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give him a hug :kiss2:
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:lol:
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I've watched it now for the 3rd time (I seriously enjoy watching it) and the more I think about it the more I believe that there is no matrix within a matrix.
For starters the two Wachowski brothers have stated that there will definately not be a matrix within a matrix.
Secondly everyone seems to be basing the matrix-within-a-matrix theory on the last few minutes of the film, where Neo stops the sentinals by holding out his hand and emp'ing their asses. Well I seem to remember that agents within the matrix can control the machines outside the matrix. Neo, having merged somehow with Agent Smith (as said in the film) could now somehow have those powers. (My theory anyway)
So what did Damini say about those outside the matrix?
What if Zion *IS* the real world? The architect knows there will always be some people that reject the matrix and search for Zion so he allows people to escape to avoid a crash of the system. When the population of Zion reaches a certain amount the machines destroy it and 'the one' returns to the source and selects 23 people (?) to be unplugged so that the matrix can reboot and start over.
As for the whole food argument before, maybe the machines also grow humans that don't enter the Matrix, what if they grow fields of humans (or modified fat humans) designed entirely for food?
(edit : What is the music that plays when Trinity is riding the motorbike during the car chase??!)
For starters the two Wachowski brothers have stated that there will definately not be a matrix within a matrix.
Secondly everyone seems to be basing the matrix-within-a-matrix theory on the last few minutes of the film, where Neo stops the sentinals by holding out his hand and emp'ing their asses. Well I seem to remember that agents within the matrix can control the machines outside the matrix. Neo, having merged somehow with Agent Smith (as said in the film) could now somehow have those powers. (My theory anyway)
So what did Damini say about those outside the matrix?
What if Zion *IS* the real world? The architect knows there will always be some people that reject the matrix and search for Zion so he allows people to escape to avoid a crash of the system. When the population of Zion reaches a certain amount the machines destroy it and 'the one' returns to the source and selects 23 people (?) to be unplugged so that the matrix can reboot and start over.
As for the whole food argument before, maybe the machines also grow humans that don't enter the Matrix, what if they grow fields of humans (or modified fat humans) designed entirely for food?
(edit : What is the music that plays when Trinity is riding the motorbike during the car chase??!)
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nath
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They'd still need enough energy to grow the humans that they could feed to the other humans.
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omg not this argument again 
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Furr
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From what i gathered:
The Matrix world (set in the 20th/21st century) is for the 99.9% of the human race that accepts it
The Zion world, is for the 0.01% who dont and at a certain point they have to 'purge' the Zion world
and neo seems to be the 0.00000000000000000000000000001% who finnaly works it all out. Its all fake
He's the first 'chosen one' to to do this. And thats why he says things are different when he gets out the last time. The matrix probably has special rules designed especially for Neo(and his type) that allow him to see the code, fly etc.
In the Zion world there are rules that stop him from doing this, or that there are rules that just aren;t there. But now some thing has changed and he not only has control over the Matrix world, but is now developing control of the Zion world.
And now he's done that.......................... we shall just have to wait till the next film.
The Matrix world (set in the 20th/21st century) is for the 99.9% of the human race that accepts it
The Zion world, is for the 0.01% who dont and at a certain point they have to 'purge' the Zion world
and neo seems to be the 0.00000000000000000000000000001% who finnaly works it all out. Its all fake
He's the first 'chosen one' to to do this. And thats why he says things are different when he gets out the last time. The matrix probably has special rules designed especially for Neo(and his type) that allow him to see the code, fly etc.
In the Zion world there are rules that stop him from doing this, or that there are rules that just aren;t there. But now some thing has changed and he not only has control over the Matrix world, but is now developing control of the Zion world.
And now he's done that.......................... we shall just have to wait till the next film.
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WARNING: Some mini-spoilers below
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Aye, that basically sums up my perspective on where things are.
If you play "Enter The Matrix" (the game) you actually get some more info along these lines from the Oracle, who mentions Neo being in trouble and "seperated from his mind" or some such (I wasn't paying much attention). It was clearly meant to refer to Neo slipping into a coma immediately after stopping those Sentinels in Zion though.
I was surprised actually, for such a major plot element to be hidden away in a game that the vast majority of people who watched the film will never see. I suppose there is already masses of speculation flying around the 'Net anyway - so I don't suppose it matters a great deal.
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Aye, that basically sums up my perspective on where things are.
If you play "Enter The Matrix" (the game) you actually get some more info along these lines from the Oracle, who mentions Neo being in trouble and "seperated from his mind" or some such (I wasn't paying much attention). It was clearly meant to refer to Neo slipping into a coma immediately after stopping those Sentinels in Zion though.
I was surprised actually, for such a major plot element to be hidden away in a game that the vast majority of people who watched the film will never see. I suppose there is already masses of speculation flying around the 'Net anyway - so I don't suppose it matters a great deal.
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It isn't a matrix within The Matrix...
It's 2 concurrent and linked matrices.
It's 2 concurrent and linked matrices.
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He is not the first one to be the "Chosen One".
I think he is the 7th one. They have already purged Zion about 6 times now. Every time they do it the "Chosen One" gets a bit more cleverer than the last one. They designed the matrix so that it will discover these special people who see past the matrix.
It is all part of their grand plan...whatever that may be.
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Negatory!
But we shall see, I suppose.
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Read it again: He's the first true "One". The first to be able to see beyond all the layers of the matrix, Zion included.
The One's abilities are a glitch in the system, that pops up within any given person every 100 years or so. So The Architect decided to use this fact to his advantage, and coded into this glitch the "need" to discover why humans wanted to escape the Matrix. He would gather this information, return to the source, integrate that information into the program and reboot the system. This would normally have continued until there were no more human minds seeking to escape the matrix, and the glitch would then have been eradicated from the system completely.
In essence, he used Neo as a spy against the rebels & Zion.
Except for Trinity it would have worked.
Again, for the 6th time.
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but Zion isn't part of the matrix so how can that be true?
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Sar
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Originally posted by The Fonz
but Zion isn't part of the matrix so how can that be true?
Either it is, or he's the Second Coming.
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its also possible neo is a program, which is why he can see and alter the code and everyone else are real humans and he is being used to test how people might make choices etc
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Sar
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Originally posted by n3wbie
its also possible neo is a program, which is why he can see and alter the code and everyone else are real humans and he is being used to test how people might make choices etc
He is, in part, which is what I had just said.
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what i mean is he could be 100% program, coded by the creator.
just my oppinion
just my oppinion
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nath
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Zion isn't another matrix. Neo has somehow merged with the source, and thus has control over the sentinels despite being outside of the matrix.
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Fuck. This thread has prevented me from getting an early night.
I can't resist the Room 101 link, though. It's been a few years since I studied 1984, but from what I remember...
It's all about control. The theme of 1984 is government control over knowledge. They have departments to re-write history and have devloped a new language, for example. People who don't conform commit 'doublethink' and are sent to Room 101 to undergo physical and psychological torture.
There's a very moving chapter where 'they' show our hero four lights and ask...
"How many lights do you see?"
"Four."
*zap*
"No. You see five. How many lights do you see?"
"Four."
*zap*
"No, five. How many lights do you see?"
*Grnk. Um... four."
*zap*
"How many lights do you see?"
"F... Five?"
But the shocker being that by the end he does actually see five lights. The ultimate control of the 'overseers' (the government in 1984, the Architect in The Matrix) is total, to the point where people genuinely believe what they are 'programmed' to, despite what their senses may tell them.
A quote I remember is "You must love Big Brother. It is not enough to obey him... Room 101!"
The ending being "Everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
I can't resist the Room 101 link, though. It's been a few years since I studied 1984, but from what I remember...
It's all about control. The theme of 1984 is government control over knowledge. They have departments to re-write history and have devloped a new language, for example. People who don't conform commit 'doublethink' and are sent to Room 101 to undergo physical and psychological torture.
There's a very moving chapter where 'they' show our hero four lights and ask...
"How many lights do you see?"
"Four."
*zap*
"No. You see five. How many lights do you see?"
"Four."
*zap*
"No, five. How many lights do you see?"
*Grnk. Um... four."
*zap*
"How many lights do you see?"
"F... Five?"
But the shocker being that by the end he does actually see five lights. The ultimate control of the 'overseers' (the government in 1984, the Architect in The Matrix) is total, to the point where people genuinely believe what they are 'programmed' to, despite what their senses may tell them.
A quote I remember is "You must love Big Brother. It is not enough to obey him... Room 101!"
The ending being "Everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
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1984 is a great book. Double plus good even.
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Well Neo's room number in Matrix1 was 101 and I always assumed it had something to do with binary (101 being 5 in binary).
There where 5 'the ones' before Neo, but maybe I'm just reading into things to much.
There where 5 'the ones' before Neo, but maybe I'm just reading into things to much.
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Possible spoiler for 3rd matrix
I never read it but a few posts down someone said
Anyone wanna take a peek? could end the arguemtns
I never read it but a few posts down someone said
Anyone wanna take a peek? could end the arguemtns
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Read what again? I have only seen the film. Is there a book?
It was'nt in the film that he is the first true "One"....
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I get the feeling that people are reading into the plot waaaaaaaaay too much.
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Originally posted by old.Jestra
Possible spoiler for 3rd matrix
I never read it but a few posts down someone said
Anyone wanna take a peek? could end the arguemtns
The spoiler is that the Matrix still exists after the 3rd film.
Loved the bloke who said they'll try to pass lag off as bullet-time
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Originally posted by Wij
The spoiler is that the Matrix still exists after the 3rd film.
Loved the bloke who said they'll try to pass lag off as bullet-time
Barstand!!!!!!111
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Why Neo fainted @ the end of Reloaded
Neo being the one and visiting the source unlocked his mind. Some of his special code in the Matrix was downloaded into his brain in the real world. This is possible, as it happened to Bane, "Smith in the real world", if you will.
Neo now has the code to control the machines, and that's why he could stop the sentinals. But why isn't he all powerful, you ask? Why did he faint? Because part of the code is missing.
Where is this missing code? Simple. Smith. Smith said to him just before the burly brawl (100 Smith vs Neo fight) that (i'm paraphrasing here) "some peice of you was imprinted onto me." Smith carries some of Neo's code, which is why Neo is NOT all powerful and can still be hurt. This is why it seems Neo must fight Smith in Revolutions, to get back his code and save the world.
I think this is the most logical explanation. I'm not buying the "Zion is another Matrix" theory for 1 second, cos it sounds crap.
Neo being the one and visiting the source unlocked his mind. Some of his special code in the Matrix was downloaded into his brain in the real world. This is possible, as it happened to Bane, "Smith in the real world", if you will.
Neo now has the code to control the machines, and that's why he could stop the sentinals. But why isn't he all powerful, you ask? Why did he faint? Because part of the code is missing.
Where is this missing code? Simple. Smith. Smith said to him just before the burly brawl (100 Smith vs Neo fight) that (i'm paraphrasing here) "some peice of you was imprinted onto me." Smith carries some of Neo's code, which is why Neo is NOT all powerful and can still be hurt. This is why it seems Neo must fight Smith in Revolutions, to get back his code and save the world.
I think this is the most logical explanation. I'm not buying the "Zion is another Matrix" theory for 1 second, cos it sounds crap.
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we should just wait for the 3rd film
this thread is getting boring
this thread is getting boring
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Re: Why Neo fainted @ the end of Reloaded
Gotta be the best "non Matrix inside a Matrix" theory that I've heard. Explains the specifics of the line "Something's different, I can feel them"
I'm going to wait for Revolutions now though. I think there's only so far you can dig.
Gotta be the best "non Matrix inside a Matrix" theory that I've heard. Explains the specifics of the line "Something's different, I can feel them"
I'm going to wait for Revolutions now though. I think there's only so far you can dig.
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Re: Re: Why Neo fainted @ the end of Reloaded
Bwaf!
Bwaf!