The new trend?

[Rulke]

Personally I'm very thankful people are willing to do artifact encounters and then sell them on, I've bought many of the items I'm using on my skald now:

• Battler
• Band of shadow
• Shades of Mist
• Tg vest
• Scrolls by the bucketload
• Etc

The above would have taken me god knows how long to camp and given my luck in lottos (won 1 since ToA was released. RoG sword) it would have taken even longer to win them

I have farmed lots of artifacts that I have then sold on, giving me the cash to buy things I want. I have also farmed a great deal of items I have then given away to friends and guild members for free, or led many guild groups to get stuff for ourselves.

Enough rambling, my point is: If I had to farm every single item I needed for myself it would take months and months longer for me to get everything I needed. I imagine a great many people are in the same boat, not everyone can have a guild group to get their stuff but everyone can farm cash. If you want to farm items yourself that's your choice, but please dont expect others to waste months of their lives in the same way.

Suggesting, or in Crimson LoneWolf's case telling people to do it that way is just plain selfish and short-sighted. I've made this case before about people who used to complain about focus pulling in TG. Thanks to these few pullers there are now 100x more TG items in midgard than there would have been otherwise.

 

[Draylor]

Dont you farm artifacts and scrolls to sell them on your CM??

Irresepective of the cost, isnt that taking an artifact away from somebody that needs it?

Ignore Green, his title on guild forum isnt 'Master of Fail' for nothing

 

[Klonk]

What Pin and Turgon said...

If ppl cannot deal with the fact that daoc has a barter economy/market economy - then quit imo. You'll be disappointed every day ingame. I suggest you spend your hours getting some money, buy the artifact, and ask to join /bg when you see the needed encounter being planned/in progress. Most ppl will allow you this, even if you arrive late or don't belong to the guild group etc (just say you only want credit, not lotto for drop).

And what's with the "I care about all Albion as one realm" thing? As a roleplaying remark it is great, as a model of thought it is not too great. As in real life, you cannot love all ppl, the world is too big

And Crimson: are you deliberately denying to understand some of Pin's points, or is it that you just don't? Especially the bit about spawn time made me wonder. General consensus (maybe not among the TOA haters, but among the ones that spend time in TOA and think it's ok) is basically what Pin said. And as indicated by VoS and GOA, you can alter/affect the spawn time on some artifact mobs... ofc if you have bad luck, you can wait 10+ hours, but as Pin said, that doesn't mean it's a 10+ hour spawn time.. there is a difference there, dunno if you see it.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Ignore Green, his title on guild forum isnt 'Master of Fail' for nothing

rofl

well just FYI

I have farmed some scrolls with my wiz and since ToA was release I've gotten 60+pp(50+ from scrolls and 5+ from /salvage stuff and teh last from cash drop)

and I think if u spend some time with the right grps the right spots u will get the scrolls that is worth something and sell em

(sold some SoM books(3) with some friends after some farming for 10pp each they where gone after less then 30 mins ... and happend to be on another CM for 15pp ^^ now that is greed...but well...not much u can do when u try to dump the prices a bit )

 

[Rhirap]

basically the point isnt about whether or not items should be sold, its about people spending forever camping a spawn that someone else needs, purely to sell the item. tbh Pin, you might not be able to see it, but you are highly respected by a lot of players, people who dont even know you, that was my point about

ok so do you guys agree with pin because you are ass-licking and dont know Crimson, or because you actually believe what he is saying to be true.....

and another thing, cut the 'supply and demand' and the 'if you dont like it, dont buy it' crap....its just annoying...basically what your saying is 'dont start a conversation that i dont want to discuss' well how about 'if you dont like it, dont reply to it'? sound good? no? neither does that crappy 'dont like it, dont buy it' catchphrase. its not like crimson was asking what an economy is, he is just publicizing (sp) a point we have undoubtedly all considered at least once.

when someone says 'if you dont like it, dont buy it' they basically mean 'i dont want to discuss this' its kind of like saying 'keep your opinions to yourself'. just think how empty everything would be if everyone was to just keep their opinions to themselves. what i was trying to say was, if you are going to reply to things like this, have a valid reply, not just a stupid 'if you dont like it, dont buy it'. i probably should have started a new paragraph after that, but im not here for an english lesson, im just crap at formatting text hehe

Would a "stfu whining biatch, I wanna be able to buy stuff!" response to the initial post be closer to what was 'intended'?

tbh, yes i think so, me and crimson have been in about 100 of these debates since toa and its just the same thing over and over again...at the end of the day, its all opinions, its just swings and roundabouts, nobody will ever be proved right or wrong, and generally all that happens is a lot of people lose respect for eachother in the process.

dont take any of what i said personally, its still only a game, regardless of the rumors hehe

Cheers
Rhi

(and pick out some good bits too this time :touch:

 

[Greenfingers]

Please tell me, how trade is suppoed to be detrimental to Albion as a realm? It isn't. It is benefitial to the realm as a whole, because it encourages people to work for what they gain.
All that is happening is people are making exchanges of their time. Person A puts in time to farm gold, B puts in time to get an item. They exchange that time.

We all know that time is money, so I´ll try to make this short, direct and understandable for all.
Time can never be estimated in X amount of (RL)money in a game, except on E-Bay. And Pin, I think you got the exchanging of time wrong, Battler which someone tried to sell for 12p can be obtained by 1fg ... which means 12p / 8 ppl. Battler takes less then 30 mins to kill. 12P takes alot of time to get, even as a necro or scroll farming - alot more then 30 mins.
The amount of plats people wanna spend on getting an item is surely up to the individual player, but charging an insane price is DEFINATLY idiotic. This only reflects that Albion has come to a selfdestructive point, where noone really cares wheter we have the relics, keeps, DF or what ever... that is why I, and many others, have lowered their prices on scrolls, LGW components and so on. The prices were blown out of proportions in the first month of ToA, but things changed - to the benefit of all.

I'll presume 'a certain someone' is me, and ask how I am being more short-sighted than Lonewolf by saying that Communism is not generally a good idea in the long run?

Yes, Miss Marple... I was refering to you
You shouldn't use the word 'short-sighted', as I didn't in my above post. I wasn't refering to your discussion about Communism. Im against your oppinion of Albion being a bunch of selfcentered individuals only playing a game to obtain a certain amount of "respect" and money in-game. (I know U didn't say that, but U make your statements and post in a way that will make people either look bad or embaress them with your fancy phraseology and twisting other peoples words).

 

[Greenfingers]

Ignore Green, his title on guild forum isnt 'Master of Fail' for nothing

fo !

go spam off-topic or something !

 

[Greenfingers]

Dont you farm artifacts and scrolls to sell them on your CM??

Irresepective of the cost, isnt that taking an artifact away from somebody that needs it?

I got 2 artifacts on my CM for sale, Crown of Zahur 3pp, each. As Im the only one that have them for sale, and that they are SOO easy to get (can be done with 4peeps or so) then I have no idea when... or IF I'm ever gonna sell them.

 

[Pin]

basically the point isnt about whether or not items should be sold, its about people spending forever camping a spawn that someone else needs, purely to sell the item.

"Wtf is wrong with people these days? I'm seeing so many artifacts on CM's in housing and even more and more people selling artifacts on this forum."

Sounds like he's complaining about people selling artifacts to me.
But whatever, I have no problem with people spending hours camping a spot in order to sell the artifact. I'll happily buy it from him to save my time if I think the price is good.

when someone says 'if you dont like it, dont buy it' they basically mean 'i dont want to discuss this' its kind of like saying 'keep your opinions to yourself'.

That probably depends on the attitude you take when reading such posts.
Personally, I don't say "if you don't like it, don't buy it". I say "no thanks, I'll wait for another one to become available at a lower price point".

tbh, yes i think so, me and crimson have been in about 100 of these debates since toa and its just the same thing over and over again...at the end of the day, its all opinions, its just swings and roundabouts, nobody will ever be proved right or wrong, and generally all that happens is a lot of people lose respect for eachother in the process.

well, eta of a file transfer I'm waiting on is about another 65 minutes, so that level of response wouldn't have filled my time.

We all know that time is money, so I´ll try to make this short, direct and understandable for all.
Time can never be estimated in X amount of (RL)money in a game, except on E-Bay. And Pin, I think you got the exchanging of time wrong, Battler which someone tried to sell for 12p can be obtained by 1fg ... which means 12p / 8 ppl. Battler takes less then 30 mins to kill. 12P takes alot of time to get, even as a necro or scroll farming - alot more then 30 mins.
The amount of plats people wanna spend on getting an item is surely up to the individual player, but charging an insane price is DEFINATLY idiotic. This only reflects that Albion has come to a selfdestructive point, where noone really cares wheter we have the relics, keeps, DF or what ever... that is why I, and many others, have lowered their prices on scrolls, LGW components and so on. The prices were blown out of proportions in the first month of ToA, but things changed - to the benefit of all.

Of course time can be estimated in terms of money. Different people may put different value on their time, purely due to their ability to obtain money, but that doesn't mean it cannot be given a value.
For me? Well, I can farm about 2plat/hour in DF with my reaver+bb (plain diamond farming). Add my mate's pally and we can do a high lord run and farm chancellor ardramel (would farm chamberlain, but the CFH is a bitch) - and it's more fun doing this than sitting on my arse watching a mob spawn too
As for Battler, it takes more like an hour for a round-trip to get it (if you know it's up), but call it 4 man-hours if you like. Selling at 7-12p atm, so 2-3p per man-hour. Not too far away from what I can farm (without as much restriction on availability).

You shouldn't use the word 'short-sighted', as I didn't in my above post. I wasn't refering to your discussion about Communism. Im against your oppinion of Albion being a bunch of selfcentered individuals only playing a game to obtain a certain amount of "respect" and money in-game. (I know U didn't say that, but U make your statements and post in a way that will make people either look bad or embaress them with your fancy phraseology and twisting other peoples words).

You used the phrase "isn't looking beyond his own doorstep", which is the same thing as "short-sighted". And I believe it was Lonewolf attempting to twist words, not myself.
And I do not have the opinion that Albion is a bunch of self-centred individuals, I don't see where that would come across in my posts. I have the opinion that people should be entitled to do what they wish (line drawn before griefing, etc.) without ignorant fools telling them that they can or cannot do something, or they are wrong or immoral for doing something.
If what they wish to do is farm items to sell, trade for other items, or barter with fake women for cybersex that's their business.

I got 2 artifacts on my CM for sale, Crown of Zahur 3pp, each. As Im the only one that have them for sale, and that they are SOO easy to get (can be done with 4peeps or so) then I have no idea when... or IF I'm ever gonna sell them.

Done it with 2 people. And nope, you aren't likely to sell that artifact very quickly at 3p

 

[Draylor]

Done it with 2 people. And nope, you aren't likely to sell that artifact very quickly at 3p

Correct - mine took a week or so to sell for that price - after spending the first few days at a higher price.

I really dont understand why people pay so much for easy to get artifacts but since I cant stop them its silly not to take advantage of it

 

[Greenfingers]

If what they wish to do is farm items to sell, trade for other items, or barter with fake women for cybersex that's their business.

refering to something? (Revz's amazing *caught in Barfog making out* post )
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=15985


As of the time getting Battler, it's still only 1 hour of an individual's time spend, not 4 man-hours. The dumping of prices that Freez is refering to, was exactly what we did. We threw LOADS of scrolls on an un-named chars CM and sold the scrolls for somewhat ½ the lowest price according to Market Explorer. The most attractive scrolls were gone in less then 20 mins and the rest, the following day. It's got nothing to do that we wanted a fast buck ... We only wanted to dump the prices for the benefit of the realm.

 

[Rhirap]

Wtf is wrong with people these days? I'm seeing so many artifacts on CM's in housing and even more and more people selling artifacts on this forum.

Are people doing artifacts now just to score cash, instead of doing them 'cause they actually want them or need them?

read a little further and i think we can safely assume he isnt angry about people selling them in the first place, but that people are "doing artifacts now just to score cash", after all, being angry at someone for selling an item is a little stupid tbh

 

[Pin]

refering to something? (Revz's amazing *caught in Barfog making out* post )
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=15985

nope... but lol

The dumping of prices that Freez is refering to, was exactly what we did. We threw LOADS of scrolls on an un-named chars CM and sold the scrolls for somewhat ½ the lowest price according to Market Explorer. The most attractive scrolls were gone in less then 20 mins and the rest, the following day. It's got nothing to do that we wanted a fast buck ... We only wanted to dump the prices for the benefit of the realm.

No matter how many scrolls you think is LOADS, I can assure that with thousands of scrolls being used per day, you that you didn't actively do anything to dump the general price of scrolls in Albion. All that happened as a result of that was you got a bunch of cash, and some people got lucky with individual scrolls on that day.
Scroll prices (just like anything that becomes more and more available) just fall naturally over time.

 

[Gorre]

look i dont mind the fact that there are ppl selling artifacts on their CM's
sometimes it happens that you do an artifact wich you stuble across while roaming with a bunch of friends and at the end it seems no-one really cant use it
what simply disgusts me is activly doing encounters for own personal greed or lottoing for an artifact/item for wich you got no direct need for while other ppl do. and this is happening alot more then it should
behaviour like this is making our realm fall more apart everyday and increasing the allrdy huge gap between casual and powergamers.
there is no sence of coherence anymore in albion, everyone is doing whatever they want and whatever they feel like.

its not a surprise then that we barely got DF anymore like judas pointed out
and how many failed RR's did we have only this last week?
"noob"guilds and alliances and their RR's are teh laughing stock of teh so called "leet" guilds and all "leet"guilds mostly cant stand eachother
you might think that this got nuffin to with this thread but it does, its all about contributing your part to the bigger whole
and if the basis is greed and selfishness then all hope for albion is lost
remember it starts with you, and not you leeching of someone else their efforts.

i dunno about you guys but i prefer playing in a nice atmosphere preferably with 3str relics and acces to DF once in a while then having a wealthy bankbalance wich i gained by being a greedy ass

 

[Gorre]

No matter how many scrolls you think is LOADS, I can assure that with thousands of scrolls being used per day, you that you didn't actively do anything to dump the general price of scrolls in Albion. All that happened as a result of that was you got a bunch of cash, and some people got lucky with individual scrolls on that day.
Scroll prices (just like anything that becomes more and more available) just fall naturally over time.

thats BS
most ppl check scroll prices before putting scrolls of their own on their CM and put em preferably at a relativly low price so they'll get the cash for it soon
in the early days of toa i obtained loads of torches as i helped alot of ppl out on volcanus artifacts
one every 2days was an average for a few weeks
and i consistenly put them at 2P a piece on my CM cuz that seemed a fair price to me, knowing loads of infils need em and that our tanks needed LGM weapons too to speed up/succeed certain ML encounters
rest of the ppl wer still selling at 4-5P a piece and i pmed some ppl selling those em at those ridicoulous prices explaining them the previous.
guess what the day after i saw the prices on the cms of those ppl drop to 2-3P

its just a stupid real example wich im sure you will be able to negate with your grand theoretics of an economic system, Pin.

 

[Crimson LoneWolf]

"And what's with the "I care about all Albion as one realm" thing? As a
roleplaying remark it is great, as a model of thought it is not too great. As in
real life, you cannot love all ppl, the world is too big"

On the contrary, its a very great model of thought. Its just hard to accomplish in reality. Mostly due to the fact that there's a lot of individuals who doesnt really understand the effect of synergy.

And Crimson: are you deliberately denying to understand some of Pin's
points, or is it that you just don't? Especially the bit about spawn time made 
me wonder. General consensus (maybe not among the TOA haters, but 
among the ones that spend time in TOA and think it's ok) is basically what 
Pin said. And as indicated by VoS and GOA, you can alter/affect the spawn 
time on some artifact mobs... ofc if you have bad luck, you can wait 10+ 
hours, but as Pin said, that doesn't mean it's a 10+ hour spawn time.. there 
is a difference there, dunno if you see it.

b) No artifact encounter has a '10+ hour respawn timer'

Read above quote again. His quote was in reply to my quote ->
and artifact mobs, say, 10+ hours respawn timer.

How do you manage to change the meaning of my line into something that you and Pin translate into: All artifact mobs have a 10+ hour respawn timer?

So, we should distribute all 'wealth' to whoever needs it? All items 
received by the realm as a whole should be pooled and distributed to those 
who need them? This may sound like a good idea on paper, but...
If this were to happen, there would be no 'value' in any items, no 'value' in 
cash, and no 'value' in people's time. Everyone would have equal access to 
everything, and individuals wouldn't need to actually do anything to get 
something, so why work?
Because there is then no incentive for the individual to do anything, the 
population as a whole suffers with supply drying up. We would need to be 
actively forced to work to keep the realm alive.

Communism is generally not considered viable in the long term

Pin, really. I thought you were actually well educated, but if you're actually trying to make a comparison between my way of thinking to communism then you're only showing your lack of insight into what communism is. Communism, as it was practised in the Soviet Union, wasnt based upon sharing everything between the masses. In fact, it was based upon the masses working to benefit a few select elitist people. Thats why it failed. The people didnt really benefit at all, because they didnt get anything out of working.

Hmmm, interesting. Lets try and deduce who would benefit more if we all worked in a similar way as you do, Pin. Wouldnt it be the few select "elitist" people who spends most of their time playing? Those who others previously have named as "power gamers" or "serious gamers"?

In the end, i think you should study the difference between socialism and communism to get a grasp of what the true differences are. You will be enlightened and you might even be able to understand what people here, those besides me, have tried to explain to you.

 

[Tay]

basically the point isnt about whether or not items should be sold, its about people spending forever camping a spawn that someone else needs, purely to sell the item. tbh Pin, you might not be able to see it, but you are highly respected by a lot of players, people who dont even know you, that was my point about

In that case you're flogging a dead horse, it is generally agreed by many here and in game that if you dont have enough to do the encounter when its up and ready to be done, youre at the mercy of the first group that is ready and capable. Ive seen many cases where some say "look you dont have a fg are you likely to in the next 10-15 mins"? if not then the encounter started and away we go, some just wade in but thats been done to death also.

 

[Draylor]

This thread is starting to get way off topic.

how many failed RR's did we have only this last week?

None of any significance. Certainly not a single serious attempt.

"noob"guilds and alliances and their RR's are the laughing stock

Idiotic RRs without any sense of a plan are the laughing stock - regardless of who is responsible for them. Ive seen decent plans come from 'noob guilds - but the reverse is also true.

i dunno about you guys but i prefer playing in a nice atmosphere

Ive got it already thanks. Relics I can live without - for now at least theyre not worth the hassle. DF I really couldnt care if we never have access to again - personally I hate the place.

 

[Tay]

We all know that time is money, so I´ll try to make this short, direct and understandable for all.
Time can never be estimated in X amount of (RL)money in a game, except on E-Bay. And Pin, I think you got the exchanging of time wrong, Battler which someone tried to sell for 12p can be obtained by 1fg ... which means 12p / 8 ppl. Battler takes less then 30 mins to kill. 12P takes alot of time to get, even as a necro or scroll farming - alot more then 30 mins.

The amount of plats people wanna spend on getting an item is surely up to the individual player, but charging an insane price is DEFINATLY idiotic. This only reflects that Albion has come to a selfdestructive point, where noone really cares wheter we have the relics, keeps, DF or what ever... that is why I, and many others, have lowered their prices on scrolls, LGW components and so on. The prices were blown out of proportions in the first month of ToA, but things changed - to the benefit of all.


.......More Diatribe cut.

I'm sorry but this whole thing is subjective, You could look at peoples' merchants and think "umm why does he have all these artifacts if he doesnt want them"

I dont personally subscribe to this theory but hey didnt people used to say "Need before greed" ?

So if you wish to flame people for farming items they dont need then look no further than your own CM, if you wish to flame people for selling stuff for shed loads of money then tough thats their perogative, if somebody wants to camp a spot for 10 hrs to have a fg ready to do it before they can get thier own group to do it then tough.

This thread is pointless as are the inane comments made to try and justify that we are all a bunch of rip off artists in this realm..

You people really need to wake up and smell the coffee.

battler is a tradeable artifact in the un activated state and as such it WILL be traded, if I have seen it as cheap as 7 plat and as much as 40, supply and demand its the way the world goes..

 

[Pin]

Pin, really. I thought you were actually well educated, but if you're actually trying to make a comparison between my way of thinking to communism then you're only showing your lack of insight into what communism is. Communism, as it was practised in the Soviet Union, wasnt based upon sharing everything between the masses. In fact, it was based upon the masses working to benefit a few select elitist people. Thats why it failed. The people didnt really benefit at all, because they didnt get anything out of working.

communism - \Com"mu*nism\, n. [F. communisme, fr. commun common.] A scheme of equalizing the social conditions of life; specifically, a scheme which contemplates the abolition of inequalities in the possession of property, as by distributing all wealth equally to all, or by holding all wealth in common for the equal use and advantage of all.


Try returning to school?

 

[Primax]

communism - \Com"mu*nism\, n. [F. communisme, fr. commun common.] A scheme of equalizing the social conditions of life; specifically, a scheme which contemplates the abolition of inequalities in the possession of property, as by distributing all wealth equally to all, or by holding all wealth in common for the equal use and advantage of all.


Try returning to school?

 

[Greenfingers]

I'm sorry but this whole thing is subjective, You could look at peoples' merchants and think "umm why does he have all these artifacts if he doesnt want them".

Well, farming something like SoM, when noone in your guild, your friends or even your pet needs the item is rediculess.

I dont personally subscribe to this theory but hey didnt people used to say "Need before greed" ?

I "subscribe" to that theory, cuZ Im not gonna waste several hours on an artifact or a drop that I, or a fellow guildie, do NOT need, and I certainly have other places to be (in-game) if this was the fact!

So if you wish to flame people for farming items they dont need then look no further than your own CM, if you wish to flame people for selling stuff for shed loads of money then tough thats their perogative, if somebody wants to camp a spot for 10 hrs to have a fg ready to do it before they can get thier own group to do it then tough.

As I said, I have 2 Crown of Zahur for sale, yes I will gladly admit that... ohh U really got me there (eventhough I said it out loud myself :touch: ). Do you have the slightest idea why I have those crowns for sale? ... no? ... good ... lemme explain it to ya then:
I have been killing Zahur on almost a daily basis for the past month or so, trying to get a hold of his ring, Zahur's Ring. The problem with this is that it's such a rare drop that we (a small grp of friends) have only gotten 1 so far, and we need 3 or 4 more... I have sold one crown a few weeks back, and I gave 2 Crowns for free for some guildies, is that greed or am I just being generous?

... to show you my goodwill, I´ll let U buy one for 1pp if that's what this is all about.

This thread is pointless as are the inane comments made to try and justify that we are all a bunch of rip off artists in this realm..

I would like to tell you this:

I am not such a person.

 

[Tay]

Well, farming something like SoM, when noone in your guild, your friends or even your pet needs the item is rediculess.

You speculate that this happens I would tend to agree if I saw 30-40 SOM's in CM's but I dont. I have seen several for auction no more, not quite the farming people refer to.

I "subscribe" to that theory, cuZ Im not gonna waste several hours on an artifact or a drop that I, or a fellow guildie, do NOT need, and I certainly have other places to be (in-game) if this was the fact!

Have you or have you ever had artifacts on your CM ? if so then your argument is flawed from the outset, if you had one shred of belief in what you have been arguing for then you would have just given them away to your alliance or Joe bloggs or whatever.

As I said, I have 2 Crown of Zahur for sale, yes I will gladly admit that... ohh U really got me there (eventhough I said it out loud myself :touch: ). Do you have the slightest idea why I have those crowns for sale? ... no? ... good ... lemme explain it to ya then:

I have been killing Zahur on almost a daily basis for the past month or so, trying to get a hold of his ring, Zahur's Ring. The problem with this is that it's such a rare drop that we (a small grp of friends) have only gotten 1 so far, and we need 3 or 4 more... I have sold one crown a few weeks back, and I gave 2 Crowns for free for some guildies, is that greed or am I just being generous?

... to show you my goodwill, I´ll let U buy one for 1pp if that's what this is all about.

No thanks, Its worthless to me, it does however show me that you are stopping people getting that artifact because you want something that encounter mob drops..

Talk about people camping mobs continuously, I'm afraid any credibiilty you had has gone.

I have been killing Zahur on almost a daily basis for the past month or so"

One rule for us and one rule for them eh? uke:

 

[katt!]

So much stupidity and double morals from the hb guy xD

 

[Taen]

Amagaad its Thatcher Vs. Marx .. Ok people can stop the BS .. what I think is the problem (guys its a game, not the New Right Vs. Socialism) is that certain grps of people are farming certain artifacts constantly and not giving anyone else a chance to get them by doing the encounter. Noone should have to pay 1-40plat for an artifact .. there are a couple that are hard to do but with the help of your guild/friends etc. everybody should be able to get all their artifacts. I understand Pins point about market supply and demand but infortunately Pin it is going to take quite a while for market prices to fall to a reasonable level. This w8 can be very frustrating for people .. hmmmm battler is on Cm for 10plat + always and it is never up .. how long am I supposed to w8 b4 I get the chance to do the artifact or I have to pay a reasonable price ? If you dont need an artifact go farm scrolls or something if you need cash and leave the artifacts for people who need them ... just becuase you run past a artifact mob and noone is camping him doesnt mean that you should automatically try and kill him ... afaik it can take between 1min - 8hrs for a mob to respawn .. who is to say that a grp or guild havent planned an artifact raid that you have screwed it up because you need the cash. I mean wtf do people need all this cash for anyway? Its not that expensive to do do your ToA template and Im sure if you have a load of alts that you need to do templates for couldnt you be the one that w8s while other people get their main templates sorted .. I mean you are in a better position to w8 for the market parices to fall to a reasonable level.. Everybody wants to have fun in this game but some people make it very hard for them to have fun .. the gap between a casual gamer and power gamer keeps widening and this only makes the situation worse. I mean go to fuckin emain ... I dont understand how people can run around bashing mobs and farming scrolls all day for cash .. its boring as hell .. once i have my template done I wont be doing it again for months till i get bored of playing my main and need to do it with an alt.

Anyways just my 2 cents ..

 

[Rhirap]

lol Tay, you pretty much dont have a clue whats going on around you do you.....dont sit there flaming people when you dont even know what the hell you are talking about. like i said, the problem isnt with people selling something, its about people camping the mob day after day, spawn after spawn, when they dont even need anything from it, they just want the artifact to sell for large sums of cash.

In that case you're flogging a dead horse, it is generally agreed by many here and in game that if you dont have enough to do the encounter when its up and ready to be done, youre at the mercy of the first group that is ready and capable. Ive seen many cases where some say "look you dont have a fg are you likely to in the next 10-15 mins"? if not then the encounter started and away we go, some just wade in but thats been done to death also.

i mean wtf does that have to do with my post? my point was that there are people who will just park an alt at a spot, wait for pop and kill it, then when its up again, kill it again, over and over, it doesnt give anyone else a chance to kill it, get credit or whatever, just because they want a bit of cash, thats what is selfish and inconsiderate.

Have you or have you ever had artifacts on your CM ? if so then your argument is flawed from the outset

rofl...so your saying that anyone who ever sells something is a ripoff merchant, OR that nobody is a ripoff merchant? man seriously, think about what your posting before you post it...nobody is asking for artifacts to be taken off the market, just asking that there be bit of consideration amongst people, if you just need money, dont camp a mob with a potentially insane repop timer, that half the realm actually needs to kill for the artifact/credit.

Fair enough, if you need a drop from an artifact mob which isnt the artifact itself, then fine, this doesnt apply to you, but its impossible to tell who is farming artifacts for cash and who is trying to get a drop...there is no right or wrong, thats the beauty of an open-ended game, but sometimes it just sucks, you cant please everyone all the time.

Rhi

 

[Crimson LoneWolf]

communism - \Com"mu*nism\, n. [F. communisme, 
fr. commun common.] A scheme of equalizing the social 
conditions of life; specifically, a scheme which contemplates
the abolition of inequalities in the possession of property,
as by distributing all wealth equally to all, or by holding all 
wealth in common for the equal use and advantage of all.


Try returning to school?

Do you realize that you learn a lot more about communism if you study it
than from what you read when you open a dictionary? I cant believe you're
careless enough to he using a phrase from a dictionary to prove your point.

Lesson one:
If you read your own "definition", then do yourself a favor and find out what
contemplates means. Also, look up the word in the dictionary called signifies,
or any words that holds the same meaning, like equals, etc.


Lesson two:
Do you actually take definitions from dictionaries as facts? Or do you study
further to learn more about the history of communism and the way it was
implemented in the soviet?


Lesson three:
Socialism and communism isnt the same. Communism as it was practised in
the soviet union, was based upon the general population working to benefit a
small population of elitist and powerful people.


Conclusion:
I already pointed out the flaws in your "logic" and in your asumptions. It leads
only to one conclusion which makes this extremely laughable.

Thank you for enlightening us, Comrade Pin. Dont be scared if your base of
power suddenly breaks down in a huge revolution. Heads cant roll in DAOC,
take comfort in that.

 

[Tharion]

GAaaahhh cry...

FFs its a game if someone wanna sell it let them.

Ohhh and nice to see you found the f*cing quote-button Lonewolf.
Fecking annoying to read your first crap.

Pin for dictator he is my mentor !!!
Ohh and your cool also Draylor

Btw Lonewolf you same Lonewolf that had a GF that played Light the infil ?

 

[Tay]

This w8 can be very frustrating for people .. hmmmm battler is on Cm for 10plat + always and it is never up .. how long am I supposed to w8 b4 I get

I spend a lot of time in Volcanus and Battler is frequently up, your average 3-4 people might not be capable of doing it but others are. I suspect Battler spends too much time in his "Enlarged" state for random groups to do him, but he *is* frequently up.

 

[Rulke]

Do you actually take definitions from dictionaries as facts

Hahahaha

Noone should have to pay 1-40plat for an artifact

No one has to pay anything for anything, people have the choice to pay cash for items instead of spending time.

P.S

not