop to a reasonable lvl as ToA isnt out that long and Battler can only be farmed so many times in day. So we have a dilemma where people who genuinely need the artifact and cant afford to buy it have competition from people who dont need it and sell it for cash at crazy prices. This in my opinion is unfair but there is nothing in the CoC about it so these people can do whatever the hell they want. Imo this behaviour is lame as it makes life harder for the average dude in this game who wants get done with this ToA shit like everybody else. Thats all my opinion is clear and simple.

actually, im saying you have no valid argument. an argument is generally based on facts. your opinions in this case are irrelevant. on a side note i totally agree that people that charge rediculous prices are quite insane, but i can tell you that noone is equally insane enough to buy em . i wont bother repeating what pin has already said in this threat about this scenario

lastly, i think youve gone off the scope of the argument by saying that certain artifacts are difficult to get because of the way they need to be obtained (i.e. 2fg or summat), because its difficult for everyone, not just mr.joe bloggs casual gamer. Battler was probably a bad choice for a reference, because anyone can do it practically any time if they can gather the required numbers, which is the problem, not the fact that its never up and noone has a chance at it.

anyway, gotta dash, off to me dads to get fed, rah!

toodles

 

[Tay]

didnt reed the whole Threat but buying/selling Artefacts is ok imo but NOT 4 insane Prices

15p 4 Crocodiles Tooth Dagger
20p 4 Battler
50p 4 Guard of Valor

Dunno who r the guys which selling this but its the Best Prove that ppl Campin Spots just 2 satisfy there Greed

No Artefact should Cost more than 5p

Cause they are always available.

edit:

4got the Scrolls

8p 4 Louka's Journal 3of3
10p Battler Book
30p 4 Shades of Mist Book

Ppl which selling iteams 4 this Prices should get FUCKED in there Asses

And people that buy for that price should get the same....too expensive dont buy, but some people have more gold than sense.

 

[Tay]

When you tell me that that I have no valid reasons for my opinions but that your opinions are facts that is what I call idiocy and self contradicting. I have done nearly every artifact in ToA and I can tell you that even 2fg of high rr players can easily get wiped. VoS doesnt mean shit for some artifacts and you would know that if you had done them. I would have no problem with buying battler for a 1plat but I would have a problem paying 10plat for it. The market economy arguement doesnt hold any weight when ridiculous prices are beeen charged. Amount of people that need Battler > amount battlers that have been activated. It will take a long time for prices to drop to a reasonable lvl as ToA isnt out that long and Battler can only be farmed so many times in day. So we have a dilemma where people who genuinely need the artifact and cant afford to buy it have competition from people who dont need it and sell it for cash at crazy prices. This in my opinion is unfair but there is nothing in the CoC about it so these people can do whatever the hell they want. Imo this behaviour is lame as it makes life harder for the average dude in this game who wants get done with this ToA shit like everybody else. Thats all my opinion is clear and simple.

Battler can be killed around 7-10 times a day, yet there is only 1-2 Battlers on the market, and guess what, they are the over priced ones, if they want to keep those prices then fine, doesnt bother me in the slightest, nor should it bother you that 2 differant people have the same artifact for a rediculous price on a CM, what it tells me is that Battler is being killed 9And people are getting the arti) or that nobody is bothering to kil him.

I'd love to know how you know how many battlers have been activated, that is simply wild speculation.

The market economy argument is perfect, those people selling battler for 20p more than likely wont sell them, lets face it you gotta have more gold than sense to pay that money for them, but thats what it is all about, they simply wont sell them for that price. When they realise this the price will drop.

Meanwhile lots of people still have the oppoutunity day in and day out to get credit and get the artifact, battler aint hard unless he is the size of a truck, and there is ways around that too.

I had a look around on the CM's the other day and there was a Malice going for 30+ plat yet everytime I passed Malice that evening the encounter was up, we passed it no less than 5 times through the evening, each time it was there. so, to put it quite bluntly Malice was available for the taking all night yet somebody had it on a CM for an inflated amount.

Who is lame in this instance?

1. People being lazy not checking it?
2. The seller for having an atifact on for a stupid amount of money?
3. The casual gamer who cant get a group together for it or simply doesnt care about it?

The bottom line is THAT artifact was ready for the taking and nobody bothered with it, certainly prior to midnight when I went to bed.

 

[Taen]

actually, im saying you have no valid argument. an argument is generally based on facts. your opinions in this case are irrelevant. on a side note i totally agree that people that charge rediculous prices are quite insane, but i can tell you that noone is equally insane enough to buy em . i wont bother repeating what pin has already said in this threat about this scenario

lastly, i think youve gone off the scope of the argument by saying that certain artifacts are difficult to get because of the way they need to be obtained (i.e. 2fg or summat), because its difficult for everyone, not just mr.joe bloggs casual gamer. Battler was probably a bad choice for a reference, because anyone can do it practically any time if they can gather the required numbers, which is the problem, not the fact that its never up and noone has a chance at it.

anyway, gotta dash, off to me dads to get fed, rah!

toodles

Do you know what a fact is ? You do not have any facts at all. A fact is something that can be proven .. since both of our points can possibly be proven and both of them can be disproven, what we have is an arguement based on opinion. Show me some proof of your facts. Is because you experienced it or other people told you about it make it a fact ? I dont think so m8 .. I have a valid arguement .. you do not .. what makes me right and you wrong. Where are your facts and proof that make my argument invalid and yours valid. You cannot argue m8 .. telling me i have an invalid arguement with nothing other than your opinion to back it up .. thats just stupid m8 .. at least I can admit that you have a point and Im differing on a matter of opinion. Tbh like I said b4 do what you fucking like in this game because you are free to do what you like. I can think whatever the fuck I like about people who do what I disagree with in this game because I am free to. I cant change it but I can disagree. I didnt start this arguement and I wasnt trying to change anything .. Im just agreeing/diagreeing with other points of view.

 

[Taen]

Battler can be killed around 7-10 times a day, yet there is only 1-2 Battlers on the market, and guess what, they are the over priced ones, if they want to keep those prices then fine, doesnt bother me in the slightest, nor should it bother you that 2 differant people have the same artifact for a rediculous price on a CM, what it tells me is that Battler is being killed 9And people are getting the arti) or that nobody is bothering to kil him.

I'd love to know how you know how many battlers have been activated, that is simply wild speculation.

The market economy argument is perfect, those people selling battler for 20p more than likely wont sell them, lets face it you gotta have more gold than sense to pay that money for them, but thats what it is all about, they simply wont sell them for that price. When they realise this the price will drop.

Meanwhile lots of people still have the oppoutunity day in and day out to get credit and get the artifact, battler aint hard unless he is the size of a truck, and there is ways around that too.

I had a look around on the CM's the other day and there was a Malice going for 30+ plat yet everytime I passed Malice that evening the encounter was up, we passed it no less than 5 times through the evening, each time it was there. so, to put it quite bluntly Malice was available for the taking all night yet somebody had it on a CM for an inflated amount.

Who is lame in this instance?

1. People being lazy not checking it?
2. The seller for having an atifact on for a stupid amount of money?
3. The casual gamer who cant get a group together for it or simply doesnt care about it?

The bottom line is THAT artifact was ready for the taking and nobody bothered with it, certainly prior to midnight when I went to bed.

There are other artifacts in the game other than battler/malice .. what about maddening scalers .. its constantly camped etc etc. everybody has seen bots parked at different artifacts .. usually by people who dont need the artifact .. these are people that in my opinion can FO. ok ?

 

[Tay]

There are other artifacts in the game other than battler/malice .. what about maddening scalers .. its constantly camped etc etc. everybody has seen bots parked at different artifacts .. usually by people who dont need the artifact .. these are people that in my opinion can FO. ok ?

My point was those artifacts fetch the highest prices usually, and are frequently mentioned.

Just because a bot is parked at an artifact does not mean its camped, it means somebody is waiting for it to pop, it could be a group of casual gamers, it could be a guild group waiting, it could just be one man and his bot. Going by GOA's interpretation the encounter has not been started until the mob(s) have been pulled, I'm not going to argue the finer points of that little debate tho.

I'm not a magician, I dont read fortunes and can't tell the future nor can I tell whether a bot camping an artifact is a cash farming player or otherwise, I fail to see how you could possibly know that? Or are you guessing again?

I dont doubt it happens tho, but I would not speculate as to who does it and how often, it is simply not possible to guess either way.

If you know for sure then name them and shame them, and hope your actually right.

 

[Gorbash]

Do you know what a fact is ? You do not have any facts at all. A fact is something that can be proven .. since both of our points can possibly be proven and both of them can be disproven, what we have is an arguement based on opinion. Show me some proof of your facts. Is because you experienced it or other people told you about it make it a fact ? I dont think so m8 .. I have a valid arguement .. you do not .. what makes me right and you wrong. Where are your facts and proof that make my argument invalid and yours valid. You cannot argue m8 .. telling me i have an invalid arguement with nothing other than your opinion to back it up .. thats just stupid m8 .. at least I can admit that you have a point and Im differing on a matter of opinion. Tbh like I said b4 do what you fucking like in this game because you are free to do what you like. I can think whatever the fuck I like about people who do what I disagree with in this game because I am free to. I cant change it but I can disagree. I didnt start this arguement and I wasnt trying to change anything .. Im just agreeing/diagreeing with other points of view.

i think youll find that artifacts on consignment merchants is allowing mr casual gamer to get something he otherwise doesnt have time to get by conventional methods IS a fact. theres more available than just the one on the encounter. thats a fact.

cos thats the topic of this thread and my argument. not whether someone isnt capable of doing an encounter cos its not up, or cant meet its requirements (people, time etc)

i still say you have no valid argument

 

[Taen]

sigh .. no point

 

[Calaen]

Get a room!!!!!!

 

[Gorre]

http://boomeh.com/Life/daoc/prydwen/maddening_scalars.JPG
need i say more?

 

[Pin]

http://boomeh.com/Life/daoc/prydwen/maddening_scalars.JPG
need i say more?

Average market prices are a function of how much cash there is in the system, and therefore how much the average person can actually pay for something.

Hib/Pryd is a small realm, low population, little access to DF, and therefore little cash available for anything much. 1p there is worth more than 1p on Alb/Excal, so naturally prices there are lower than here, otherwise nothing would sell. Look at prices on Mid/Excal to see the flipside...
The other factor is that hib/Pryd has a smaller population, therefore lower demand for artifacts, therefore prices will be lower sooner.

But sure... go on claiming Alb/Excal is a rip-off, greedy, money-grabbing realm all you like.

 

[Gorre]

Average market prices are a function of how much cash there is in the system, and therefore how much the average person can actually pay for something.

Hib/Pryd is a small realm, low population, little access to DF, and therefore little cash available for anything much. 1p there is worth more than 1p on Alb/Excal, so naturally prices there are lower than here, otherwise nothing would sell. Look at prices on Mid/Excal to see the flipside...
The other factor is that hib/Pryd has a smaller population, therefore lower demand for artifacts, therefore prices will be lower sooner.

But sure... go on claiming Alb/Excal is a rip-off, greedy, money-grabbing realm all you like.

hehe didnt take you long to reply in the way i assumed you would

anyway there is a huge diffrence between 500g and 7P imho
and also at the end its still the ppl who define their prices, daoc aint a macro economic system.

 

[Pin]

anyway there is a huge diffrence between 500g and 7P imho

Well, of course there is. There's a huge difference between 1000 people in a realm at primetime and 200.

and also at the end its still the ppl who define their prices

Where 'the ppl' = 'the buyers'.

daoc aint a macro economic system.

Of course it is.

And if you care so much about Scalars, get a group, trigger the spawn, get the drop, stop whining.