The new trend?

[Pin]

Well, I was going to reply to Taen, but then I thought "sod it, the sun's shining, I'm in a good mood, we got 3 uber drops last night, so ".... (Will just say that Battler being hard to find up is a complete myth - just put together a group and get it).


Then I read Lonewolf's attempt at a post

I am really lost as to whether you're having a problem with reading or comprehension. Not once did I mention any implementation of communism (for some reason you seem to have the notion that the soviet union is the only place where communism was theorised, or practiced - is this as far as your history/politics class went?)... And you do know the difference between the words 'theory' and 'practice', right?

I'd also suggest you look up the word 'concise', as your posts are 1% coffee, 99% foam.

(And no, he hasn't found the quote button, he's typing

 instead :rolleyes: )

 

[Tay]

lol Tay, you pretty much dont have a clue whats going on around you do you.....dont sit there flaming people when you dont even know what the hell you are talking about. like i said, the problem isnt with people selling something, its about people camping the mob day after day, spawn after spawn, when they dont even need anything from it, they just want the artifact to sell for large sums of cash.

I do have a pretty good clue whats going on, I refuse to tell the majority of the people in this game to fuck off and play the way I want to, that for me is a pretty big part of this, HOW DARE you or other tell me or others how to spend their time in game. The reason for this thread is about some idiot that wishes everybody else to play the way he does, he is pissed off because people advertise stuff on thier merchants at what he considers inflated prices, he then guesses that all these people are advertising stuff MUST be farming it day in day out taking it away from people that may or may not need it.

i mean wtf does that have to do with my post? my point was that there are people who will just park an alt at a spot, wait for pop and kill it, then when its up again, kill it again, over and over, it doesnt give anyone else a chance to kill it, get credit or whatever, just because they want a bit of cash, thats what is selfish and inconsiderate.

I know few bots that can kill scalers Akil or SOM or Battler or Azar or many of the other encounters that appear to be sought after, as I have stated in a previous post I dont see *many* of the same people camping the same spots over and over and over again, if you know that this happens for sure then name and shame them, but I suggest you get your facts right before doing it.

rofl...so your saying that anyone who ever sells something is a ripoff merchant, OR that nobody is a ripoff merchant? man seriously, think about what your posting before you post it...nobody is asking for artifacts to be taken off the market, just asking that there be bit of consideration amongst people, if you just need money, dont camp a mob with a potentially insane repop timer, that half the realm actually needs to kill for the artifact/credit.

Fair enough, if you need a drop from an artifact mob which isnt the artifact itself, then fine, this doesnt apply to you, but its impossible to tell who is farming artifacts for cash and who is trying to get a drop...there is no right or wrong, thats the beauty of an open-ended game, but sometimes it just sucks, you cant please everyone all the time.

Rhi

Go and read what I said again, if your going to try to analyse between the lines instead of the facts at least get it right, if somebody is posting on these forums saying "camping mobs and stopping others from doing arti quests is wrong in the search for cash" then those people had better be squeeky clean, I mentioned greenfinger as an example because I know for a fact he has artifacts on his CM that clearly he doesnt need yet continues to farm a mob day in day out, he appears to have double standards.

I dont personally beleive putting artis on CM's is a bad idea at all, it seems you have been selective in reading my posts, I'm all for a free economy, I know that when demand falls prices drop, I have seen the market change in a morning thats how quick it can work in DOAC.

To put it quite bluntly there is fuck all anybody can do about people putting stuff on merchants for inflated prices or otherwise, Crimson has tried unsuccessfully to try and take the moral high ground since the start of this and since his initial argument has failed miserably is now arguing about a totally differant issue.

 

[Crimson LoneWolf]

My opinion remains the same. I think you can prove a few things based on the responses in this thread. What i see:

a) some individuals attack/flame or lash out at you as a person if you raise an issue you have with the direction the game is taking

b) individuals who come forward with false claims try to steer the attention towards something else. What would be worse for their kind than to admit they were wrong?

Btw Pin, do me a favor and look a word up in your dictionary. The word is "synergy".

 

[Taen]

I spend a lot of time in Volcanus and Battler is frequently up, your average 3-4 people might not be capable of doing it but others are. I suspect Battler spends too much time in his "Enlarged" state for random groups to do him, but he *is* frequently up.

Unlike you a lot of people dont spend a lot of time in volcanus ... so as it might appear to be up to you when you run past it 20 odd times a day (Zzzzzzzzzz) an organised guild raid is going to run past it once and if its down because it was farmed by the likes of you then thats another night that a guild who might have 20+ players who need it dont get it.

 

[Taen]

No one has to pay anything for anything, people have the choice to pay cash for items instead of spending time.

P.S

not

[/QUOTE]


Im not disputing the fact that people have the choice to pay or not ... but if an artifact is constantly down and its 10plat+ on a CM (10 plat you dont have) then what do you do .... w8 and w8 till the price comes down or people stop farming it money's sake.. this sux for the people who have to w8.

 

[Pin]

Btw Pin, do me a favor and look a word up in your dictionary. The word is "synergy".

syn·er·gy n. pl. syn·er·gies
1. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.
2. Cooperative interaction among groups, that creates an enhanced combined effect.

If I pass an encounter I'll do it because:
a) I or a friend might want the drop,
b) If we don't, we can trade for something we do want, and therefore we do need it

You know what the word 'trade' means? It means I give something to someone who wants it, in exchange for something he has that I want. 2 people become happy. REJOICE!

My playtime:

Get online and talk to friends.
Work out a list of what every one of them wants.
Try to organise them into doing as many of the things on the list as possible so that we all get what we want in a reasonable amount of time.

Please tell me, how trade is suppoed to be detrimental to Albion as a realm? It isn't. It is benefitial to the realm as a whole, because it encourages people to work for what they gain.
All that is happening is people are making exchanges of their time. Person A puts in time to farm gold, B puts in time to get an item. They exchange that time.

All parties put in the time and effort to obtain the drop, all parties should be entitled to a fair share of reward (or fair chance at rewards) if they wish, whether that is the item from the encounter, or a trade for another item.

Trade, by definition, is synergistic. I hope you find that helpful.

 

[Taen]

Btw Crimson has a point .. when referring to an economic or political system in this context the term socialism should be applied not communism .. communism is just a form of government that sprung out of socialism. Socialism is a political Ideology that has its roots in economic equality wheras communism turned out to be a corrupted form of government when practised in many countries.

 

[Pin]

Unlike you a lot of people dont spend a lot of time in volcanus ... so as it might appear to be up to you when you run past it 20 odd times a day (Zzzzzzzzzz) an organised guild raid is going to run past it once and if its down because it was farmed by the likes of you then thats another night that a guild who might have 20+ players who need it dont get it.

Battler is up very frequently. It spawns ~10 times a day (if killed each pop, obviously), and is usually up for several hours before it's killed (it's not the first weeks of the game anymore, we don't have organised groups running about, taking Battler as soon as it pops).
2 weeks ago it was up from Tues -> Thurs without being killed (a group or two wiped on it on Tues and levelled it a bit, my guild zerg killed it on Thurs - if you have 20+ people that need it, you could have organised that at any time).

When you say you don't spend a lot of time there, do you really mean you don't spend any time there?
If you really want it, then go get it.

 

[Taen]

Battler is up very frequently. It spawns ~10 times a day (if killed each pop, obviously), and is usually up for several hours before it's killed (it's not the first weeks of the game anymore, we don't have organised groups running about, taking Battler as soon as it pops).
2 weeks ago it was up from Tues -> Thurs without being killed (a group or two wiped on it on Tues and levelled it a bit, my guild zerg killed it on Thurs - if you have 20+ people that need it, you could have organised that at any time).

When you say you don't spend a lot of time there, do you really mean you don't spend any time there?
If you really want it, then go get it.

I have ran past Battler a total of six times in an organised grp ... 4 times it was down and twice it was up ... this was between 6 - 10pm when most people only get a chance to play .. so if its down then then most people have to w8 another day

 

[Chilly]

communism - \Com"mu*nism\, n. [F. communisme, fr. commun common.] A scheme of equalizing the social conditions of life; specifically, a scheme which contemplates the abolition of inequalities in the possession of property, as by distributing all wealth equally to all, or by holding all wealth in common for the equal use and advantage of all.


Try returning to school?

I must disagree, that may be the DICTIONARY definition, but EVERY comunist state has died to the same things - fat cats skimming the cream instead of actually trying to make the system work.

A perfect society WOULD be communist, but everyone knows most humans are grade A greedy ***** and it never works.

 

[Pin]

Btw Crimson has a point .. when referring to an economic or political system in this context the term socialism should be applied not communism .. communism is just a form of government that sprung out of socialism. Socialism is a political Ideology that has its roots in economic equality wheras communism turned out to be a corrupted form of government when practised in many countries.

Strictly speaking, no he doesn't, no it shouldn't, no it isn't and no it isn't.

Communism, in it's purest definition is exactly as I described before. I'm not talking about Marxism, Leninism, Maoism, or whatever. I'm talking communism.
In practice, communism in this sense could never work, therefore most attempts at implementation divide the population in terms of classes and distribute wealth equally within those classes. And, as we all know, this does not work very well in practice either...

Socialism cannot really be defined exactly, because it covers a large section of middle-ground between capitalism and communism, but basically it contains elements from both.

 

[Pin]

I have ran past Battler a total of six times in an organised grp ... 4 times it was down and twice it was up ... this was between 6 - 10pm when most people only get a chance to play .. so if its down then then most people have to w8 another day

return an hour or two later, it's likely to be up.

 

[Pin]

I must disagree, that may be the DICTIONARY definition, but EVERY comunist state has died to the same things - fat cats skimming the cream instead of actually trying to make the system work.

A perfect society WOULD be communist, but everyone knows most humans are grade A greedy ***** and it never works.

How is what you are saying different to what I said?

Communism sometimes looks good on paper as an ideal, but never works in practice due to human nature. Both in terms of people being lazy (why work if you get the same benefit by not working) and people being greedy.


(And no, not EVERY communist state has died to fatcats skimming).

 

[Crimson LoneWolf]

Trade, by definition, is synergistic

Would you care to enlighten us how trading suddenly became synergistic?

As far as the definition of trading goes -> Trade signifies giving someone something in return of getting something different back. Say someone has an artifact you "want" to buy (big surprise there), and you give that person 10 plats. He gets 10 plats, you get your artifact. How exactly did those two persons gain more than they had in advance? Its quite simple when you think about it. Try reversing the trade. Have they lost anything by doing that? No, they can still make the trade, again, at a later point without any problems whatsoever. Have they gained anything? No, they have not, they have TRADED. And the problem in your asumption is that there's money involved.

Synergy, by definition is when two or more individuals work together in a way that makes them bigger than the sum of their individuals.

Example:

Someone starts running an artifact group. The people in the group makes a list of which items they need or want to try to get. The group moves out, trying to scout the artifact spots, and move on until they find one that they need. They do the artifact encounter, and if more people wanted that particular one, they would lotto for it. The one that wins the lotto gets the artifact. But he stays to help the rest of the people try to get the ones they want. They keep running the artifact grp at prearranged days until all have gained one of the artifacts they aimed for.

Why is this synergy? Because people gain something that they couldnt have gained without working together, and because there is NO money involved. Money is a commodity that you can spend so you do NOT have to work together with anyone.

Can you see the difference? I think anyone with a little bit of education, and heart who reads what i just wrote with an open mind, can acknowledge that it not only makes sense, but is true.

It means that people who do the artifact encounters because they are up, and not for the need, destroy the possibility of a synergistic effect.


PS:

Communism sometimes looks good on paper as an ideal, but never
works in practice due to human nature. Both in terms of people being lazy
(why work if you get the same benefit by not working) and people being
greedy.

(And no, not EVERY communist state has died to fatcats skimming).

You're confusing socialism with communism. A well known mixup by people who use hear-say.

 

[Chilly]

Trade, by definition, is synergistic

Would you care to enlighten us how trading suddenly became synergistic?

As far as the definition of trading goes -> Trade signifies giving someone something in return of getting something different back. Say someone has an artifact you "want" to buy (big surprise there), and you give that person 10 plats. He gets 10 plats, you get your artifact. How exactly did those two persons gain more than they had in advance? Its quite simple when you think about it. Try reversing the trade. Have they lost anything by doing that? No, they can still make the trade, again, at a later point without any problems whatsoever. Have they gained anything? No, they have not, they have TRADED. And the problem in your asumption is that there's money involved.

Synergy, by definition is when two or more individuals work together in a way that makes them bigger than the sum of their individuals.

Example:

Someone starts running an artifact group. The people in the group makes a list of which items they need or want to try to get. The group moves out, trying to scout the artifact spots, and move on until they find one that they need. They do the artifact encounter, and if more people wanted that particular one, they would lotto for it. The one that wins the lotto gets the artifact. But he stays to help the rest of the people try to get the ones they want. They keep running the artifact grp at prearranged days until all have gained one of the artifacts they aimed for.

Why is this synergy? Because people gain something that they couldnt have gained without working together, and because there is NO money involved. Money is a commodity that you can spend so you do NOT have to work together with anyone.

Can you see the difference? I think anyone with a little bit of education, and heart who reads what i just wrote with an open mind, can acknowledge that it not only makes sense, but is true.

It means that people who do the artifact encounters because they are up, and not for the need, destroy the possibility of a synergistic effect.


PS:

Communism sometimes looks good on paper as an ideal, but never
works in practice due to human nature. Both in terms of people being lazy
(why work if you get the same benefit by not working) and people being
greedy.

(And no, not EVERY communist state has died to fatcats skimming).

You're confusing socialism with communism. A well known mixup by people who use hear-say.

One character may be particularly suited to farming plat and one may be particularly suited to farming the item and each cant do the other very well.

In THAT case each of the people are happier with what they cannot get as easily.

Thus, synergistic (fuck knows if thats a word but it is now dammit!).


And pin, ok was perhaps having a go because i was bored and wanted to join the bandwagon

 

[Pin]

You're confusing socialism with communism. A well known mixup by people who use hear-say.

Ahh right, hear-say.

I didn't realise you were Karl Marx :worthy:

 

[Taen]

Strictly speaking, no he doesn't, no it shouldn't, no it isn't and no it isn't.

Communism, in it's purest definition is exactly as I described before. I'm not talking about Marxism, Leninism, Maoism, or whatever. I'm talking communism.
In practice, communism in this sense could never work, therefore most attempts at implementation divide the population in terms of classes and distribute wealth equally within those classes. And, as we all know, this does not work very well in practice either...

Socialism cannot really be defined exactly, because it covers a large section of middle-ground between capitalism and communism, but basically it contains elements from both.

Socialism emerged as a critque of of liberal market society and was defined by its attempt to offer an alternative to industrial capitalism. There are many elements to socialism and many movements within it as there is within liberal democratic societies. When you talk about equality of class through economics within a society you refer to it as socialism not communism. Communism is a certain type of socialism that has failed miserably in practice. Economic equality is part of a socialist ideology so when refering to class or economic equality within a society you use the term socialism Vs the term capitalism ... not communism Vs capitalism. Crimsons Ideas were socialist if anything not communist .. you are the one who accused him of having communist ideals which was a wrong observation by you ... so yes he does have a point when he says if you think what he is saying is Communist that you need to look up a dictionary to find out the difference between Communism and Socialism is.

Tbh I really didnt want to get dragged into this arguement. People have a right to do whatever they want in this game as long as it doesnt break the CoC. Just like irl people have a right to do whatever they want as long as they dont break the law. However you will meet plenty of people irl who are complete lamers and wankers with no ethical or moral principles who dont break the law and are therefore untouchable. This sux but thats life .. QQing is only a waste of time so just try and work around the problems that life throws at you.

 

[Bracken]

If you dont need it, leave the encounter and let someone who needs either credit or the artifact itself kill it.
.

A noble sentiment but totally unrealistic given human nature. There will always be someone who will kill it for cash, so if you see it up may aswell kill it . That way if more people kill it and sell it supply stays higher and therefore prices lower

 

[Tay]

Unlike you a lot of people dont spend a lot of time in volcanus ... so as it might appear to be up to you when you run past it 20 odd times a day (Zzzzzzzzzz) an organised guild raid is going to run past it once and if its down because it was farmed by the likes of you then thats another night that a guild who might have 20+ players who need it dont get it.

If you dont spend the time in Volcanus how do you get the artifacts you want there?

I mentioned Battler because it fetches the highest prices on average, I dont run past it 20 times a day, I work for a living therefore I only play in the evenings so youre not even close.

I dont farm artifacts, so if people like yourself got off your fat arses and check artifacts mobs instead of slagging others off for "possibly" killing artifact mobs for cash.

I find it amazing that the whole world has to stop because somebody (And this somebody could be anybody) has killed an artifact mob somebody in your zerg might want and cant get.

If you want an artifact then check it out on a regular basis dont come here whining that a mob wasnt up and blame it on people that farm it for cash.

I dont doubt that people farm itms for cash, others have admitted it in these forums before, but you have brought no firm evidence that arti mobs you want have been farmed for cash and you couldnt get it.

What I see from your post is that: Somebody killed a mob and you cant get it, sorry mate but thats life.

Frankly I dont give a flying ratsass about you having a organised guild hunt on, if there is a artifact up that I'm after or member of our group is after we will do it if it is up.

There is hundreds of guilds on this server and many have organised guild raids, that in itself is not a reason for the whe community to stop killing mobs that they require too.

I suspect somebody will try and push through a booking sheet for artifact mobs soon....

 

[Taen]

If you dont spend the time in Volcanus how do you get the artifacts you want there?

I mentioned Battler because it fetches the highest prices on average, I dont run past it 20 times a day, I work for a living therefore I only play in the evenings so youre not even close.

I dont farm artifacts, so if people like yourself got off your fat arses and check artifacts mobs instead of slagging others off for "possibly" killing artifact mobs for cash.

I find it amazing that the whole world has to stop because somebody (And this somebody could be anybody) has killed an artifact mob somebody in your zerg might want and cant get.

If you want an artifact then check it out on a regular basis dont come here whining that a mob wasnt up and blame it on people that farm it for cash.

I dont doubt that people farm itms for cash, others have admitted it in these forums before, but you have brought no firm evidence that arti mobs you want have been farmed for cash and you couldnt get it.

What I see from your post is that: Somebody killed a mob and you cant get it, sorry mate but thats life.

Frankly I dont give a flying ratsass about you having a organised guild hunt on, if there is a artifact up that I'm after or member of our group is after we will do it if it is up.

There is hundreds of guilds on this server and many have organised guild raids, that in itself is not a reason for the whe community to stop killing mobs that they require too.

I suspect somebody will try and push through a booking sheet for artifact mobs soon....

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz BORING !!! I needs loadsa muney to get meself some nice things ..... I have nothing better to do ingame than farm and sell artifacts to make myself really really rich ........... Man get a grip .. I am in uni and doing exams atm and I hardly any time to play for the last coulple of months and I have my template nearly complete .. what the hell do you need all the cash for. There are dudes who really need the artifacts that you farm for cash .. end of story .. you are been greedy and making it more difficult for a casual gamer to get what he needs ... imo thats lame .. believe me I know all about supply and demand etc .. but it takes a long time for prices drop as ToA hasnt been out that long and Battler etc can only be farmed so many times a day so amount of artifacts in game < amount of people who need them. Let them get them the way they were meant to. I mean go farm scrolls or seals if you need cash that bad. And btw ur an idiot I dont give a flying fuck if you farm atifacts all day .. Im just agreeing with other people on this forum that people like you are pretty lame and you make the game difficult for other people .. you have self centered egoistic attitude .. thats the problem in this game .. altruist Vs egoist .. and egoists make life a pain in the butt for everyone else

 

[Tay]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz BORING !!! I needs loadsa muney to get meself some nice things ..... I have nothing better to do ingame than farm and sell artifacts to make myself really really rich ........... Man get a grip .. I am in uni and doing exams atm and I hardly any time to play for the last coulple of months and I have my template nearly complete .. what the hell do you need all the cash for.

Are you listening? your first line tell me 2 things
1. You're lazy
2. You think the world owes you a favour

Battler can be farmed 10+ times a day, but that doesnt suit your argument does it.

Which bit of "I dont farm artifacts" dont you understand?

Here, I'll help with my limited language skills.

"No cultivo artefactos"
"Non coltivo i manufatti"
"Ich bewirtschafte nicht Kunstprodukte"

If one of those actually says your a twat it was wholly intentional.

"And btw ur an idiot I dont give a flying fuck if you farm atifacts all day .. Im just agreeing with other people on this forum that people like you are pretty lame and you make the game difficult for other people .. you have self centered egoistic attitude

If brains were foreskins you would be jewish.

btw Egoistic = Self centered, thus "You have a self centered self centered attitude"

Youre either doing too much of this or not nearly enough.

 

[Gorbash]

and now a quick summary for those still keeping track!
(note the following has been translated into points that even LoneWolf cant miss)

so far we have one set of people with the opinion of:
"Farming Artifacts....BAD!"

and another set of the opinion:
"Farming Artifacts....GOOD!"

somehow a debate on the definition of communism got dragged in too, not to mention a healthy personal barrage of subtle insults, which were quite impressive too.

so far it seems that the 'GOOD's have the upper hand with the 'BAD's training quite pathetically behind, but they're still trying, bless them!

-----
and now for my own little contribution to the warfare (oooh, here it comes! the bit youve been waiting for!)

it seems to ME (that means that this is my opinion based on what ive read so far), that the 'BAD's are trying to get something (either for themselves or for others) without actually putting the required time in to earn it, based on how much time others are prepared to put in. Whether this be farming the cash to buy it, or farming the actual item itself.

I find the excuse of 'ohh, its not up all the time' quite laughable, especially when coupled with 'its only because people farm X artifact 24/7 for cash' (exaggerated, but you all SHOULD know what i mean.... and for those that dont (yes, it seems EVERYTHING needs to be explained in great detail on these boards because people overlook, ignore, or just plain dont get it, as previous posts have shown) im talking about the few people that sell artifacts they dont need in order to make some money that they will most likely use to buy the artfacts/items/etc they cant get themselves......im still having trouble understanding why people think this is a bad thing....)... but anyway, back to the excuse part........ its quite simply explained in the following sentence....

"Theres a character population of x000 in albion. what do you bloody well expect? the entire realm to yourself when you need it?"

furthermore, the idea of a fairytale albion where everyone gets what they want, when they want, and everyone is friends, and love is spread all around.... honestly... who are you trying to kid? you just need to look at these boards to see a SMALL representation of the population of this realm, and lets be honest, they go at each others throats all the time. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, SO DONT EVEN TRY. (and for those that see this as some kind of order from myself... (yes, its one of those explaining moments again) ... its no an order, its just an attempt to drive the truth into your heads to save you the grief of failing later)

The only viable option IS the market economy in place at the moment, as it allows the consumer the CHOICE of either buying/selling artifacts, or farming them him/her self. It leaves each party in a position to do what best suits thier situation, (i.e. Mr.Seller comes along and says, 'ohh, i dont need this artifact, but i need money to buy something else!, and Mr.Hunter says 'ohh, i need that artifact, but due to whatever circumstance, cant aquire it myself (be it the mob/manpower/time not being available, or otherwise)! here is some money that i have aquired that is of no use to me, let me purchase that artifact that you are selling and we shall both be better off!' and there would be much rejoicing as Mr.Seller and Mr.Hunter go thier seperate ways with the commodity that they now have in place of the commodity that they did not need.

in this scenario, the value of each commodity its what seems to be annoying a few people on this server. which draws me back to my original assumtion of 'some people want, but dont want to put the time in'. If the item you need is worth more time than you are prepared to put in to get it, then i put it to you that you are taking the lazy approach to wanting said item. For the people that ARE prepared to put in the time to get artifacts from encounters for whatever reason have every right to do with them what they wish to, and people that complain about it have no right to do so as they have not put in an equal amount of time and earned said right.

as far as farming cash to purchase expensive artifacts goes.... give me a break, cash is the easiest thing in the game to accumulate in large amounts. just today, in an hour of exping, i got over 500gp. if you want something bad enough, youll put in the time to get it. which AGAIN seems to enforce my original statement of lazyness.

i am of course open to all comments and critisisms of the above text, and look forward to a healthy continuing debate about them and any following posts thereafter.

Thank you for your time, you now know my opinion on the subject and i hope it was an enlightening experience for those that were able to read the whole thing and survive

Edit: fixed typos and stuff. cant be seen on these baodser maaaking eny speeling mistaces withowt sum numptee krytizising me foawr it.

Rawr!

 

[Crimson LoneWolf]

Circles, anyone? Try and convince me of that i havent spend way too much time running back and forth between artifact encounters that i'm still trying to get done. I'd like to see screen shots, and chat logs, and logging time, so you can prove that i'm too lazy to try to get them.

You guys can keep trying to argue your points, but you'll acomplish nothing apart from proving that you're a bunch of capitalistic greedy brats.

Market economy? ROFL!

 

[Gorbash]

and AGAIN you just fly over the point i was trying to make, as youve done to many of the valid points made by others in this thread, that people are obviously prepared to put more time into getting artifact than you are, since you obviously dont have the ones you want yet, and they do.

if you arnt prepared to do the work that other people are obviously doing (your not the only one that has it hard you know, even the people that farm the things have to work for em(in the game sense of work that is, this is by no means a que for some tit to jump in and say 'ohh, you shouldnt be working in a game etc')) then you obviously dont deserve to own said artifacts anyway.

Rawr!

 

[Tay]

Circles, anyone? Try and convince me of that i havent spend way too much time running back and forth between artifact encounters that i'm still trying to get done. I'd like to see screen shots, and chat logs, and logging time, so you can prove that i'm too lazy to try to get them.

You guys can keep trying to argue your points, but you'll acomplish nothing apart from proving that you're a bunch of capitalistic greedy brats.

Market economy? ROFL!

I dont spend all my life on this game and I have the artifacts I wish to have bar 1-2 for alts, so I can only assume your the unluckiest guy in the world, god hates you, you are looking in the wrong place or have set your sights far to high.

We dont need to argue the points, we're trying to get it through your thick head that the artifacts are there if you want them but they wont fall into your hands through devine intervention.

 

[Gorbash]

You guys can keep trying to argue your points, but you'll acomplish nothing apart from proving that you're a bunch of capitalistic greedy brats.

Market economy? ROFL!

would this, by definition mean that you are infact being a hypocrit, as in the same post you mentioned that you had mooched around countless encouters looking for artifacts, obviously for personal gain?

 

[Taen]

Are you listening? your first line tell me 2 things
1. You're lazy
2. You think the world owes you a favour

Battler can be farmed 10+ times a day, but that doesnt suit your argument does it.

Which bit of "I dont farm artifacts" dont you understand?

Here, I'll help with my limited language skills.

"No cultivo artefactos"
"Non coltivo i manufatti"
"Ich bewirtschafte nicht Kunstprodukte"

If one of those actually says your a twat it was wholly intentional.


If brains were foreskins you would be jewish.

btw Egoistic = Self centered, thus "You have a self centered self centered attitude"

Youre either doing too much of this or not nearly enough.

Egoistic is a lot more than self centered u twat .... btw i have battler .. btw afaik respawn timers are random .. anywhere between 1 min and 8 hrs afaik. Most ppl play from 6 - 10 pm so even if greedy fucker farms it once then that makes it harder/impossible for someone else to get it. Btw you are still an idiot .. just a bigger idiot in my opinion now. TRY and use whatever little brains god gave you if any. I posted earlier that I have my template complete .. I dont need any favours and you can do wtf you like as long as it doesnt break CoC ... but other ppl do need a favour .. ppl who dont play as much as you. So if ppl need money let then farm scrolls and try and let some of the more casual players get up to some kind of lvl where they can compete. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU STUPID NO BRAIN FUCKWIT .. TAKE YOU FINGER OUT OF YOU ASS BECAUSE IT IS BLOCKING OXYGEN TO YOUR BRAIN .. AND YES CAPS DOES MAKE IT TRUE

 

[Taen]

and AGAIN you just fly over the point i was trying to make, as youve done to many of the valid points made by others in this thread, that people are obviously prepared to put more time into getting artifact than you are, since you obviously dont have the ones you want yet, and they do.

if you arnt prepared to do the work that other people are obviously doing (your not the only one that has it hard you know, even the people that farm the things have to work for em(in the game sense of work that is, this is by no means a que for some tit to jump in and say 'ohh, you shouldnt be working in a game etc')) then you obviously dont deserve to own said artifacts anyway.

Rawr!

why dont they deserve any ?? just because they got real lifes .. maybe a job .. maybe kids .. maybe exams .. why dont some fuckwits who have 10 alts fully artifacted and Sced let some ppl even get their main up to a decent standard .. Without the casual player there is no game .. no warders to farm etc .. only a small % of ppl who play read these boards but i can assure the large % who dont are having real trouble getting their artifacts. Try and think of the big picture m8 .. a lot of hardcore players left because artifacts are too much hassle .. if its too much hassle for them what is it like for casual players .. it probably become way too much hassle .. do we want them to leave the game and the server die .. like in states where population has dropped a huge amount .. can u understand this ??? I have a degree in economics m8 so dont try and talk to me about a market economy and how it works .. you have no idea how complex a system it really is .. If supply and demand worked so well in a free market economy why is the world been suffering from the backlash of Reagan/Thatcherism ... why are there huge riots around the world because of globalisation .. why have we turned into a world where political systems are been run by nameless/facless corporations and a vote doesnt mean shit .. why can the CEO of disney pay himself 1 billion as his wages for one year why millions starve .. A free market economy does not work and will never work because it involves creating an insane and inhumane gap between rich and poor. Try thinking about other people other than youself for a minute .. Kit out your main and be happy with that .. and let some other people enjoy themselves why dont ya.

 

[Gorbash]

Egoistic is a lot more than self centered u twat .... btw i have battler .. btw afaik respawn timers are random .. anywhere between 1 min and 8 hrs afaik. Most ppl play from 6 - 10 pm so even if greedy fucker farms it once then that makes it harder/impossible for someone else to get it. Btw you are still an idiot .. just a bigger idiot in my opinion now. TRY and use whatever little brains god gave you if any. I posted earlier that I have my template complete .. I dont need any favours and you can do wtf you like as long as it doesnt break CoC ... but other ppl do need a favour .. ppl who dont play as much as you. So if ppl need money let then farm scrolls and try and let some of the more casual players get up to some kind of lvl where they can compete. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU STUPID NO BRAIN FUCKWIT .. TAKE YOU FINGER OUT OF YOU ASS BECAUSE IT IS BLOCKING OXYGEN TO YOUR BRAIN .. AND YES CAPS DOES MAKE IT TRUE

has it ever occured to you, that while a lot of people play 6-10pm, maybe... just maybe it might be one of the 600 or so that do, actually need that artifact and go and do the encounter, and then silly people like you come along and blame it on cash farmers?

but nooooo, thats just not possible is it. as far as you can see, everyone with a 4 hour/night playtime must not have any artifacts, and those that play 12 hours a day have them all.

wake up mate.

 

[Gorbash]

why dont they deserve any ?? just because they got real lifes .. maybe a job .. maybe kids .. maybe exams .. why dont some fuckwits who have 10 alts fully artifacted and Sced let some ppl even get their main up to a decent standard .. Without the casual player there is no game .. no warders to farm etc .. only a small % of ppl who play read these boards but i can assure the large % who dont are having real trouble getting their artifacts. Try and think of the big picture m8 .. a lot of hardcore players left because artifacts are too much hassle .. if its too much hassle for them what is it like for casual players .. it probably become way too much hassle .. do we want them to leave the game and the server die .. like in states where population has dropped a huge amount .. can u understand this ??? I have a degree in economics m8 so dont try and talk to me about a market economy and how it works .. you have no idea how complex a system it really is .. If supply and demand worked so well in a free market economy why is the world been suffering from the backlash of Reagan/Thatcherism ... why are there huge riots around the world because of globalisation .. why have we turned into a world where political systems are been run by nameless/facless corporations and a vote doesnt mean shit .. why can the CEO of disney pay himself 1 billion as his wages for one year why millions starve .. A free market economy does not work and will never work because it involves creating an insane and inhumane gap between rich and poor. Try thinking about other people other than youself for a minute .. Kit out your main and be happy with that .. and let some other people enjoy themselves why dont ya.

so your saying that because you have a limited playtime, you should be handed stuff on a plate?

your saying that the market system ingame does not function? give reasons why.

FYI, i have a part time job, i am a full time student, AND i have a girlfriend whom i spend time with every day, so MY playtime is quite limited as well, and yet i still manage to get the artifacts i want, and fairly easily at that.

you and the rest of the whiners have no excuse.